The situation in Sweden is a perfect classic example why we need more oppositions in the govt

[vamjok]

look at the fuck up situation now in Sweden, all because they listen to one stupid clown Anders Tegnell. Now insist they are seeing the results and the situation has plateau. how the hell is an exp curve trend reflecting that the situation has reached past the peak is beyond me.

This is the reason why we need to vote more opposition into the govt to have a much more balance voice. This is a classic perfect example of how dangerous the situation can be in policy making, if only a single person opinion is consulted.

 

[eatshitndie]

to achieve herd immunity they need at least 69% of the population infected. they are far from it, and need to ramp up infections. these curves show that the slow pace of infections will prevent them from achieving their objective which is herd immunity.

 

[vamjok]

to achieve herd immunity they need at least 69% of the population infected. they are far from it, and need to ramp up infections. these curves show that the slow pace of infections will prevent them from achieving their objective which is herd immunity.

the main problem with herd immunity mentality is this...

as of now, there are zero evidence that once you recovered from COVID19, you are immuned to it. In fact there are over 100 cases of reinfection in S.Korea, this is such a worrying fact that WHO demands a proper investigation. Hopefully its due to faulty test kits or screw up. If reinfection is true within such a short period is true, we are really fucked. This is because it means we might not have a proper vaccine to fight against this virus (hopefully I am wrong on this).

 

[eatshitndie]

the main problem with herd immunity mentality is this...

as of now, there are zero evidence that once you recovered from COVID19, you are immuned to it. In fact there are over 100 cases of reinfection in S.Korea, this is such a worrying fact that WHO demands a proper investigation.

worst is mutation of the next strain that becums both virulent and deadly for all ages, sex, and races. if this variant can survive on surfaces and high heat (over 69 degrees c) for more than 6.9 days, it's hard to get rid of.

 

[face the facts]

it could even be the earlier you have anti bodies, you could be immune to future even more deadly mutations, in that case the big picture changes again,
everyone would want to be infected now.... idk just a theory..

 

[zhihau]

worst is mutation of the next strain that becums both virulent and deadly for all ages, sex, and races.

Spanish flu wasn’t that aggressive during its first wave, its subsequent mutation made it deadly.

 

[eatshitndie]

Spanish flu wasn’t that aggressive during its first wave, its subsequent mutation made it deadly.

it’s a matter of time when we all collectively resign ourselves to survival of the fittest and fuck ccp and prc after that.

 

[JohnTan]

look at the fuck up situation now in Sweden, all because they listen to one stupid clown Anders Tegnell. Now insist they are seeing the results and the situation has plateau. how the hell is an exp curve trend reflecting that the situation has reached past the peak is beyond me.

Why is the situation fucked up in Sweden?

Most of the dead from covid in Sweden are from the niggers and middle immigrants, who are also over represented in crime, welfare collection and terrorism statistics.

After years of extremely high immigration from Africa and the Middle East, 25 percent of Sweden’s population — 2.6 million of a total population of 10.2 million — is of recent non-Swedish descent. The share is even higher in the Stockholm region.

Immigrants from Somalia, Iraq, Syria, and Afghanistan are highly overrepresented among COVID-19 deaths. This has been attributed partly to a lack of information in immigrants’ languages. But a more important factor seems to be the housing density in some immigrant-heavy suburbs, enhanced by closer physical proximity between generations.

It is too soon for a full reckoning of the effects of the Swedish model. The COVID-19 death rate is nine times higher than in Finland, nearly five times higher than in Norway, and more than twice as high as in Denmark. To some degree, the numbers might reflect Sweden’s much larger immigrant population, but the stark disparities with its Nordic neighbors are nonetheless striking. Denmark, Norway, and Finland all imposed rigid lockdown policies early on, with strong, active political leadership.

Now that COVID-19 is running rampant through nursing homes and other communities, the Swedish government has had to backpedal. Others who may be tempted by the “Swedish model” should understand that a defining feature of it is a higher death toll.

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinio...entary/grim-truth-swedish-model/#.XqNPwGgzaUk

 

[winnipegjets]

it’s a matter of time when we all collectively resign ourselves to survival of the fittest and fuck ccp and prc after that.

The CCP will come to the rescue of nations that seek its help. PRC will eclipse USA.

 

[eatshitndie]

The CCP will come to the rescue of nations that seek its help. PRC will eclipse USA.

sars-cov3 will kill them off, if not sars-cov69.

 

[kaninabuchaojibye]

look at the fuck up situation now in Sweden, all because they listen to one stupid clown Anders Tegnell. Now insist they are seeing the results and the situation has plateau. how the hell is an exp curve trend reflecting that the situation has reached past the peak is beyond me.

leongsam is very proud of his sweden model
did u tell him?

 

[Leongsam]

Nothing wrong with Swedish model at all. They are taking one hit rather than spreading it out and collapsing the economy in the process.

The total number dead is going to rise in all countries because the virus is already endemic in the population. We are seeing infection rates in excess of 20% to 30% in many densely populated communities and the idea that we can somehow stamp out the virus is pie-in-the-sky stuff.

Why indulge in wishful thinking when the inevitable result is just a matter of time. The problem nowadays is that politics gets in the way of science.

 

[vamjok]

"
leongsam is very proud of his sweden model
did u tell him? "

for population controlling?

 

[vamjok]

Nothing wrong with Swedish model at all. They are taking one hit rather than spreading it out and collapsing the economy in the process.

The total number dead is going to rise in all countries because the virus is already endemic in the population. We are seeing infection rates in excess of 20% to 30% in many densely populated communities and the idea that we can somehow stamp out the virus is pie-in-the-sky stuff.

Why indulge in wishful thinking when the inevitable result is just a matter of time. The problem nowadays is that politics gets in the way of science.

yes we are purposely buying time for;

1) time to developed the vaccine
2) prevent the hospital from being overloaded so that we have the resources to treat the serious cases, and not goes into the scenario that we have to make decision who to live/who to die due to the limitation of resources like Italy.
3) combine with social distancing measure to drop the reproduction number to below 2, so that the spread of the virus die out by itself

this is not wishful thinking. these are history, proven tactics based on what we learn from the spanish flu outbreak.


The main game changer here for us will be someone discovered the vaccine.

 

[vamjok]

what we experience is really like we are having a world war 3, just that not a single bullet is fired. This time round the biggest loser are the European countries and US, and the winners seems to be China.

 

[eatshitndie]

what we experience is really like we are having a world war 3, just that not a single bullet is fired. This time round the biggest loser are the European countries and US, and the winners seems to be China.

prc can go fuck herself lah. even their so called "good" friends in africa are getting tired and angry at tiongs, and we'll see more murders and pubic lynching of tiongs in africa soon. eventually the entire world will gang up against the prc.

 

[vamjok]

prc can go fuck herself lah.

too bad, as much as i don't really like PRC. this covid19 episodes clearly demonstrated that US no longer has the ability to lead the world, in the next 50 years or sooner, China is the one that is going to take the leading role. Actually the irony of this is since ancient times of the past 5000 years, China was actually all the while the world leader in terms of power/trade/military, its only till late Qing dynasty that China lost its position as the global leader. China now is merely taking back its position...

 

[eatshitndie]

too bad, as much as i don't really like PRC. this covid19 episodes clearly demonstrated that US no longer has the ability to lead the world, in the next 50 years or sooner, China is the one that is going to take the leading role. Actually the irony of this is since ancient times of the past 5000 years, China was actually all the while the world leader in terms of power/trade/military, its only till late Qing dynasty that China lost its position as the global leader. China now is merely taking back its position...

prc is now hated so much that more niggers and muslims in the prc will jee siao until she gets fucked or she starts fucking herself. oh wait, even tiongs hate the prc and are leaving in droves.

 

[Leongsam]

yes we are purposely buying time for;

1) time to developed the vaccine
2) prevent the hospital from being overloaded so that we have the resources to treat the serious cases, and not goes into the scenario that we have to make decision who to live/who to die due to the limitation of resources like Italy.
3) combine with social distancing measure to drop the reproduction number to below 2, so that the spread of the virus die out by itself

this is not wishful thinking. these are history, proven tactics based on what we learn from the spanish flu outbreak.


The main game changer here for us will be someone discovered the vaccine.

1. A vaccine is at least 18 month away (assuming it ever arrives) and that is for approval to be granted. It will then take another 6 months to a year to ramp up production. We cannot shut down a country for 2 years and then expect everything to start working again at the flip of a switch. The devastation from almost no economic activity will be catastrophic.

2. The hospitals are not overloaded and there is plenty of spare capacity in Sweden and my guess is in Singapore as well. The main issue was ventilators but there are now excess ventilators in most countries that are keeping track of the stock. Italy's health care system is a separate issue and if you want to discuss that we can do it in a separate thread.

3. I have no quarrel with rules regarding social distancing and hygiene measures. I am speaking out against the necessity to shut down an economy that will cause more deaths from factors other than from Covid-19. For example cancer specialists in the UK are reporting that there will be up to 150,000 early deaths because cancer patients are not getting their treatment as chemo sessions and operations have been put on hold. The virus is not going to die out by itself because there will always be carriers. The virus is so widespread already that hoping it will die out like SARS1 is just wishful thinking. However if enough people have already been infected these carriers will no longer cause the same amount of damage.

Finally I have to point out yet again that the mortality rate is nowhere near the figures published initially which ranged from 2.3% to 3.5%. In Singapore the figure is around 0.05%. Why it is so low in Asian countries is still puzzling but perhaps the BCG vaccination theory actually holds some water.

Open the economy, carry on with the measures that were actually working for Singapore (minus the dorms) and all this will pass in no time at all. In the meantime the dorms will have to managed separately but they should not be allowed to cause economic chaos.

For excellent information regarding what is happening in Sweden go to https://www.covid19insweden.com/en/

 

[Leongsam]

too bad, as much as i don't really like PRC. this covid19 episodes clearly demonstrated that US no longer has the ability to lead the world, in the next 50 years or sooner, China is the one that is going to take the leading role. Actually the irony of this is since ancient times of the past 5000 years, China was actually all the while the world leader in terms of power/trade/military, its only till late Qing dynasty that China lost its position as the global leader. China now is merely taking back its position...

Let's see how things are at the end of the year. I have bookmarked your post for future reference.