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Those still debating whether SAF can be called in if PAP loses power...

CPT (NS) BRANDON

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Re: The Myths about activating the SAF once PAP got the boot in GE 2016 ...

Winning a Civil War in Singapore is only a matter of showing a few videos
of actual beheading of these Elites and their cronies, you win the War faster
if it involves LKY and familees dun talk MPs, Minions or cronies with LKY in such a situation, he will betray them first to save himself..

So you think that Singaporeans will resort to terrorism to overthrow LKY?

With video-taped beheadings, jihadist style?

I think that is a little unrealistic, don't you?

And moreover, even if it could happen, I would have moral misgivings about supporting any movement that resorts to video-taped beheadings to prove its point. Even the PAP doesn't do that. If people want to overthrow the PAP, and have enough numbers to do so, I say fair play to them. If it is the will of the people, that's good enough. But I don't think beheading people and video-taping it is setting the right example for the masses.
 

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Re: The Myths about activating the SAF once PAP got the boot in GE 2016 ...

If people want to overthrow the PAP, and have enough numbers to do so, I say fair play to them. If it is the will of the people, that's good enough. But I don't think beheading people and video-taping it is setting the right example for the masses.

Why would anyone want to overthrow the PAP considering the fact that they're actually doing an excellent job despite the hiccups once in a while?
 

Narong Wongwan

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Re: The Myths about activating the SAF once PAP got the boot in GE 2016 ...

Those 'once in a while hiccups' are turning into uncontrollable fits liao....machiam epileptic seizures.
 

The_Hypocrite

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Re: The Myths about activating the SAF once PAP got the boot in GE 2016 ...

U said it right,,I guess Ah Sam is living in his fantasy land,,,oh yes he is living in NZ,,,I wonder y Sam no longer in singapore but keep singing praises to the PAP....

Those 'once in a while hiccups' are turning into uncontrollable fits liao....machiam epileptic seizures.
 

winnipegjets

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Re: The Myths about activating the SAF once PAP got the boot in GE 2016 ...

Why would anyone want to overthrow the PAP considering the fact that they're actually doing an excellent job despite the hiccups once in a while?

Sam heads the PAP's Republican Guards that is based in New Zealand. At a whim, he will lead his troops back to defend the PAP regime.
 

winnipegjets

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Re: The Myths about activating the SAF once PAP got the boot in GE 2016 ...

So you think that Singaporeans will resort to terrorism to overthrow LKY?

With video-taped beheadings, jihadist style?

I think that is a little unrealistic, don't you?

And moreover, even if it could happen, I would have moral misgivings about supporting any movement that resorts to video-taped beheadings to prove its point. Even the PAP doesn't do that. If people want to overthrow the PAP, and have enough numbers to do so, I say fair play to them. If it is the will of the people, that's good enough. But I don't think beheading people and video-taping it is setting the right example for the masses.

It depends how the PAP plays its cards. If it is ruthless like Putin, what do you expect sinkees to do?
 

Leongsam

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Re: The Myths about activating the SAF once PAP got the boot in GE 2016 ...

Those 'once in a while hiccups' are turning into uncontrollable fits liao....machiam epileptic seizures.

If that was indeed the case, Singapore wouldn't be one of the richest nations on earth.

No matter how the opposition tries to spin their lies, it cannot alter the fact that when you look at the actual data, everything points to a country that is extremely successful in what it does.

Whenever I mention how well Singapore is doing, the same old tired defense of the large GINI coefficient will invariably pop up. However, this is hardly unique to Singapore. The income gap is getting wider the world over. This is because it is much easier for winners to make lots of money nowadays thanks to the interconnected world we live in.

In the good old days, it took a whole generation to build a billion dollar company. Today it can be achieved in less than 3 years thanks to the global reach of the WWW and the ease with which money can be moved around the world.

The way to reduce the income gap is not by legislation but by encouraging the poor to work smarter rather than making them even lazier by giving them handouts.
 

Narong Wongwan

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Re: The Myths about activating the SAF once PAP got the boot in GE 2016 ...

The way to reduce the income gap is not by legislation but by encouraging the poor to work smarter rather than making them even lazier by giving them handouts.
Singapore got handouts for the poor and needy meh?
 

winnipegjets

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There are different sides to every issue, so try to see both sides before condemning people. Sometimes, things are just fucked up, but it doesn't mean that you shouldn't do your best. As a corporal I think you could have done your best despite all the shit that went on around you. I'm not criticising you, just trying to offer a balanced view.

The main point is that they system and the people at the helm are beyond redemption. Systemic problems can't be resolved by individuals. Only a complete overhaul will do.
 

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Wealth gap a growing problem worldwide
By Brian Gaynor
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Inequality is also regional and there is a widening gap between the generations


Youth unemployment, now 55.9% in Spain, has become a problem due to the demise of traditional low-skill industries and older workers being reluctant to retire. Photo / AP
Inequality is becoming a bigger and bigger concern throughout the world. The issue includes income and wealth inequality, which incorporates the gap between residential property owners and would-be first-home buyers.


The subject also includes regional inequality and the widening gap between the younger and older generations.


Inequality may be less of a problem in New Zealand than in other countries, but rising house prices are creating a big difference between those who own a home and those who do not.


The main problem with Europe has been its inability to adapt to a changing world, particularly the huge increase in imports of low-cost Asian manufactured goods which has taken a heavy toll on the region's traditional industries.


The northeast region of England, which was the country's industrial belt, is a good example of this.


The area has been particularly hard hit, and has an unemployment rate of 9.9 per cent compared with the national average of 7.8 per cent.




Middlesbrough, the original powerhouse of the UK steel industry, has 14.4 per cent unemployment and about 30 per cent of under-25s without jobs.


The city once dominated the world's steel industry and one of its companies, Dorman Long & Co, won the tender for the Sydney Harbour Bridge in the 1920s.


About 80 per cent of the steel used to build the bridge came from the UK, mainly Middlesbrough. The rest came from Australia.


Dorman Long is now based in Northamptonshire and has become a construction consultant and a designer and manufacturer of heavy lifting equipment.


The steel industry is now virtually extinct as are many of the other traditional industries in the north of England.


The Yorkshire and Humber region has an 8.9 per cent unemployment rate and only 44 per cent of households in this area have total wealth in excess of £250,000 ($488,600). The figure for the northeast region is 40 per cent, and the national average is 49 per cent.


But 72 per cent of households in the southeast region have total wealth of more than £250,000.


Wealth and ticket prices were an issue at the recent cricket test between England and New Zealand at Headingley in Yorkshire.


Locals complained that a minimum adult ticket price of £40 ($78) a day was far too high for the low-income region.


As a consequence, only 9,000 people attended the test on a sunny Saturday afternoon when traditionally the crowd would have been close to the ground's 16,000 capacity.


Yorkshire cricket fans are worried that all future tests will be allocated to the south of England because many northerners cannot afford to pay £40 a day.


The good news for the north of England is that Asia has not developed an internationally competitive food industry and the rural sector is in a better shape than the old industrial cities.


Quality food production is now a preferred industry for developed economies.


This is good news for New Zealand, particularly as we don't have any substantial large-scale sunset industries, such as steel.


Another major issue in Europe is the high youth - under 25 - unemployment rate.


Youth unemployment is now 59.1 per cent in Greece, 55.9 per cent in Spain, 38.4 per cent in Italy, 38.3 per cent in Portugal and 30.3 per cent in Ireland.


These figures tend to overstate the problem because individuals at universities and other educational institutions are not included in the total workforce figures and, as a consequence, the total youth workforce is small.


But youth unemployment has become a permanent problem because of the demise of the traditional low-skill industries and older workers - particularly those with white-collar jobs - being reluctant to retire.


One of the solutions to youth unemployment is to encourage young people to start their own businesses, to try to recreate the entrepreneurial environment that nurtured the great industries of England and Europe in the 18th and 19th centuries.


But where will the funding for these businesses come from?


The problem in Europe is that the banks dominate the financial sector and they are becoming more and more cautious, partially because of new regulations.


They prefer to finance the purchase of existing residential property rather than start-up businesses. This is one of the main reasons property prices are rising again throughout most of the developed world.


A similar trend has developed in New Zealand, where the banks are committing an ever-increasing percentage of their lending to residential property.


New business start-ups have to rely on a wide range of cash sources, including family and friends, wealthy individuals, government grants, venture capitalists, stock exchange IPOs and crowdfunding.


Bradford in the north of England encourages new businesses by giving rate rebates when companies move into the city or take on more staff.


As a result, a revitalised Bradford has a higher proportion of new start-ups and self-employed than most other UK cities.


Crowdfunding has also become increasingly popular in recent years.


It is a collective way to raise money, usually through the internet, for a variety of causes including political campaigns, making movies, disaster relief, scientific research, medical aid, charity projects and start-up companies.


Crowdfunding for start-up companies comes in two main forms:


• Debt-based crowdfunding enables investors to lend money to companies at high interest rates. Small British companies are willing to pay up to 13 per cent or more a year for these loans because banks are unwilling to provide money unless the owners offer their homes as security.


• Equity-based crowdfunding enables investors to become shareholders in a company for a small investment.


The UK Crowdfunding Association describes the activity thus: "Crowdfunding is a way of raising finance by asking a large number of people each for a small amount of money. Until recently, financing a business, project or venture involved asking a few people for large sums of money. Crowdfunding switches this idea around, using the internet to talk to thousands - if not millions - of potential funders."


One of the best known crowdfunding websites is www.kickstarter.com in the United States.


The site claims that "more than 4.2 million people have pledged over US$647 million ($812 million), funding more than 42,000 creative projects" since 2009.


Crowdfunding will not replace family and friends, wealthy individuals, stock exchanges or venture capitalists as the main source of new equity but it is becoming increasingly important for start-ups.


The widely-held view in England and Europe is that a substantial increase in business start-ups is needed to help kick-start economic growth and reduce youth unemployment and inequalities between households and between regions.


But this is easier said than done because the banks are the main source of finance in Europe (and New Zealand) and they are much more interested in funding middle-aged, high-income earners into a £1 million home in the southeast of the UK than start-ups in Middlesbrough or Leeds.


The same is true in New Zealand as our banks would prefer to finance a $1 million house purchase in Remuera than new businesses in Greymouth, Ashburton or Invercargill.


This approach exacerbates the divide between regions. It also reinforces the gap between the young, who are unemployed or on low incomes, and the high-earning older generation who are established on the property ladder.


It demonstrates why venture capitalism, crowdfunding, stock exchanges and risk-taking by wealthy individuals have become more and more important since the devastation of the world's non-banking financial sector.


It also shows why the recent upturn in sharemarket activity, particularly IPOs, is extremely important to a widespread and sustainable economic recovery.




• Brian Gaynor is an executive director of Milford Asset Management
 

Leongsam

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Re: The Myths about activating the SAF once PAP got the boot in GE 2016 ...

Singapore got handouts for the poor and needy meh?

Yes and in my opinion, too much assistance is being provided. It should be scaled back considerably so the poor are forced to stand on their own two feet.

Go through the long list of assistance schemes the government provides and you'll realise that all it does is turn the poor into freeloaders.
 

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winnipegjets

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Re: The Myths about activating the SAF once PAP got the boot in GE 2016 ...

Yes and in my opinion, too much assistance is being provided. It should be scaled back considerably so the poor are forced to stand on their own two feet.

Have you tried surviving on $300 in the 6th most expensive city in the world?
 

Leongsam

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Re: The Myths about activating the SAF once PAP got the boot in GE 2016 ...

Have you tried surviving on $300 in the 6th most expensive city in the world?

What would be an appropriate figure? Here's what the poor currently get :

Public Assistance (PA) Scheme / CDCsPA assists those who are unable to work owing to old age, illness or disability and have no means of subsistence and little or no family support.


  • Cash Grants - Monthly cash grants to help with basic living expenses.
  • Medical Assistance - Free treatment at polyclinics and government/ restructured hospitals.
  • Education Assistance - Education assistance for your children to help with schooling expenses.
  • A single elderly recipient living alone gets $400/month.
  • 4-person household will receive up to $1,050/month
  • PA families with children will receive additional assistance of up to $150 per child per month. Hence a household of 4 comprising 2 adults and 2 children may receive a monthly allowance of up to $1,350 per month

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Leongsam

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Assistance for families starting out :

Home Ownership Plus Education (HOPE) Fund / CDCsHOPE is an incentive scheme to help low-income families keep their family small, so that resources can be focused on the children to help them break out of the poverty cycle.

  • Educational bursaries for the children from pre-school up to university-level education. Educational bursaries for pre-schoolers whose mothers work have been increased from $250 to $2,000 to encourage mothers to work.
  • A housing grant of $50,000 to help the family pay for the home mortgage. The grant will be disbursed in annual instalments into the mother's CPF account.
  • A training grant of up to $10,000 per family to enable the parents to attend skills training. This grant will be divided equally between the parents in order to encourage the mother to acquire new skills and enhance her employability.
  • A one-off utilities grant of $1,000 to help the family offset utilities bills upon joining the scheme.
  • Mentoring and family support from a social service agency to guide and follow-up on the family, and link them to other community resources if required.
  • Cash incentives of $6,000 - $10,000 to help the couple with family

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winnipegjets

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Re: The Myths about activating the SAF once PAP got the boot in GE 2016 ...

What would be an appropriate figure? Here's what the poor currently get :

Public Assistance (PA) Scheme / CDCs
  • PA assists those who are unable to work owing to old age, illness or disability and have no means of subsistence and little or no family support.
  • Cash Grants - Monthly cash grants to help with basic living expenses.
  • Medical Assistance - Free treatment at polyclinics and government/ restructured hospitals.
  • Education Assistance - Education assistance for your children to help with schooling expenses.
  • A single elderly recipient living alone gets $400/month.
  • 4-person household will receive up to $1,050/month
  • PA families with children will receive additional assistance of up to $150 per child per month. Hence a household of 4 comprising 2 adults and 2 children may receive a monthly allowance of up to $1,350 per month

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The government is very kiamsiap ...this table is for show only ...few qualifies for the full amount. Amount is decided on a case-by-case basis.

Look at the number of old folks living off garbage. If this assistance is true, then those situations won't happen.

Look at the number of poor families ...you tell me why are they not getting those assistance?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-16920951
 

Leongsam

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Re: The Myths about activating the SAF once PAP got the boot in GE 2016 ...

The government is very kiamsiap ...this table is for show only ...few qualifies for the full amount. Amount is decided on a case-by-case basis.

Look at the number of old folks living off garbage. If this assistance is true, then those situations won't happen.

Look at the number of poor families ...you tell me why are they not getting those assistance?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-16920951

That is exactly how it should be. If you don't keep a tight reign on the amount doled out, the freeloaders will jump on the bandwagon in droves.

I admire the Singapore government for the way it controls welfare spending. If the bankrupt Western nations had done the same, they wouldn't be in the situation they're in now.

Look at what happens in NZ when proper controls are not put in place.

http://www.police.govt.nz/news/release/34785.html

[h=2]Two arrests follow joint welfare fraud investigation[/h]April 11, 2013, 4:42 pm
Two people have been arrested following a joint operation between Counties Manukau Police and the Ministry of Social Development.
The two departments have been working together on the operation since the beginning of March.
It targeted a bogus dental practice which is alleged to have been involved in up to $375, 000 of welfare payments being fraudulently obtained.
Detective Inspector Mark Gutry says, “This morning police issued a number of search warrants at an address in Papatoetoe relating to the scam.”
“A male aged 48 and a female aged 51 were arrested and charged with Deception. There are further charges pending.”
The couple will be appearing in the Manukau District Court tomorrow. They will be held at the Manukau Police Station overnight.
The Ministry of Social Development and Police know of all people involved and both departments will continue with their investigation.
END
Ana-Mari Gates-Bowey
Counties Manukau Police Media and Communications Manager
09 263 2702
027 434 2218
 

Narong Wongwan

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S1 equal manpower minister? Hahaha........ if u G1, maybe can lah, but u just a low level, and even worse, a reservist s1. So my s4 who a taxi driver is equal to a enviroment minister? Hahaha.....

Btw, narong never mention yakult, he know the mda ruling from from yakult so how can yakult be link to enviroment.

Yes I never mentioned Yakult.
Even if its manpower minister it's still a lightweight portfolio.
Manpower/labour ministers will never be potential PMs.
Likewise a HR director won't dream of getting CEO job.
 

Leongsam

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Likewise a HR director won't dream of getting CEO job.

In the Singapore mindset, there's far too much emphasis on moving up the Corp ladder than blazing your own trail.

An HR director can easily become a CEO by quitting and starting his own company.
 

sleaguepunter

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In the Singapore mindset, there's far too much emphasis on moving up the Corp ladder than blazing your own trail.

An HR director can easily become a CEO by quitting and starting his own company.

Why would anyone want to risk his or her career to be own boss when all they have to do are keeping their noses brown to climb up corporate ladder?

Btw, raider meant singapore workforce which consist of more than a million foreigners disregard safety.
 

Leongsam

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Why would anyone want to risk his or her career to be own boss when all they have to do are keeping their noses brown to climb up corporate ladder?

Btw, raider meant singapore workforce which consist of more than a million foreigners disregard safety.

Being your own boss is less risky than being a corporate brown noser.
 
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