Is WP Stronger or more Vulnerable in future 3 corner fights?

[brocoli]

Nevermind. NSP is full of termites. No need to name. They know themselves LOL

Points for you

tanks q ....

I have given out too much Reputation in the last 24 hours, try again later. repay chiu soon...

 

[Ramseth]

I
Quaich Bar 4th anniversary was this year end august and Royal Room was early September...I didnt purposely go and dig out her old history ok....?

Actually, I find nothing wrong with that. So I'm neither offended nor defensive about your posting. PAP MPs party too. I partied with Glenda now and then too.

 

[Perspective]

It's quite clear that this is a psychological issue, not a political one.
GMS is upset. He is upset that WP won a grc without him in the team, that Pritam effectively replaced him, that WP is now the frontrunner among opposition parties (again without him) and is talking about future potential coalition with pap and the probable potential decision maker in 3 cornered fights. You get the connection now?
He puts on a happy-go-lucky front, but he is upset and frustrated, possibly regretful and is venting in our little community here to all the ah peks who still bother to listen. :o

Of course, I can't comment on the personal feud between u 2. That could be another factor.

My adviCe is that he needs to man up and preserve his personal political future by addressing and confronting pap with the issues again.

I have told Scro that it is personal from day one - the quality of each response does not match each corresponding responses to - and I am clear what it is. Scro is still blur and thinking that you have someone who sacrificed much and need us to cut some slack. Not all opposition are doing this for the right reasons. In this case it's more like an addiction to attention and publicity. Even gamblers sacrifice much at the gambling table to feed their family - that doesn't mean they are altruistic.

 

[3_M]

You are right there. NSP, or at least NSP with a GMS, has to take centre left as extreme left is taken by SDP and TJS's new party. This will be a challenge for votes from the same voter base as WP.

It about political positioning. If NSP adopts a centrist stance, then GMS is going head on with WP on the same voter base. That when branding, media exposure, leadership, public perception comes into play. No way NSP can match WP on these. Hence the only breathing space for NSP is to steer more towards the left and differentiate themselves from WP. That where they will be able to slice off some opposition voters away from WP but at the risk of losing the middle ground. And I think we are talking about 4-8% votes for NSP not 25%. For majority of opposition supporters, it not about party loyalty but political reality. The stronger opposition will get majority of the opposition votes.

 

[Fook Seng]

It about political positioning. If NSP adopts a centrist stance, then GMS is going head on with WP on the same voter base. That when branding, media exposure, leadership, public perception comes into play. No way NSP can match WP on these. Hence the only breathing space for NSP is to steer more towards the left and differentiate themselves from WP. That where they will be able to slice off some opposition voters away from WP but at the risk of losing the middle ground. And I think we are talking about 4-8% votes for NSP not 25%. For majority of opposition supporters, it not about party loyalty but political reality. The stronger opposition will get majority of the opposition votes.

But is GMS wise enough to understand that? I think he is. But is he wise enough to know that trying to frustrate WP in the centre is futile. I don't think he wise enough there.

 

[Perspective]

It about political positioning. If NSP adopts a centrist stance, then GMS is going head on with WP on the same voter base. That when branding, media exposure, leadership, public perception comes into play. No way NSP can match WP on these. Hence the only breathing space for NSP is to steer more towards the left and differentiate themselves from WP. That where they will be able to slice off some opposition voters away from WP but at the risk of losing the middle ground. And I think we are talking about 4-8% votes for NSP not 25%. For majority of opposition supporters, it not about party loyalty but political reality. The stronger opposition will get majority of the opposition votes.

To put it simply (simply because only village idiots understand that way) the aim of any party including WP is to field as many candidates as possible. When an opposition party can produce 50 candidates, the other party it meets will be the PAP and any party that comes within the 50 wards will be the third party. By not doing so, the first party has to pull out a substantial number from the 50. Should they do so for weaker parties with weaker candidates for the sake of it? It is silly to assert that anyone having this notion reveals the intention to have 3 corner fights, as if that is the intended purpose. Again, the aim is not to have 3 corner fights. The aim is for all parties to field more candidates - in which 3 corner fights come with it.

 

[sleaguepunter]

i repeat again, the so call hardcore opposition voters are no more than 20% nationwide. hardcore mean will even vote for a dog if the EC allow a dog to be nominate to contest the seat. but the percentage of it varies in different area. I remember before grc system begin, lao lee opponents lose their deposit.

imho, extreme left percentage even lower than the so call hardcore opposition voters. i myself a hardcore opposition voter. i vote for anyone who stand against pap. in the event of the three corner fight, i vote for the person/team i felt have the best chance of getting rid of the pap twits. While i may not exactly like the choice i make, it still better than living under the pap yoke.

 

[Forvendet]

To put it simply (simply because only village idiots understand that way) the aim of any party including WP is to field as many candidates as possible. When an opposition party can produce 50 candidates, the other party it meets will be the PAP and any party that comes within the 50 wards will be the third party. By not doing so, the first party has to pull out a substantial number from the 50. Should they do so for weaker parties with weaker candidates for the sake of it? It is silly to assert that anyone having this notion reveals the intention to have 3 corner fights, as if that is the intended purpose. Again, the aim is not to have 3 corner fights. The aim is for all parties to field more candidates - in which 3 corner fights come with it.

All opposition parties must aim for and be ready for three- or multi-cornered contests in order to grow and progress to the size ultimately all opposition parties should be working toward, big enough form government. Simple mathematics. There're 87 seats in Parliament. If all parties keep negotiating and avoiding three- or multi-cornered contests, every party will be limited to below 30 candidates and no party will ever grow big enough to form government. PAP will remain always the resort of solace for those moderates and conservatives in uncertainty banking on certainty of what's not so good and wouldn't risk on anything that could turn worse than not so good. And that my friend, is the majority. And in democracy, it's about winning over the majority, isn't it?

 

[ssrrvv11]

wp stronger or weaker in 3-corner fight is hard to say because it has not happened yet.

2011 wp aljunied grc team without gms is 100% confirmed stronger than the 2006 wp team with that clown. this has been proven in the ballot box.

 

[Forvendet]

wp stronger or weaker in 3-corner fight is hard to say because it has not happened yet.

2011 wp aljunied grc team without gms is 100% confirmed stronger than the 2006 wp team with that clown. this has been proven in the ballot box.

It has happened. Punggol East 2011. PAP 54.5%, WP 41.0%, SDA 4.5%.

 

[Robert Half]

I hope to more 3-cornered fight in next GE. Hopefully PAP vs WP vs NSP in a GRC fight.

Hopefully is in Marine Parade GRC

 

[GoldenDragon]

PAP MPs party too. I partied with Glenda now and then too.

Next time you party with Glenda, can invite me? No threat to you coz I am an old uncle and definitely not as handsome.

 

[GoldenDragon]

I hope to more 3-cornered fight in next GE. Hopefully PAP vs WP vs NSP in a GRC fight.

Hopefully is in Marine Parade GRC

NSP with GMS to lose deposit.

 

[Robert Half]

NSP with GMS to lose deposit.

hahaha

Even with Nicole Seah in ... also lose deposits

 

[GoldenDragon]

hahaha

Even with Nicole Seah in ... also lose deposits

I opine NS has the potential to go far. At least further than GMS. She needs to find a mentor quickly. Team up with respected opposition members.
Hope she makes it to parliament thru the front door next GE.

GMS? He will continue to kpkb outside parliament even when he becomes a grandfather.

 

[jw5]

I opine NS has the potential to go far. At least further than GMS. She needs to find a mentor quickly. Team up with respected opposition members.
Hope she makes it to parliament thru the front door next GE.

GMS? He will continue to kpkb outside parliament even when he becomes a grandfather.

I have never thought that highly of NS to date.
Perhaps it's my personal bias, but imho, women between the ages of 25 to 40 generally go one of 2 ways.
Become mature, sensible, motherly, logical, kindly, or become bitchy, shrewish, materialistic, conniving, etc.. Of course, it's a continuum and these are the 2 extremes.
She's not even 25 yet right? Long way to go and for us to judge her.

As for GMS, his exchanges with u simply proved that he was frustrated and envious and out to "comment" on Pritam's comment. I realised this when I looked at his thread starting title. He made the remark in another thread, sneering tree went after him for the remark, and then he started a new thread, on the pretext of having an new discussion. What he wanted was to vent, not to the general public, but to us ah peks.
It's not for the purpose of academic or intellectual political discussion as he originally claimed.
He finally admitted through exchanges with u that in his opinion, Pritam lacked "political wisdom". That was his point all along.
That must be how u used to interrogate suspects huh? :o

With opposition members like these, who needs pap?

 

[Ramseth]

I opine NS has the potential to go far. At least further than GMS. She needs to find a mentor quickly. Team up with respected opposition members.
Hope she makes it to parliament thru the front door next GE.

GMS? He will continue to kpkb outside parliament even when he becomes a grandfather.

I don't have such high hopes on my niece. She's still not yet matured and focused politically. The only reason she has a high score is because of TPL even worse than her.

 

[wikiphile]

I don't have such high hopes on my niece. She's still not yet matured and focused politically. The only reason she has a high score is because of TPL even worse than her.

My my my, what an honest assessment from you for once.

 

[GoldenDragon]

That must be how u used to interrogate suspects huh?

Lots of them, bro. The tough ones are those cases whereby you have zero evidence against them. From my experiene, yet to see a scholar who excelled in this field.

Some scholars are even afraid of their accused persons. The experienced accused persons sizes you up and once they ascertained you can be bullied, good luck to you. Being able to speak their lingo helps.

Those were the days. Fond memories.

 

[wikiphile]

I have never thought that highly of NS to date.
Perhaps it's my personal bias, but imho, women between the ages of 25 to 40 generally go one of 2 ways.
Become mature, sensible, motherly, logical, kindly, or become bitchy, shrewish, materialistic, conniving, etc.. Of course, it's a continuum and these are the 2 extremes.
She's not even 25 yet right? Long way to go and for us to judge her.

As for GMS, his exchanges with u simply proved that he was frustrated and envious and out to "comment" on Pritam's comment. I realised this when I looked at his thread starting title. He made the remark in another thread, sneering tree went after him for the remark, and then he started a new thread, on the pretext of having an new discussion. What he wanted was to vent, not to the general public, but to us ah peks.
It's not for the purpose of academic or intellectual political discussion as he originally claimed.
He finally admitted through exchanges with u that in his opinion, Pritam lacked "political wisdom". That was his point all along.
That must be how u used to interrogate suspects huh? :o

With opposition members like these, who needs pap?

IMO, PS is sharper on many notches higher than what Capt (NS) GMS gives him credit for, then again how much credit has he ever given to others not on his side of the team. Pritam Singh is one to watch out for in the coming years, he reminds me of a young opposition lawyer 52 years ago. GMS is one to laugh at since 2006, i have been doing so for the past 5 years and see no reason to stop doing so for the next 5