Casino gambling fall in here!!!

Thank you Bro SilverFox for the sound advice..

Sometimes too early to run lah...I gave myself two hours at Roulette table. If first few rounds no strike, I leave for another table ...and so on until I have a table where I make a few strikes and I stay...Once the dealer starts dishing me out in cash, I know I'm in the winning streak...and that's when I'm prepared to cash out once my chips are swept clean....So far this strategy works well for me..

But sometimes, the losing streak continues the whole day...and that's really bad!!! You can lose all your past wins in just one day!

So like everyone here has advised: Get out of the casino and fight another day! Wise and sound advice.But many of us will stay on and pray that the luck will change.Sometimes we just do deeper and sink deeper into the depths of hell and empty our ATMs too.

So gambling is a death trap and a potential death threat too to ALL gamblers no matter how experienced you are....I've lost almost everything once and I'm still very vulnerable...and I'm still learning.

The Mantra is RUN WHEN YOU ARE UP OR WHEN YOUR LUCK IS RUNNING OUT....RUN!!!!

Sometimes, they change croupiers several times!!!! Esp in roulette tables where very high bets are made.Some dealers always spin the same number and around the same sector.You need to catch these moments and these numbers and you're already a winner in a few rounds.

Then they change the dealer and the numbers become random with no pattern.This is also a clear signal to cash out and leave the table. Or you can just sit and watch for a few turns before you decide to place your bets.

They can change the dealer.They can change the ball! They can change the direction of the wheel, the tilt and so on...So many things to change to WIN for the CASINO..

So if you walk out of the casino a winner, you are already a winner - a hero.A rare specimen!!!

Good Luck to all bros and sis...

theblackhole said:

Thank you Bro SilverFox for the sound advice..

Sometimes too early to run lah...I gave myself two hours at Roulette table. If first few rounds no strike, I leave for another table ...and so on until I have a table where I make a few strikes and I stay...Once the dealer starts dishing me out in cash, I know I'm in the winning streak...and that's when I'm prepared to cash out once my chips are swept clean....So far this strategy works well for me..

But sometimes, the losing streak continues the whole day...and that's really bad!!! You can lose all your past wins in just one day!

So like everyone here has advised: Get out of the casino and fight another day! Wise and sound advice.But many of us will stay on and pray that the luck will change.Sometimes we just do deeper and sink deeper into the depths of hell and empty our ATMs too.

So gambling is a death trap and a potential death threat too to ALL gamblers no matter how experienced you are....I've lost almost everything once and I'm still very vulnerable...and I'm still learning.

The Mantra is RUN WHEN YOU ARE UP OR WHEN YOUR LUCK IS RUNNING OUT....RUN!!!!

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In MBS, my Malaysian friend signed credit cards receipts for $2,000 worth of cash chips in Ruby Room
then signed another $2,000 in High Limit area.

Initally he bought 24,000 ringgit about SGD 10,000. One day 6 hours of play he lost around $14,000 in MBS just on Baccarat tables.

We Singaporeans are lucky ..cannot sign credit cards in our casinos only can empty ATMs.

For me, on the Roulette games.

(1) When I am against an experience dealer, I bet on 1st 12, 2nd 12 or 3rd 12, Red/Black or in Line.

(2) When I am against a newbie dealer, study his pattern first then bet heavily on sectors.

In Roulette, I do not bet on every hand and also forget finding a biased wheel.

Just viewed some past World Series of Poker videos, very entertaining man. Most of the professionals are from USA. Real Cool.

rofthelper said:

Just viewed some past World Series of Poker videos, very entertaining man. Most of the professionals are from USA. Real Cool.

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So you have the intention to play Texas Holdem full time ?

I agree with you HBK...Sometimes I go to a new table and just watch the numbers...And if you have identified a sector, you will surely WIN....and this will last for about 10 rounds...and by then you should have made enough to RUN once the sector has changed and the dealer has changed too...All these are studied and captured by the cameras and the floor managers.

Once I was winning like HELL,keep pocketing cash chips, when a well dressed staff approached me and asked for my membership card and details....

That little interruption spoiled my pattern and upset my whole strategy...I lost my sector and I lost much of my winnings...and I knew I had to quit soon...

Why this interruption????

Sometimes, the new dealer spin the same sector and he too will be quickly changed until another dealer comes and spin numbers at random...

You cannot stay longer to beat the casino. When you are UP, stay on...When you are going down and down, quit while you are still UP....the downhill is going to kill off all your winnings...That's my experience. I've stayed on before and I never strike a single number with the new dealer!!!!

Believe it! The casino can change ! And they can make you unlucky and lose big time!!!So learn to RUN - easy said than done!!!

rofthelper said:

Not worth the risk to collaborate with him. I mean how long can you actually cooperate with him? Not for very long. In long run, the surveillance cameras will spot the "patterns", the alleged croupier will be jailed and banned while your frd will be in the "ban list" in worldwide casinos.

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Precisely. The croupier just wants a cut. If win, give him cut, if lose, he don't lose a cent.

If lose, the casino also don't monitor the croupier. :p But imagine that if you bet small, and you have to give him a cut, you don't get much, You win 10K-20K up on roulette on betting patterns and numbers only, the cameras already monitoring you.

That was how that casino cheat got noticed for past posting because he won too much.

It's not worth it. Get banned no "entertainment" outlets to go already. :p

theblackhole said:

Thank you Bro SilverFox for the sound advice..

Sometimes too early to run lah...I gave myself two hours at Roulette table. If first few rounds no strike, I leave for another table ...and so on until I have a table where I make a few strikes and I stay...Once the dealer starts dishing me out in cash, I know I'm in the winning streak...and that's when I'm prepared to cash out once my chips are swept clean....So far this strategy works well for me..

But sometimes, the losing streak continues the whole day...and that's really bad!!! You can lose all your past wins in just one day!

So like everyone here has advised: Get out of the casino and fight another day! Wise and sound advice.But many of us will stay on and pray that the luck will change.Sometimes we just do deeper and sink deeper into the depths of hell and empty our ATMs too.

So gambling is a death trap and a potential death threat too to ALL gamblers no matter how experienced you are....I've lost almost everything once and I'm still very vulnerable...and I'm still learning.

The Mantra is RUN WHEN YOU ARE UP OR WHEN YOUR LUCK IS RUNNING OUT....RUN!!!!

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Actually if the house edge over us players is 3%. So that goes to say that for every $10000 bets we placed, we are expected to lose $300

So if you calculate that if you hit total bets closed to $10000, and you profited with more than $100 or more, you should actually walk away already.

That is why the longer you play even though you have won initially, the house edge will slowly erode off what you have won.

Example 10 games each bet you bet $1000, So 5 won, 2 draw, 3 lose, you have $2000 profit. out of $10000 total bets. That is a 20% win.

But when you start to play another few more sets of 10 games, you will realise that out of 100games, the house edge percentage will slowly show and your initial 20% win will go down significantly. Example 50 won, 10 draw, 40lose, you won 10 bets out of 100, and you get 10% win overall. Out of $100,000 total bets, you achieve 10% win compared with playing less games.

So that is the reason why staying longer will slowly erode winnings away and may even result in losing what is won. If on a bad start, its not easy to recover all and a small loss is considered a win and can just go back casino another day.

The important part is to find way to reduce the house edge. In blackjack, surrendering, double down, splitting, split and double down, Player blackjack are all ways to reduce the house edge. (Getting blackjack is important because of the 1.5 payout, doubling down 1:2 payout)

Heart Break Kid said:

Not profitable technically to count & bet on TIE here 8 to 1. Buying PAIRS is a better option which I think so.

In San Jose USA card houses, TIE pay 10 to 1 also no one bet on it.

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Yea sorry sorry , not TIE,:o It's player and banker pair. A normal round of non-comm baccarat can hit about 60-65 hands, so after 30-40 hands, if a counter realise that there certain number cards have a higher quantity in the shoe (because total 8 decks), the probability of banker and player pair is high.

There was this ah pek who taught me before years ago while we playing baccarat together. He said in that 8 deck got a lot of big 10,J Q,K, and he will start buying TIE. Of course doesn't mean from start he buy or he always buy. But he will see the cards that are out and then he count see which cards left most in the deck.

theblackhole said:

Thank you Bro SilverFox for the sound advice..

Sometimes too early to run lah...I gave myself two hours at Roulette table. If first few rounds no strike, I leave for another table ...and so on until I have a table where I make a few strikes and I stay...Once the dealer starts dishing me out in cash, I know I'm in the winning streak...and that's when I'm prepared to cash out once my chips are swept clean....So far this strategy works well for me..

But sometimes, the losing streak continues the whole day...and that's really bad!!! You can lose all your past wins in just one day!

So like everyone here has advised: Get out of the casino and fight another day! Wise and sound advice.But many of us will stay on and pray that the luck will change.Sometimes we just do deeper and sink deeper into the depths of hell and empty our ATMs too.

So gambling is a death trap and a potential death threat too to ALL gamblers no matter how experienced you are....I've lost almost everything once and I'm still very vulnerable...and I'm still learning.

The Mantra is RUN WHEN YOU ARE UP OR WHEN YOUR LUCK IS RUNNING OUT....RUN!!!!

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There are 2 kinds of gamblers. Not every gambler enter a casino lose because of gambling. They lose because they cannot exercise self restrain.

You don't even need to be gambling in a casino to know whether you have self restrain. It can happen playing stocks, shares, forex, margin calls.

People have this general conception that gamblers are people with psychological problems, gambling is bad etc. But they did not realise that the problem stems from the person. The casino is only a catalyst. Even without the catalyst, if the person has no self restrain, he will just gamble everything away.

theblackhole said:

I agree with you HBK...Sometimes I go to a new table and just watch the numbers...And if you have identified a sector, you will surely WIN....and this will last for about 10 rounds...and by then you should have made enough to RUN once the sector has changed and the dealer has changed too...All these are studied and captured by the cameras and the floor managers.

Once I was winning like HELL,keep pocketing cash chips, when a well dressed staff approached me and asked for my membership card and details....

That little interruption spoiled my pattern and upset my whole strategy...I lost my sector and I lost much of my winnings...and I knew I had to quit soon...

Why this interruption????

Sometimes, the new dealer spin the same sector and he too will be quickly changed until another dealer comes and spin numbers at random...

You cannot stay longer to beat the casino. When you are UP, stay on...When you are going down and down, quit while you are still UP....the downhill is going to kill off all your winnings...That's my experience. I've stayed on before and I never strike a single number with the new dealer!!!!

Believe it! The casino can change ! And they can make you unlucky and lose big time!!!So learn to RUN - easy said than done!!!

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What you are describing here is known as the gambler's fallacy. It is the root cause for why many gamblers keep going back to the casino although they keep losing money. For more details, you can check out the following wiki link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambler's_fallacy/

silverfox@ said:

There was this ah pek who taught me before years ago while we playing baccarat together. He said in that 8 deck got a lot of big 10,J Q,K, and he will start buying TIE. Of course doesn't mean from start he buy or he always buy. But he will see the cards that are out and then he count see which cards left most in the deck.

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Wah !!! The lost for 200 years bacccarat card counting skill !

Seriously, it is statistically impossible to card count in baccarat using a 8 deck shoe.

rofthelper said:

Just viewed some past World Series of Poker videos, very entertaining man. Most of the professionals are from USA. Real Cool.

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Bro, you play poker? In your opinion, which is the better game to play in casino? Caribbean or Texas Holdem?

aurvandil said:

Wah !!! The lost for 200 years bacccarat card counting skill !

Seriously, it is statistically impossible to card count in baccarat using a 8 deck shoe.

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Based on your "assumptions", your "wikis, wizzies of odds", or just replying because its a posting made by me?

You don't need to tell us whether it is statistically impossible to card count in baccarat using a 8 deck shoe.

You need to use your brain and think first what others said is right or wrong. The ah pek didn't breakdown to me all this. From what he told me, there is many big cards in the deck, he will buy TIE.

So just need to think over whether what he said is correct or wrong.
1. Baccarat or Mini Baccarat don't use shuffling machine.
2. 8 shoe deck is 416 cards.
3. 10,J,Q,K consisted of 128 cards out of 8 decks of total 416, that is a total of at least 30%

4. After 30 hands are delivered, with at least 150 cards out of the deck, total would be around 266 cards or less left in the shoe. With an estimate of another 30 hands to be delivered, and if there is a majority of 10,J,Q,K still in the deck, can you please tell everyone, what is the possibility of both banker and player getting 0 points.

5. After 30 hands are deal out, there is an avg of 30-35 hands left. If another 10 hands are delivered, the number of cards left in the deck get lesser. The calculation will be even more precise.

You can ask your maths teacher to help you.

It is statistically possible to count the probability of cards in the deck after more and more hands are delivered.

This kind of thing is very individual. If you think what others said make sense, it makes sense when you go and think hard. If you think it doesn't make sense, no matter what others said it also doesn't make sense.

In the circle of roulette, there are many people who said it doesn't make sense how anyone can roll a ball into the hole, but there are croupiers in this world who can spin the ball into certain sectors as and when they can. Well, for me I believe there are people who can do it. Not just thesis papers who say it cannot be done.

I don't use a sentence to dispute a theory. I use explanations and reasons why it is possible.

LauMeng said:

Bro, you play poker? In your opinion, which is the better game to play in casino? Caribbean or Texas Holdem?

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I don't play poker but if I have a choice to choose, I would choose Texas Holdem instead of Caribbean.

Caribbean other than the progressive jackpot is not worth wasting time on it unless you have few other friends playing on the same table as you and you know what cards they are holding (which this method is illegal).

You need to have at least an ACE/KING before you play if not you lose your ante bet. Or you can try bluff. But if dealer has at least an ACE/KING, he can open your cards. If you are on a run without any pairs, ACE/KING(which is very very common) you would be losing ante bets all the way. When its your turn to have a good pair of cards, the dealer who is on a bad run with his hand not being able to qualify, we will only get EVEN money and our RAISE is a push.

Progressive jackpot, for every dollar placed, about 75cts or less goes to jackpot, the casino keeps the rest. That is the "water money" kept by casino regardless you hit the jackpot or not.

Texas HoldEm, is mainly to play mind games. To be a good Texas Holdem player is to be able to control your facial emotions regardless of whether your cards are good or lousy. Then your opponents will never be able to read your cards. Some very skilful players judge opponents reactions based on the dilation of the eye pupil of the player. That is why playing computer Texas HoldEm is very different from playing real life.

theblackhole said:

Thank you Bro SilverFox for the sound advice..

Sometimes too early to run lah...I gave myself two hours at Roulette table. If first few rounds no strike, I leave for another table ...and so on until I have a table where I make a few strikes and I stay...Once the dealer starts dishing me out in cash, I know I'm in the winning streak...and that's when I'm prepared to cash out once my chips are swept clean....So far this strategy works well for me..

But sometimes, the losing streak continues the whole day...and that's really bad!!! You can lose all your past wins in just one day!

So like everyone here has advised: Get out of the casino and fight another day! Wise and sound advice.But many of us will stay on and pray that the luck will change.Sometimes we just do deeper and sink deeper into the depths of hell and empty our ATMs too.

So gambling is a death trap and a potential death threat too to ALL gamblers no matter how experienced you are....I've lost almost everything once and I'm still very vulnerable...and I'm still learning.

The Mantra is RUN WHEN YOU ARE UP OR WHEN YOUR LUCK IS RUNNING OUT....RUN!!!!

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Just went yesterday for 15mins, played about 8 hands, lost 6 draw 1 win 1. Have 20, dealer 21, Split double down, dealer card 6 get until 20. dealer keep getting 20,21. Not a good start, lost $1500 just walk out already.

Going to a casino, you either win or you lose. Just like a coin. Either head or tail. 50% of the time head, 50% of the time tail.

So 50% of the time we lose, we lose a certain percentage we must walk out. When 50% of the time we win, we must stay on and get as much as we can till the winning run stop only, we must walk out.

The problem why people lose is when they are on a winning run, the good start makes them think that by continuing can make them win more, which most of the time is not the case.

If a person makes 100 trips to a casino in a year. 50 trips win, 50 trips lose. The law of average. He tells himself lose 1K, stop. Win, must continue. In this way, 50 trips will only lose 50K, the other 50trips reward will be huge if there is a long run. Even if there is no long winning run, but it can be assured that playing this way will never make anyone into a habitual problem gambler.

theblackhole said:

Sometimes, they change croupiers several times!!!! Esp in roulette tables where very high bets are made.Some dealers always spin the same number and around the same sector.You need to catch these moments and these numbers and you're already a winner in a few rounds.

Then they change the dealer and the numbers become random with no pattern.This is also a clear signal to cash out and leave the table. Or you can just sit and watch for a few turns before you decide to place your bets.

They can change the dealer.They can change the ball! They can change the direction of the wheel, the tilt and so on...So many things to change to WIN for the CASINO..

So if you walk out of the casino a winner, you are already a winner - a hero.A rare specimen!!!

Good Luck to all bros and sis...

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A croupier's pay is very little (genting malaysia). There are some who always look for opportunities to make money sideline. It's a known secret among the management, that is why to prevent cheating, they always rotate the dealers at roulette tables to prevent heavy payout.

silverfox@ said:

Based on your "assumptions", your "wikis, wizzies of odds", or just replying because its a posting made by me?

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Please check out the following from wizard of odds.

http://wizardofodds.com/baccarat/baccaratapx2.html

But don't believe hor ... you are a grand master gambler with all sorts secret technqiue and kung fu taught to you by former junket operators and ah peks. You say can so can lor ...

silverfox@ said:

Yea sorry sorry , not TIE,:o It's player and banker pair. A normal round of non-comm baccarat can hit about 60-65 hands, so after 30-40 hands, if a counter realise that there certain number cards have a higher quantity in the shoe (because total 8 decks), the probability of banker and player pair is high.

There was this ah pek who taught me before years ago while we playing baccarat together. He said in that 8 deck got a lot of big 10,J Q,K, and he will start buying TIE. Of course doesn't mean from start he buy or he always buy. But he will see the cards that are out and then he count see which cards left most in the deck.

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ya .. I did read up on your Baccarat analysis in the thread dated around 2 years back and you even recommended a book called Baccarat Battle Book from PageOne. Your analysis did benefit me a lot.

Nowadays it seem that you are playing Blackjack more often. Personally I think Blackjack can be fixed using high tech shuffling machines expecially those in VIP or private rooms. After all players decision are made, the mechanic of the shuffling machines is enable the dealers to draw close to 21 points and beat the players.

I would think gamblers is quite in a disadvantage position in playing Blackjack games.