Yaccob tries to defned his children--but fails

[Ramseth]

Even if your parents are US citizens and you are born outside of US, you must register with the US embassy before you can get your US citizenship. If your parents don't register you as one, you will not have US citizenship.

Goh Meng Seng

There's no such requirement. Claiming US citizenship from being born abroad is based on proof of at least one one side US parenthood. There'd be no need to register with embassy at birth, though it'd be easier if you happen to live near an US embassy while abroad. This is not peculiar law to US, all other countries practise this. No every country or territority is so small like Singapore or HK that an embassy is just within reach of a few bus stops or MRT stations.

 

[scroobal]

Spot on. I am surprised that they are surprised by this.

never been a secret, thus there's no hypocrisy. it's just that sinkies are daft, unconnected, living in a frog's well, and ignorant. out here in timbuktu, every time a sinkie dignitary is in town and a function or official makan session is held, invitees also get to see wives and families of said dignitaries ad officials. 9 out of 10 have foreign wives and rojak kids. kind of expect this when almost all of them are gov scholars and they spent much of their youth for their studies overseas. the days of sinkie scholar ministers marrying sinkie wives are long gone. this is the reality since the 80's, 90's, and today. the hypocrisy doesn't lie with these over-rated highly paid chobolans marrying foreign wives and giving them independence of thought and where they want to be long term. the hypocrisy lies with the quadruple standard of law and judicial power applied to ordinary sinkies who live on paycheck to paycheck and are not globally mobile vs foreigners from first world countries vs foreigners from the fourth world and vs sinkie elites who are considered higher mortals. basically application of the constitution and law lies with the discretion, fancy and whim of those in charge.

 

[scroobal]

No an issue at all. Both Mah's and Iswaran wives even if they have given up their Australian citizenship some years ago, they are allowed one time chance of re-applying. PRC has the same condition. For the Philipiines, if you have previously paid taxes you can re-appy for its citizenship if you have given up. India now problem as well as long as you have Indian birth certificate.

k tks...still wonder whether his wife has taken up Sin citizenship?...for that matter wonder whether foreign minister/law minister Shan's indian wife is consideringt taking up Sin citizenship?...

 

[Porfirio Rubirosa]

oh i well aware of the fact that technically it is not an issue bro...to me the issue is somewhat similar to the pt raised by eatshitndie...pap govt is to blame n in this regard they sld not be allowed to hv their cake n eat it...

No an issue at all. Both Mah's and Iswaran wives even if they have given up their Australian citizenship some years ago, they are allowed one time chance of re-applying. PRC has the same condition. For the Philipiines, if you have previously paid taxes you can re-appy for its citizenship if you have given up. India now problem as well as long as you have Indian birth certificate.

 

[PTADER]

It added that Dr Yaacob's family regrets that there are some who consider innocent children to be fair game in political attacks, but trusts that most Singaporeans will continue to cherish the value of respecting a family's privacy.

For all their vaunted claims of possessing the "satellite vision" to see 30-50 years into the future, the Despot and his PAP thugs were not clever enough to forsee the invention of the Internet and how it has empowered the young and each and every computer-literate Singaporean.

What is happening now to Yaacob is no different from what this Despot and his PAP thugs inflicted on the innocent wives and children of his political opponents.

I am glad that the Despot is still alive to see his ability to control Singaporeans through his bullying and fear by using his ISD, IRAS, Judicial Prostitutes in his Kangaroo Courts and Prostitute Press unravelling right before his very eyes.

Ordinary Singaporeans are now inflicting upon this Despot and his PAP thugs that which these PAP thugs have inflicted with impunity, not only on their political opponents, but also on their opponent's innocent wives and children.

Anyone (like Yaacob) who supports the Despot and hence, allow him to remain in power and continue with his abuse, should and must be considered fair game.

 

[scroobal]

Absolutely agree.

As a politician, a public servant, an MP and a cabinet minister, he chose a high profile role in a country and with a party that constantly preaches ethics and good conduct and claims to be whiter than white. Yet the arsehole like Tony Tan can't give straight answers but resorts to demonise those who seek answers.

Anyone (like Yaacob) who supports the Despot and hence, allow him to remain in power and continue with his abuse, should and must be considered fair game.

 

[steffychun]

For all their vaunted claims of possessing the "satellite vision" to see 30-50 years into the future, the Despot and his PAP thugs were not clever enough to forsee the invention of the Internet and how it has empowered the young and each and every computer-literate Singaporean.

What is happening now to Yaacob is no different from what this Despot and his PAP thugs inflicted on the innocent wives and children of his political opponents.

I am glad that the Despot is still alive to see his ability to control Singaporeans through his bullying and fear by using his ISD, IRAS, Judicial Prostitutes in his Kangaroo Courts and Prostitute Press unravelling right before his very eyes.

Ordinary Singaporeans are now inflicting upon this Despot and his PAP thugs that which these PAP thugs have inflicted with impunity, not only on their political opponents, but also on their opponent's innocent wives and children.

Anyone (like Yaacob) who supports the Despot and hence, allow him to remain in power and continue with his abuse, should and must be considered fair game.

Yaccob must be daydreaming or his wife is dumb. Being American, his wife should tell him what public accountability is. Why Clinton, Bush are examined over their private lives...

 

[halsey02]

Yaccob must be daydreaming or his wife is dumb. Being American, his wife should tell him what public accountability is. Why Clinton, Bush are examined over their private lives...

Yacob & his wife & his children, aren't dumb..it is the ordinary folks of the, we, the citizen of SINgapore, are dumb!

 

[Goh Meng Seng]

bad info from gms again. a kid belonging to a u.s. parent can anytime go to a passport office and get a u.s. passport with proof of parent's citizenship. obviously outside of u.s., since the kid needs a travel document to travel, parent applies for one at the nearest u.s. consulate or embassy. there's no time limit like in sg's case of 1 year of birth. all the parent (1 is enough) needs to show is birth certificate to prove kid is his or hers. this gms needs to study up or get good knowledgeable advisors on matters he has no expertise in.

I didn't say there is any time limit or whatever. Read properly. You will still need to register to get your American citizenship, there is no way US will know who you are if you don't register.

The truth is that if you are born in Singapore and naturally, get Singapore citizenship and thus, Singapore passport, why should you need to register with US embassy to get another American passport?

Goh Meng Seng

 

[Goh Meng Seng]

There's no such requirement. Claiming US citizenship from being born abroad is based on proof of at least one one side US parenthood. There'd be no need to register with embassy at birth, though it'd be easier if you happen to live near an US embassy while abroad. This is not peculiar law to US, all other countries practise this. No every country or territority is so small like Singapore or HK that an embassy is just within reach of a few bus stops or MRT stations.

If you are born in the wilderness, nobody knows if you are born by Americans or not! You will need to go to the US embassy and tell them, I am the son of this American, give me that passport dude! If for your whole life, you don't tell them and get another citizenship like Singapore and its passport, nobody cares whether you are American or not!

People tend to get carried away by "birth rights" without knowing the practicality of "getting into the system". You will need to "get into the system" in order to get "recognized" as one of them.

Goh Meng Seng

 

[ZorrorroZ]

You will still need to register to get your American citizenship, there is no way US will know who you are if you don't register.

The truth is that if you are born in Singapore and naturally, get Singapore citizenship and thus, Singapore passport, why should you need to register with US embassy to get another American passport?

Goh Meng Seng

I agree with this statement. If BORN in singapore - natuorally get Singapore Birth cert within few days after birth. Naturally get SIngapore passport. WHY THE NEED TO go to US embassy to get US PASSPORT - IF YOU ARE A PATRIOTIC SINGAPOREAN?

 

[Goh Meng Seng]

GMS, I think you of all people should know ICA policy better. Dual citizenship is allowed for foreign born persons until the age of 21. After which they are forced to renounce either citizenship. The same questions arose for Xiao Yifei when she was awarded president's scholar.

Actually, if that is so, ICA policy is unconstitutional. That's the point.

The Constitution has specifically stated that you will not be entitled to get Singapore citizenship if you acquire the citizenship of the country of birth, even if your parents are Singaporeans.

Of course, I wonder if the ICA would know any Singapore-America baby born in Singapore getting registered at the US Embassy to get their American passport or not. The question I asked is what will ICA do if they found that is to be so?

The clause of taking the oath at 21 years old is just a precaution to make sure you do not have another foreign citizenship at that age and should not be construed as leniency or acceptance of people under 21 to have dual citizenship. This is because if you take the oath of having only Singapore citizenship but you actually have two or more, then you will be liable to be charged as taking fake oath.

But yet, after 21, if you decided to apply for American citizenship without letting ICA know, you will not be liable to be charged on taking fake oath because your oath is taken at 21, not later. Of course, the same thing will apply if later on, you are required to take another oath of allegiance to Singapore, you will be breaching the criminal code again.

Goh Meng Seng

 

[Ramseth]

If you are born in the wilderness, nobody knows if you are born by Americans or not! You will need to go to the US embassy and tell them, I am the son of this American, give me that passport dude! If for your whole life, you don't tell them and get another citizenship like Singapore and its passport, nobody cares whether you are American or not!

People tend to get carried away by "birth rights" without knowing the practicality of "getting into the system". You will need to "get into the system" in order to get "recognized" as one of them.

Goh Meng Seng

Once again, madcow in action. Arguing for arguing's sake. Born in wilderness? Tarzan?

 

[Goh Meng Seng]

Once again, madcow in action. Arguing for arguing's sake. Born in wilderness? Tarzan?

Whether wilderness or Singapore, it still stands, you will need to get into the American system by registering with them. If you don't who knows whether you really are American born? Stay real! You will need to take the steps to get into the system by registering.

Goh Meng Seng

 

[Hans168]

bad info from gms again. a kid belonging to a u.s. parent can anytime go to a passport office and get a u.s. passport with proof of parent's citizenship. obviously outside of u.s., since the kid needs a travel document to travel, parent applies for one at the nearest u.s. consulate or embassy. there's no time limit like in sg's case of 1 year of birth. all the parent (1 is enough) needs to show is birth certificate to prove kid is his or hers. this gms needs to study up or get good knowledgeable advisors on matters he has no expertise in.

U missed my point by a neanthedal mile..........

 

[eatshitndie]

U missed my point by a neanthedal mile..........

as a neantherthal descendent, have low forehead and smaller brain, so hard to comprehend your esteemed cheemness. one neantherthal mile is equivalent to distance between two nipples of the same neantherthal woman.

 

[Nice-Gook]

At this point apart from US citizenship by virtue of one 's parents citizenship for minors below the age of 21; it would be interesting to look at ex Malaysians and Indonesians among us.But first why this magical figure of the age 21?Because the law says so.That one is not yet of legal age to decide his/her citizenship.And by that virtue the door is open to him/her to choose either of the parents citizenship when one becomes a major.In short the law gives this previlage of dual citizenship to MINORS by dault---and it's called minor citizenship.But this is only of importance where a country specifically forbids dual citizenship.In countries where dual citizenship are legal--this is not an issue.

Now,why did I mention Malaysia and Indonesia?Because both these countries forbids dual citizenship.For minors who are below the age of 21 the law is the same as Singapore--that they have a choice between two of their parents citizenship.The chink is ; many who are still 17 and 18 of age whose one of their parents are still Malaysians and the other a Singaporean are required to serve NS in Singapore.Malaysia has protested over this...I am not clear how was this was resolved.But questions arises.Are there Malaysians and Indonesians among us do not serve NS because one of their parent is a Malaysian but on reaching the age of 21 decides to take Singapore citizenship?----the best of both world !!!!!

Which begets the legal question -- which citizenship precedes over the other.In Brunei,for example,the father's citizenship always precedes over mother's.Meaning,if you as a Singaporean marries a Bruneii lass...the law there specifically states that you child is not entitled to Brunei citizenship automatically.In fact,the lady could lose her citizenship and be deported.I do believe Malaysian law is also pretty much the same except that the woman do not lose her citizenship as her birth right....This begets the question whether citizenship in Singapore is a birth right or a privilege.I believe our minister once said that it is not a birth right but a privilege.

Now,I guess the real question Yaccob should answer is as a minister why is his wife is still a foreigner?....this is critical.Because the question of official secret act kicks in.Which begets the question why does PAP find fits to have in its cabinet ministers or senior civil servants whose wives and children are foreigners?--The PM should answer this.

 

[eatshitndie]

I didn't say there is any time limit or whatever. Read properly. You will still need to register to get your American citizenship, there is no way US will know who you are if you don't register.

The truth is that if you are born in Singapore and naturally, get Singapore citizenship and thus, Singapore passport, why should you need to register with US embassy to get another American passport?

Goh Meng Seng

we're talking about one or both u.s. parents in this context having the kid born in sg. sg, unlike the u.s., does not have automatic citizenship for kids born in sg. for americans, why should they register their kids as sg citizens when they are automatic u.s. citizens? even if they don't register with n-600 or fs-240, they do not lose their u.s. citizenship. they are under no obligation to file n-600 or fs-240. not possessing either of these documents does not in any way affect the kid's citizenship status. having possession of a u.s. passport for the kid however is useful and necessary because the kid will need to travel with the parents anytime either back to u.s. for residency or personal reasons or another country for business or pleasure. the u.s. passport can also take the place of a citizenship certificate in proving u.s. citizenship status.

 

[Goh Meng Seng]

Some interpreted the Constitution in such a way that says it is ok for Singaporeans (who are born overseas) to hold dual citizenship if he or she is below the age of 21. This is far from the truth. The requirement of these Singaporeans to take the Oath at 21 is just to make sure that they do not hold foreign Citizenship, but does not mean the Constitution allows them to hold multiple Citizenship while they are below 21 years old.

As explained, nobody will know whether if you hold multiple citizenships unless you declare. Taking the Oath will make it official that you declare you don't have multiple citizenship; if you have other foreign citizenship while you take the oath, you are actually making false declaration under oath which is a chargeable offence. This is the formality but it doesn't mean that the Constitution actually allows you to hold dual or multiple citizenship prior to 21 years old.

You could actually acquire another foreign citizenship which doesn't require you to renounce your Singapore citizenship later in your life, after 21 years old, as long as you are not required to take an Oath to declare that you don't have other foreign citizenship which will make you committing a crime of false declaration. But that doesn't mean that the Singapore Constitution allows that nor Singapore recognize dual citizenship. If you are found out to hold dual citizenship, you will risk your Singapore citizenship being revoked.

Goh Meng Seng

 

[Goh Meng Seng]

we're talking about one or both u.s. parents in this context having the kid born in sg. sg, unlike the u.s., does not have automatic citizenship for kids born in sg. for americans, why should they register their kids as sg citizens when they are automatic u.s. citizens? even if they don't register with n-600 or fs-240, they do not lose their u.s. citizenship. they are under no obligation to file n-600 or fs-240. not possessing either of these documents does not in any way affect the kid's citizenship status. having possession of a u.s. passport for the kid however is useful and necessary because the kid will need to travel with the parents anytime either back to u.s. for residency or personal reasons or another country for business or pleasure. the u.s. passport can also take the place of a citizenship certificate in proving u.s. citizenship status.

You are talking about "entitlement" to US citizenship by descend but that doesn't change the fact that if you don't declare or register that with US embassy, you will not be considered as US citizenship.

The Singapore Constitution is pretty straight forward, you will not be eligible for Singapore citizenship if you acquire the citizenship of the country (foreign) of birth.

Goh Meng Seng