hahaha....reading the gossips from the msm/forums suddenly some demi god believed everything and added in his own conclusion of "taking advantage of women".....maybe he should be called the prata man instead..
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Screwjack Yaw - the end is near?
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Yep. Depending on how WP handle this, I suspect there's going to be more revelations to come, and YSL/AF ain't gonna be the only ones caught with their pants/skirt down.
Yeahhhhh..... i got negative points...
Who's that? Was wondering how you guys seem to know who's hiding behind some of the nicks. With your post, now i know you guys know shit. Just shooting blanks. :oIo::oIo: At least YSL is shooting live rounds and getting someone hit.
You are making a serious accusation. Predatory is a strong word. Do you have proof? I'm not defending YSL, but for all you know, he could be just another 'player', and the women were not innocent victims. It takes two hands to clap, you know.
But I do think YSL's political career is over, kaput for now, mainly because of the way he mishandled the crisis.
But I do think YSL's political career is over, kaput for now, mainly because of the way he mishandled the crisis.
dun try to digress....
the writing was already oin the wall .....
WP was lucky to have CNY as a breather
.... you guys are like 3 or 4 times my age.... you really think it is going to just blow over with no comments....
TFBH change his mind pretty fast.... but not people like aurvandil ... pathetic... aurvandil actually think he can influence public opinion ....
and the other1 who keep harping on Shanmugan is preety self inflated if you ask me...
No wonder you sound like a 10-year-old. When did I digress. You don't understand word meanings, your vocab is poor, your comprehension is worse.
I dunno where but somebody mentioned it before: there was definitely something fishy when YSL refused to confirm or deny the rumours.
There was something fishy going on. I still think the WP did the right thing.
If there is a skeleton in the closet, and there is only 1 skeleton in the closet, and if it doesn't affect YSL's political career, admit to the world that there is a skeleton in the closet, and the move on.
If there are more skeletons in the closet, and people only know about one, and the guy's political career is finished, just throw away the whole closet along with that person.
This angle on his behaviour being predatory and an abuse of authority puts a new spin on my view of Bill Clinton. For years I had accepted the argument that personal life is personal life and politics is politics. However, if you say that YSL is unfit for office due to recurring patterns of behaviour, then Bill Clinton should have been punished for preying on an intern. I suppose he only survived because people thought he was doing a good job.
There was something fishy going on. I still think the WP did the right thing.
If there is a skeleton in the closet, and there is only 1 skeleton in the closet, and if it doesn't affect YSL's political career, admit to the world that there is a skeleton in the closet, and the move on.
If there are more skeletons in the closet, and people only know about one, and the guy's political career is finished, just throw away the whole closet along with that person.
This angle on his behaviour being predatory and an abuse of authority puts a new spin on my view of Bill Clinton. For years I had accepted the argument that personal life is personal life and politics is politics. However, if you say that YSL is unfit for office due to recurring patterns of behaviour, then Bill Clinton should have been punished for preying on an intern. I suppose he only survived because people thought he was doing a good job.
I read the WP's reaction as "not surprising", largely because LTK - and by extension the WP - is known to view the mainstream media as the PAP's propaganda wing [of course, he is right to have this view] and largely circled the wagons. Of course, if party members are still walking the ground and listening to feedback, the party might have a better feel of the ground on how the public feels about the whole matter rather than caving into what pressure being created by the media.
As I see it, it will be an overreaction for WP to ask Yaw to resign as MP and then call for by-election. As someone has already pointed out, the brand of conservatism in the HDB heartland is not really the kind of social conservatism we find in say, the Deep South of the United States. And my gut feeling tells me that the Christian Right in Singapore are hardcore PAP voters anyway and if they exist, the Christian Left will vote for SDP or anything that is not PAP.
As for Yaw, it is up to the party whether they should field him in GE2016. Perhaps by then people would have forgotten about it.
More importantly, this fiasco shows what Temasek Review truly is and why the government never even bothered to gazette it. It is truly a rabid dog running around biting anything that is remotely establishment.
As I see it, it will be an overreaction for WP to ask Yaw to resign as MP and then call for by-election. As someone has already pointed out, the brand of conservatism in the HDB heartland is not really the kind of social conservatism we find in say, the Deep South of the United States. And my gut feeling tells me that the Christian Right in Singapore are hardcore PAP voters anyway and if they exist, the Christian Left will vote for SDP or anything that is not PAP.
As for Yaw, it is up to the party whether they should field him in GE2016. Perhaps by then people would have forgotten about it.
More importantly, this fiasco shows what Temasek Review truly is and why the government never even bothered to gazette it. It is truly a rabid dog running around biting anything that is remotely establishment.
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I read the WP's reaction as "not surprising", largely because LTK - and by extension the WP - is known to view the mainstream media as the PAP's propaganda wing [of course, he is right to have this view] and largely circled the wagons. Of course, if party members are still walking the ground and listening to feedback, the party might have a better feel of the ground on how the public feels about the whole matter rather than caving into what pressure being created by the media.
As I see it, it will be an overreaction for WP to ask Yaw to resign as MP and then call for by-election. As someone has already pointed out, the brand of conservatism in the HDB heartland is not really the kind of social conservatism we find in say, the Deep South of the United States. And my gut feeling tells me that the Christian Right in Singapore are hardcore PAP voters anyway and if they exist, the Christian Left will vote for SDP or anything that is not PAP.
As for Yaw, it is up to the party whether they should field him in GE2016. Perhaps by then people would have forgotten about it.
More importantly, this fiasco shows what Temasek Review truly is and why the government never even bothered to gazette it. It is truly a rabid dog running around biting anything that is remotely establishment.
I do agree with you. In fact, most "saintly" people played with fire all the time and were not caught. Pastor of highly beings become a phaedophile, teacher molest young underaged student, grassroot leader took underskirt photos, monk misappropriated money, police chief bribed for sex, Foo Mee Har flirt with her boss but SPH didn't even sound a loud alarm button. It is not about the nature of crime but the legality of it, it is about fair & objective coverage by traditional media.
Yaw was just a naughty boy who lighted up a match stick and the whole town screamed for Fire Engine and wanted his life, that is what I meant by disproportionate blaming and we should not fall into PAP trap..
well said!!! up u. so many people here so smart and pointing finger here and there. if u all not happy, dont vote for WP. no need come here act like saint. u know who u r.
Dear Scroo,
YSL has been a serial and successful womanizer. In so much as it was consensual, there is currently no hint of harassment , rape, exchange of sex for Aljunied Town Council Translation Services contract etc etc etc. The question is one about the "damage" to the party, damage to the opposition and the ability of the party to manage its "crisis".
The damage will not be to HG , but rather to the erosion of support for the WP in AJ. HG is at 65% which is or will be hard to chip away at in one go, AJ is at 56% which is still politically dangerous and which could swing either way in the next round.
I am afraid that the handling of the crisis by the party is symptomatic of how LOW and in particular a certain way of thinking continues to dominate and dictate how issues are settled and done within the party.
The "LTK" philosophy remains , that " One should have no expectations from the party, One should die for the party , and that any bone or responsibility is a gift and not a right ". In so much as that attitude produces loyalty and discipline it also produces a load of lemmings willing to go over the edge if the wrong advice is given or read by those at the top.
The triumvirate of LTK SL and YSL has been disrupted for a reason, the leaks were from within for a reason. In the traditional chinese way of "borrowing a sword " , YSL was not the target of this escapade but rather SL and LTK.
The belief strongly held that door to door vista , dinners, funerals, temple dinners. etc etc can overcome any amount of bad press by a hostile media. That belief is built into its leaders, its candidates and its leaders even when many should know better based on their professional backgrounds.
And when the proverbial shit hits the fan, the party reaction as a whole reverts to its tried and tested MO. " Shut Up and Disclose Nothing ". If loyalty is valued above all else then more rocky roads lie ahead. YSL might have been loyal to the party but how far SHOULD the party remain loyal to him ? Should it in any way risk AJ to save him ?
Locke
YSL has been a serial and successful womanizer. In so much as it was consensual, there is currently no hint of harassment , rape, exchange of sex for Aljunied Town Council Translation Services contract etc etc etc. The question is one about the "damage" to the party, damage to the opposition and the ability of the party to manage its "crisis".
The damage will not be to HG , but rather to the erosion of support for the WP in AJ. HG is at 65% which is or will be hard to chip away at in one go, AJ is at 56% which is still politically dangerous and which could swing either way in the next round.
I am afraid that the handling of the crisis by the party is symptomatic of how LOW and in particular a certain way of thinking continues to dominate and dictate how issues are settled and done within the party.
The "LTK" philosophy remains , that " One should have no expectations from the party, One should die for the party , and that any bone or responsibility is a gift and not a right ". In so much as that attitude produces loyalty and discipline it also produces a load of lemmings willing to go over the edge if the wrong advice is given or read by those at the top.
The triumvirate of LTK SL and YSL has been disrupted for a reason, the leaks were from within for a reason. In the traditional chinese way of "borrowing a sword " , YSL was not the target of this escapade but rather SL and LTK.
The belief strongly held that door to door vista , dinners, funerals, temple dinners. etc etc can overcome any amount of bad press by a hostile media. That belief is built into its leaders, its candidates and its leaders even when many should know better based on their professional backgrounds.
And when the proverbial shit hits the fan, the party reaction as a whole reverts to its tried and tested MO. " Shut Up and Disclose Nothing ". If loyalty is valued above all else then more rocky roads lie ahead. YSL might have been loyal to the party but how far SHOULD the party remain loyal to him ? Should it in any way risk AJ to save him ?
Locke
Not suggesting anything criminal. Its using the position to take advantage of people who are subordinate and supporting him. If he was screwing SL, Glenda and even Angela I have no issues. There are many on both sides of the divide and nothing new. We talking about translator and counting agent. Note the comment from the PRC.
Obviously it was serious enough for a sitting MP to be turfed out from CEC.
YSL is not issue and I suspect that you know that. When a party adopts a line along accountability and transparency and a co-driver as they don't trust the ruling party, we are talking about moral conduct. If WP says that they would be contributing towards policy making, going thru the budget with fine tooth comb, I am sure we can't be bothered.
There are 2 options facing WP Leadership - one, turf him out and reclaim the moral high ground or slowly move away from accountability and transparency and just concentrate on tangible stuff which they have limited competence in. The question is, is YSL worth it. Are the rest prepared to carry the can for this runway prick with pun intended.
I am also quite interested in this episode as I too am struggling internally how best to handle it if I were in their shoes. Not at an emotional level but more at a tactical level. Quite interesting.
I am pretty sure that some are not prepared and thus the leak.
ps. this is purely speculative but I suspect I now understand why LTK did not go for the jugular when the PM gave him the knife over WKS. He probably knew that PM and establishment had a handle over what is going on.
Obviously it was serious enough for a sitting MP to be turfed out from CEC.
YSL is not issue and I suspect that you know that. When a party adopts a line along accountability and transparency and a co-driver as they don't trust the ruling party, we are talking about moral conduct. If WP says that they would be contributing towards policy making, going thru the budget with fine tooth comb, I am sure we can't be bothered.
There are 2 options facing WP Leadership - one, turf him out and reclaim the moral high ground or slowly move away from accountability and transparency and just concentrate on tangible stuff which they have limited competence in. The question is, is YSL worth it. Are the rest prepared to carry the can for this runway prick with pun intended.
I am also quite interested in this episode as I too am struggling internally how best to handle it if I were in their shoes. Not at an emotional level but more at a tactical level. Quite interesting.
I am pretty sure that some are not prepared and thus the leak.
ps. this is purely speculative but I suspect I now understand why LTK did not go for the jugular when the PM gave him the knife over WKS. He probably knew that PM and establishment had a handle over what is going on.
Maybe WP should contest Geylang. Flippant on my part.
Locke Liberal is YSL buddy. I've lost count of how many women he's been involved with. But it's alright for LL. He's neither an MP nor planning to be one.
Dear Scroo,
Honestly it is my belief that there is a strong consensus that if they attend enough temple dinners, sell enough hammers, knock on enough doors etc etc, that these tactics are enough to overcome or limit whatever happens at the strategic or CEC level.
The problem with accountability is that its all fine in theory till it touches a "loyal" or the "golden one". In the West at least, the party outweighs all any "any" golden boy can go from hero to zero in a blink.
In Low's view, some degree of accountability has been done but it has been private accountability and the key is I believe this, Private accountability allows for redemption of the golden boy at a later date hopefully when all is forgotten. Public accountability removes that ability to a large degree.
Removing him from the CEC was a blunder as it reopened the floodgates and was a tacit admission. Not explaining the decision was even worse , People read between the lines and they are not stupid and they all believe that YSL did it and he was censured by the party for it. Keeping silent adds no value whatsoever except to protect whatever shred of dignity that YSL left and it goes back to the question how far should he be protected as the golden boy ? And to what extent YSL is the golden boy who should be protected is a calculation for the CEC and those who have been gifted by low, desire political advancement, see things in its brutal clarity to decide or feel that loyalty however lemming like in its blindness should be the priority, its for them to decide, This remains strictly out of my party pay grade. .
Low's explanation of his silence on LTK was so weak to the cadre conference that year as to be laughable. Basically he adopted "strictly" the dictates of the Westminster principle of accountability that as long as the MInister was not directly responsible for the actions of the service , he should not resign. Of course that principle has to be balanced against the known FACT that N Selamat was no boy scout and the most dangerous terrorist in Singapore during that period, and whether that Political Judgement was made correct was in my view made incorrectly.
At the end of the day , LOW delights and wants a free shot at the PAP. That is an argument to which the PAP has no response. That forgets the whole point that the PAP will have some response however stupid or inane and the art lies in showing its stupidity in its full glory.
Locke
Honestly it is my belief that there is a strong consensus that if they attend enough temple dinners, sell enough hammers, knock on enough doors etc etc, that these tactics are enough to overcome or limit whatever happens at the strategic or CEC level.
The problem with accountability is that its all fine in theory till it touches a "loyal" or the "golden one". In the West at least, the party outweighs all any "any" golden boy can go from hero to zero in a blink.
In Low's view, some degree of accountability has been done but it has been private accountability and the key is I believe this, Private accountability allows for redemption of the golden boy at a later date hopefully when all is forgotten. Public accountability removes that ability to a large degree.
Removing him from the CEC was a blunder as it reopened the floodgates and was a tacit admission. Not explaining the decision was even worse , People read between the lines and they are not stupid and they all believe that YSL did it and he was censured by the party for it. Keeping silent adds no value whatsoever except to protect whatever shred of dignity that YSL left and it goes back to the question how far should he be protected as the golden boy ? And to what extent YSL is the golden boy who should be protected is a calculation for the CEC and those who have been gifted by low, desire political advancement, see things in its brutal clarity to decide or feel that loyalty however lemming like in its blindness should be the priority, its for them to decide, This remains strictly out of my party pay grade. .
Low's explanation of his silence on LTK was so weak to the cadre conference that year as to be laughable. Basically he adopted "strictly" the dictates of the Westminster principle of accountability that as long as the MInister was not directly responsible for the actions of the service , he should not resign. Of course that principle has to be balanced against the known FACT that N Selamat was no boy scout and the most dangerous terrorist in Singapore during that period, and whether that Political Judgement was made correct was in my view made incorrectly.
At the end of the day , LOW delights and wants a free shot at the PAP. That is an argument to which the PAP has no response. That forgets the whole point that the PAP will have some response however stupid or inane and the art lies in showing its stupidity in its full glory.
Locke
WP has already insisted and contested Geylang. Geylang is in Moulmein-Kallang GRC. GMS and NSP were very unhappy over it.
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Great points.
Also in the West, there is sizeable pool where replacements with competence are waiting in the wings. Here it is limited.
The CEC dismissal is to assauge others and not to punish him.
Also in the West, there is sizeable pool where replacements with competence are waiting in the wings. Here it is limited.
The CEC dismissal is to assauge others and not to punish him.
HI Locke, thanks for your posting, you confirm my suspicious...
I been fishing for info about groupthink in WP for so long here, what we have here is a 1 man show...
If WP is to progress further, we will need more Yee JJ and SHow Mao and less of LTK...
most importantly, Yee JJ and SHow Mao do not need LTK, whereas young guns like GG, pritam and Yaw all owe their loyalty to Low...
as long WP is a 1 man show, it cannot progress to attract the likes of Yee JJ and SHow Mao ....
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