Rabid anti-SDP sentiment in SBF

[Ramseth]

We have to put the insurance issue into perspective. TKL ran NTUC Income on the ideals founded by GKS, i.e. insurance for the lower income group who're not prospecting targets for commerical agents interested in bigger policies and bigger premiums. If you check out the premium rates and bonus returns from the 1997 to 2007, no other company can beat NTUC Income under TKL. It wasn't a monopoly to army camps or civil service departments, all other insurance companies can arrange talks there too, but they wouldn't, because no point wasting marketing resources fight such cheaper policies. They'd rather charge higher premiums and payout lower bonuses in order to pay agents much higher commissions in open market where policy buyers lack thorough figures to compare. It's allowed too, since the government must allow commercial insurance companies and agents to remain profitable, part and parcel of running an economy. NTUC Income role as a co-operative was to prevent higher commercial premiums from getting too high. TKL was unceremoniously booted out since the government apparently doesn't believe in that anymore. Free market, any price goes, You pay, your business. You overpay, business. You die, your business.

Please don't give the impression that he resigned or retired or that his views were contrary to that of the Govt while he was in NTUC. He only resigned from PAP after being kicked out from NTUC and after a while. TKL did not resign he was booted out. He never ever made any comments expect constantly ask Teo and Goh why he is not an MP.

He got booted out because he could not grow the market outside the govt protected turf. It was the same with DBS.

He wasn't made an MP because of LKY disliking him, not GCT. You're right and in fact agreed with me. He adamantly refused to over-commercialise NTUC premium rates and thereby commission scales to expand the sales turfs, more than half the agents revolted, that's why he was booted out, technically by LSS whom he had heated arguments over with. There's no absolute right or wrong here, just facts versus opinions. Why wouldn't he take the easy way by agreeing to pursue full commercialisation instead of co-operative business principles? Who benefits and who loses?

You're criticising him for exactly the opposite things you're criticising PAP about - profits and profits without care for people in the markets. When he abided by the principles, you damn him for failing to grow the markets.

 

[Goh Meng Seng]

He still trying to figure who I am. First by sending PMs, asking to bury the hatchet, think that I was someone from SPH etc. He thinks that I am a low life.

He is still around using other nicks.

I would think that you are someone who have worked in PMO before!

Goh Meng Seng

 

[cass888]

I would think that you are someone who have worked in PMO before!

Goh Meng Seng

Better than someone who wants to be an MP only to earn the $13k a month salary to supplement his failed computer shop business.

 

[Ilovelamb]

Better than someone who wants to be an MP only to earn the $13k a month salary to supplement his failed computer shop business.

 

[scroobal]

"I am neutral and not bias" - just kidding.

What cooperative business principles? NTUC was created as a political vehicle from the very start. It was never there to help the man in the street. 35% of MPs over 52 years came from NTUC. TKL never made it. Do you know what his last drawn salary plus bonus? Why don't you ask him. You are giving the impression that he was drawing a low salary and not the commercial rate by choice. Better still ask him to publish his last drawn salary in his website since you think that he was fighting for co-operative principles.

Old man is used by practically everyone within PAP to blame things on. If I don't like someone or I find someone who is unsuitable but I do not want to offend him, I will just say that "old man does not like you". I have met so many OMS over 20 years that tell me that they failed the tea party because old man did not like them. Not one of them said it was because of someone else.

GCT was 14 years in power and he made the decision on many candidates. Tan Cheng Bock was not endorsed by old man because he thought that he was too much a socialist because of his Ama Keng days. GCT nevertheless appointed him. Looks like TKL has no clue what transpired.

Imagine you breaking bread with TKL who was a PAP cadre for 3 decades but not with Chee. Don't you think something is wrong.

As I said before if TKL was an MP, both of us would not be having this conversation and neither would you be meeting him for dinner. He would not even turn up for the mini bond saga.

He wasn't made an MP because of LKY disliking him, not GCT. You're right and in fact agreed with me. He adamantly refused to over-commercialise NTUC premium rates and thereby commission scales to expand the sales turfs, more than half the agents revolted, that's why he was booted out, technically by LSS whom he had heated arguments over with. There's no absolute right or wrong here, just facts versus opinions. Why wouldn't he take the easy way by agreeing to pursue full commercialisation instead of co-operative business principles? Who benefits and who loses?

You're criticising him for exactly the opposite things you're criticising PAP about - profits and profits without care for people in the markets. When he abided by the principles, you damn him for failing to grow the markets.

 

[Ramseth]

As I said before if TKL was an MP, both of us would not be having this conversation and neither would you be meeting him for dinner. He would not even turn up for the mini bond saga.

That I agree with you. If he was given the berth, things would turn out differently. I'm not an idolist, you know. I'm a realist as circumstances evolve.

 

[eatshitndie]

That I agree with you. If he was given the berth, things would turn out differently. I'm not an idolist, you know. I'm a realist as circumstances evolve.

in that context, it's "idealist", not "idolist".

 

[Ramseth]

in that context, it's "idealist", not "idolist".

I mean idolist, not idealist, in context of Scroobal implying I'll somehow or anyhow support TKL.

 

[Perspective]

Yes, QXP put off many people by his comments and he was indeed a supporter of SDP. Ptader was articulate and ruthless. He was so feared that many people shut up especially those who identities were known.

Even now Ptader is feared. I remembered when he made a rare appearence, here recently using that moniker both Locke and Perspective rushed to welcome him. Both being WP supporters and had been hurt by his barbs and did not want to get on his offside. But the F4 adored him as he was the best weapon. Without him, no sign of them.

He still trying to figure who I am. First by sending PMs, asking to bury the hatchet, think that I was someone from SPH etc. He thinks that I am a low life.

He is still around using other nicks.

I called you dishonest because you distorted my words, not because I supported LTK. You have also marked "well said" to one of my criticisms on WP being too careful and having got too close for comfort to the SDP after meeting up with them in real life. Right now you can't figure out my latest criticisms on SDP and can't find anything I praised WP about, so you struggle and use sarcasm to conceal the struggle.

I'm simple to figure. I'm without agenda, not a supporter or member of any opposition, which is why I criticize what I see as bad and endorse what I see as good, and change my mind when there are new developments and substantiate it.

It was clear that Ptader changed attitude and I reciprocate in kind. You never hear words from him that was said the last time. Even OTC took a more decent approach and I would hesitate to go too hard on him. You on the other hand are becoming more distortive, throwing caution to the "facts" when you utter them. Unless there is a different Scroobal everytime, let me know. Despite after what happened when I see a good thing you write I endorse.

 

[eatshitndie]

I mean idolist, not idealist, in context of Scroobal implying I'll somehow or anyhow support TKL.

do you mean there's idol-worship involved?

 

[Thick Face Black Heart]

That I agree with you. If he was given the berth, things would turn out differently. I'm not an idolist, you know. I'm a realist as circumstances evolve.

I guess for you, many things are just aspirations.

 

[Ramseth]

do you mean there's idol-worship involved?

I do think there's a difference between idolists (supporters of pop artistes, politicians etc.) and idol worshippers (religious or superstitious worshippers of crafted statues that be of any shape of anything living or dead or imagined.

 

[Thick Face Black Heart]

I would think that you are someone who have worked in PMO before!

Goh Meng Seng

Are you smoking pot?

If Scroobal had been working in PMO before do you think he can post for years under the same nick and not be tracked down?

Your sarcasm is getting a bit stale. Too many UFO stories?

 

[eatshitndie]

I do think there's a difference between idolists (supporters of pop artistes, politicians etc.) and idol worshippers (religious or superstitious worshippers of crafted statues that be of any shape of anything living or dead or imagined.

subtle, but both have the same need... to fill a void (and deficiency) in themselves with an aura of fame that exists in someone else.

 

[Perspective]

You have gotten personal with Reform Party too.

Similar to my message to cleareyes, if you don't like KJ, just whack him, but leave his party out of it.

I can't get personal with an organisation. I don't think I was personal with KJ either. Even if I was, people would associate KJ with RP and assume that I was getting personal with RP. How else do you describe someone who threatens legal action against those who organise anything for JBJ without him involved, say that you are hoodwinking the people when you ponder the pros and cons of NCMP but refuses to take a stand on whether RP will take up NCMP, and tells you to get off your butt and not sit on your ass to make RP better when you praise RP?

 

[eatshitndie]

Are you smoking pot?

If Scroobal had been working in PMO before do you think he can post for years under the same nick and not be tracked down?

Your sarcasm is getting a bit stale. Too many UFO stories?

he meant private message orbituary (pmo).

 

[Ramseth]

I guess for you, many things are just aspirations.

Aspirations are for exhalted people like LKY to say. I'm just a humble peasant believing in Maynard Keynes: "In the long run, we're all dead" and therefore in the meantime, make the best of it while we're alive.

 

[Thick Face Black Heart]

Aspirations are for exhalted people like LKY to say. I'm just a humble peasant believing in Maynard Keynes: "In the long run, we're all dead" and therefore in the meantime, make the best of it while we're alive.

Well said, Ram. I agree with Keynes too.

 

[Thick Face Black Heart]

he meant private message orbituary (pmo).

Or maybe GMS was reminiscing of his Personal Macau Odyssey (PMO).

 

[GoldenDragon]

Are you smoking pot?

If Scroobal had been working in PMO before do you think he can post for years under the same nick and not be tracked down?

Your sarcasm is getting a bit stale. Too many UFO stories?

I suspect GMS has yet to PCC for the day so his thoughts get distorted. A good quick release is urgently needed.