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Complaint to Leongsam -- abuse of infraction power by Alamaking

streetsmart73

Alfrescian (InfP)
Generous Asset
And people had been complaining about the dearth of female forumners here in sammyboy. It's rainning cunts! Hell hath no fury as a woman scorned especially one with low self esteem. Man look for pointers to improve himself, a cunt look for points to....................................


hi there


1. bro, 5 thumbs up!
2. so far, the bester script in this thread man.
 

Perspective

Alfrescian
Loyal
Walt did the bidding of the Delphi plus members who paid for membership. He did a job but he didn't do an honest job. He made business decisions.


Tell me who the "stable, reliable and honest' members are and I'll appoint them to run the whole forum.

To a certain extent it is true what you said about Delphi, but Kojak once had his paid account suspended as well. Also, many who complaint were not paid members and in fact the trouble started by the paid members was not through their paid accounts but their clones which was also dealt with by Walt. I believe Walt helped manage a substantial number of the 200-over Joseph Ong nicks otherwise you won't have enough members for this forum today as they would have scattered.

As for forum moderators you have Windsor, singveld, jw5 and Equalisation. I don't know the fourth that well but the other 3 will do a good job. If I suggest others they may not want or have the time.

But that's not my point though thanks for asking. My only suggestion to you is to abolish the points and infraction system.
 
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Leongsam

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Admin
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moderator windsor has infracted many forummers for lesser reasons. i assume you are unaware of this?

you can defend scroobal, i'm fine with that, but don't claim the moral high ground if you are not going to defend other forummers from this "unfairness" in the future.

I don't mind infractions. They serve their purpose as a formal notification of disapproval. What I don't like is multiple infractions from one member for the sole purpose of banning another for 24 hours.

I guess I could re program the script so that it takes more than 10 infraction points to evoke a ban but I guess is all that would do is create more multiple infractions. There is no perfect answer to this issue.
 

Perspective

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Loyal
I don't mind infractions. They serve their purpose as a formal notification of disapproval. What I don't like is multiple infractions from one member for the sole purpose of banning another for 24 hours.

I guess I could re program the script so that it takes more than 10 infraction points to evoke a ban but I guess is all that would do is create more multiple infractions. There is no perfect answer to this issue.

Infractions are like giving two gangs guns - it just results in gangfights. Having moderators is like setting up a government. Although governments will never be perfect, they have a minimal job to do.

Since you already have a moderated forum, abolish the infraction system would be ideal. Otherwise the "original" forum is more like a "moderated" forum too.
 
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Leongsam

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As for forum moderators you have Windsor, singveld, jw5 and Equalisation.

Windsor is the most enthusiastic of all but he hasn't grasped the concept of "I don't agree with what you say but I defend to the death your right to say it".
 

Leongsam

High Order Twit / Low SES subject
Admin
Asset
Infractions are like giving two gangs guns - it just results in gangfights. Having moderators is like setting up a government. Although governments will never be perfect, they have a minimal job to do.

Only 8 members have infraction powers. It's not as if I'm arming half of Harlem.
 

Perspective

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Windsor is the most enthusiastic of all but he hasn't grasped the concept of "I don't agree with what you say but I defend to the death your right to say it".

If you ask me I would suggest Scro (because despite what he is, he fights with language and smart wordsmith tactics but not abuse of powers, as previously seen) and TFBH because he would be the kind who can agree to disagree. But as I said they may not be willing.
 

kingrant

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Suggest you ignore the faggot. That guy has been sucking up to Alamaking, ram and those with high reputation points so as to earn their goodwill and get some trickle down drivel for his points. We all know that those with high points here so far dont generally add much value to the forum but got it from points given by their balls suckers who hope to get back some in return. This prick cant carry on a sensible argument or post anything that sticks his neck out and gave good arguments for it. He comes on just to give short sweet nothings to mollify or coax his beholdens.

Notice he cant even count. Alamaking has got 1.3K points but in one of his posts here he says he got 13K. Now I also wonder what his PSLE score was.

You have a real serious problem with logical reasoning. First you deny suggesting that a person with high rep points should carry more weight.

The next moment, you are telling me that Alamaking should not be trifled with because he is akin to a "gentle giant".

Are you therefore suggesting that if someone has only 10 rep points as opposed to 1330 pts, I am free to abuse, defame, and tear him to bits as I please, because I know no matter what he is unable to retaliate?

is that the level of cowardice you are condoning?
 

Perspective

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Only 8 members have infraction powers. It's not as if I'm arming half of Harlem.

Then definitely there has to be something not right when one of the 8 chaps causes another to be banned at all. Alternatively, prevent all from giving multiple infractions.
 

kingrant

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I also cant help but note that Perspective, JXL e.g. the very people Scroobal supposedly antagonized, came out to say that banning him was not necessary; yet racist scums like that Jah whom Scroobal ignores has come on even more strongly than those affected to celebrate the ban and jeer on. What a principleless faggot!

Talk about spite and woman's scorn. This prick takes the cake.
 
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OverTheCounter

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Generous Asset
In the end, Walt was the one doing the job. The saviour came not as Leong or Scro, but in the form of the doctor himself with Wayang Party and Temasek Review as his new brainchildren, so the rubbish went over. Not that I cared because that at least saved the forum. But Leong blaming Walt was odd.

Then we had Bob who went on about SDP even until today after CTL, EJ and Lamei were long "dead and buried" where this forum was concern. The Orochi Army wanted to tackle using infracts, but created more mess by fighting mess with mess. In the end it was Scro who used his mod powers.


Perspective,

Your version of history is by no means 100% accurate.

But nonetheless, it is still more accurate than the blatant, shameless lies spun by Scroobal to put down those people he dislikes. The most insidious act of Scroobal is to turn victims into villians and then blame them for the death of the old forum.

In that regard, I applaud you for speaking up even in the face of such personal harassment and giving your account of history. Like you I am also amazed SamLeong and Scroobal blame Walt Howe, even when they should have known people like Andrew Loh, Choo Zheng Xi, Melvin Tan, CTL, Goh Meng Seng, Lockeliberal, EJ, Jacys, and so many others on BOTH SIDES of the political aisle were being abused on a daily basis.

Its good to know some people here still remember things did not happen the way Scroobal insist they did.
 

Leongsam

High Order Twit / Low SES subject
Admin
Asset
Then definitely there has to be something not right when one of the 8 chaps causes another to be banned at all. Alternatively, prevent all from giving multiple infractions.

Yes the ban should not have happened. It's a result of someone who is armed with infraction powers using those powers to settle personal scores.

In the real world, it's like an armed detective who is supposed to use his weapon only in the course of his duties taking out his gun and shooting someone he's having a personal argument with.

I've said this before... the best moderators are the ones who don't post a single message...ever!
 

Perspective

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Loyal
Perspective,

Your version of history is by no means 100% accurate.

But nonetheless, it is still more accurate than the blatant, shameless lies spun by Scroobal to put down those people he dislikes. The most insidious act of Scroobal is to turn victims into villians and then blame them for the death of the old forum.

In that regard, I applaud you for speaking up even in the face of such personal harassment and giving your account of history. Like you I am also amazed SamLeong and Scroobal blame Walt Howe, even when they should have known people like Andrew Loh, Choo Zheng Xi, Melvin Tan, CTL, Goh Meng Seng, Lockeliberal, EJ, Jacys, and so many others on BOTH SIDES of the political aisle were being abused on a daily basis.

Its good to know some people here still remember things did not happen the way Scroobal insist they did.

Sure. Kindly correct the areas where I was wrong. Areas that I am unsure, I try not to put it to sound like the truth like how the narcissist Scro does it.
 

Perspective

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Yes the ban should not have happened. It's a result of someone who is armed with infraction powers using those powers to settle personal scores.

In the real world, it's like an armed detective who is supposed to use his weapon only in the course of his duties taking out his gun and shooting someone he's having a personal argument with.

Ahem. So what are you waiting for?
 

Leongsam

High Order Twit / Low SES subject
Admin
Asset
In that regard, I applaud you for speaking up even in the face of such personal harassment and giving your account of history. Like you I am also amazed SamLeong and Scroobal blame Walt Howe,

I'm not blaming Walt Howe for causing any of the problems. Walt Howe did his job of trying to enforce the Delphi TOC which is what he was paid to do. At the same time, he had a business to protect. If I had paying members in this forum, I'd have a hard time making impartial decisions too. That's why I keep the forum non commercial.

Ultimately, the Delphi TOC did not gel with my philosophies so I decided that me and Delphi should go our separate ways after almost a decade.
 

Thick Face Black Heart

Alfrescian (InfP)
Generous Asset
Suggest you ignore the faggot. That guy has been sucking up to Alamaking, ram and those with high reputation points so as to earn their goodwill and get some trickle down drivel for his points. We all know that those with high points here so far dont generally add much value to the forum but got it from points given by their balls suckers who hope to get back some in return. This prick cant carry on a sensible argument or post anything that sticks his neck out and gave good arguments for it. He comes on just to give short sweet nothings to mollify or coax his beholdens.

Notice he cant even count. Alamaking has got 1.3K points but in one of his posts here he says he got 13K. Now I also wonder what his PSLE score was.


Rep pts can only be given once per year to a particular forummer, so even if Jah sucks up to both vending machines, he still can get at most 40 rep points per year.

As I said, Jah bows to power and thinks anyone would be stupid not to do the same. When i point out this trait, he accuses me of dishonesty, twisting his words, and fraudulently claiming that I am accusing him of endorsing the bullying of forummers with low points.

Its a comprehension problem.
 

jw5

Moderator
Moderator
Loyal
My 2 cents worth.

Perspective should not have used the term "dishonest". He should clarify that because imho, it's not warranted. That was what got Scroobal very upset with him.

Scroobal in 2 of his last posts before he was banned described Alamaking as having no achievements and Perspective as being uneducated.
These 2 chaps are decent forummers who are not troublemakers in the forum. Their achievements or education are irrelevant and frankly, none of our concern.

Ramseth is now laughing at all of us.

Btw, a special welcome back to Cooleo.
 
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