Does anyone know how ISD agents work?

[Thick Face Black Heart]

Now, I am more interested in counter-intelligence and I have made lives quite difficult for some. Only agents who want to sneak into my network will find difficulties in doing so. Thus, for those who told you that I have two FB accounts and kept one private, most likely he is one of the agents who have been unsuccessful in getting in. Hey, that is PRIVATE FB for PRIVATE FRIENDS only!


Goh Meng Seng

LoL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Goh Meng Seng]

Haha, you said this because there is nothing in you worth trusting.

Goh Meng Seng

I have seen people stupid enough to imagine moles everywhere. Or maybe it is an excuse not to be truthful. Shrugs.

 

[Thick Face Black Heart]

We will wait for our learned bro to respond. I am sure he will.

GMS: kin leh!

Read GMS reply. Its a great laugh!! :-) LOL!

Notice how the period when he graduated from NUS to the time he joined WP in early 2000's is a big black hole. 6-7 years of his life unaccounted for.

 

[scroobal]

He was undergoing seal training, counter-intelligence tactics and explosives making. When he came out after 5 years, the six pack was impressive. He used to tie a bandana around his head, his hair curly and long and the body tanned. I remember he mumbled more than he talked.

Read GMS reply. Its a great laugh!! :-) LOL!Notice how the period when he graduated from NUS to the time he joined WP in early 2000's is a big black hole. 6-7 years of his life unaccounted for.

 

[scroobal]

You underestimating the capabilities of the Service. Many decades ago, Lee Siew Choh was shocked what they knew. He hastily arranged for a press conference at his clinic to show all devices found in his house. Just before the press conference, he also found more devices and this time in his clinic. The press journalists from all newspaper were there and briefed, the photographers took numerous photographs of the devices from every angle. The next day, Siew Choh was schocked to find out that none of it appeared in any of the newspaper including the rabble rousing Chinese press. This was long before the press restrictions and long before Chua sisters were born. When you join politics you can safely assume that every millilitres of your expressed urine can be measured. Good politicians assume that and don't get paranoid. What they have to worry about is a colleague, staff, girlfriend writing expose or revealing things. Occasionally they fuck up like the penetration of accounts via pacific net or the recent case where the lady found the tap coming from MHA. Anyway you guys have nothing to worry about.

Dear Golden Dragon,Now, I am more interested in counter-intelligence and I have made lives quite difficult for some. Only agents who want to sneak into my network will find difficulties in doing so. Thus, for those who told you that I have two FB accounts and kept one private, most likely he is one of the agents who have been unsuccessful in getting in. Hey, that is PRIVATE FB for PRIVATE FRIENDS only! Goh Meng Seng

 

[scroobal]

If you are not the primary target or threat, you will be approached in some manner or via a third party. There is always prior background checks and interviews with people that you have worked with, studied, drink coffee etc. Then the surveillance. If you are routine bound and simple, nothing much to do. You probably do not realise that you have been talked to. The purpose of intelligence is not to turn you over, convert you, hire you or do something something for them. Different people are treated differently. The use of proxy is well known. When Tan Tarn How approached E-Jay it was not e-Jay they were interested in but Joe Ong.

Your worry is not Singapore authorities. It's the Malaysian, Indonesian intelligence or even other foreign entities. Dossiers must be updated, current climate of opposition parties must be put up etc. You probably thinking that you are talking to a born Singaporean who went SAP and NUS, but that guy is working for the Malaysian Special Branch. Our Intelligence is to make sure that is avoided.

As you operate from foreign soil, it becomes a little tricky for all parties. After all what was Gilbert Goh doing in OZ. Who were his associates. If you know your history, Cultural medallion winners Kuo Pao Kun and wife Goh Lay Kun were not communist front members but were actual members of CPM satellite units and their recruitment was done in Australia by a well educated team of doctors with Singapore roots. The world is not that simple. There are donkeys like Uncle Yap and there are extremely smart people like Kuo who was also born with a silver spoon.

But Scroobal has made a mistake here. I will be the last one whom ISD would approach for "cooperation" because I am considered "hardcore" rebel. The only subtle attempt is to try to persuade me to "work from within PAP" to change it but I have brushed it off immediately.Goh Meng Seng

 

[steffychun]

How about my question on the Ng Chee brothers

 

[scroobal]

No idea but I don't think there is story behind it. SID is not getting anywhere. The foundation on fieldcraft is not there from the start. It is now technical and satellite imaging is the new frontier together with the old art of signit. The chap is F16 pilot, Pres scholar. Harvard, Cambridge etc so the satellite focus would be good to have him. A lot of them are getting bored and for sometime they encourage them to work in the private sector and in overseas postings. They keep both salaries and send sitreps. Indonesia, Malaysia, Thailand will continue as their main focus.

The moment you put military behind it, it will swing that way. ISD has clear edge. ISD approach is also better. They can spot talent in Police mid career. Some things you can never train. Look at GD, did street beat, street smart and then crossed over. Network really sui - people fart 5 miles away also know.

In the old days, the Police chaps crossed over. Not anymore. Totally dedicated to reports and analysis. Collate from private agencies, think tanks etc. I remember a chap who took 4 years to do his Pre-U is now a PHD doing reports on vulnerable Indonesian entry points with LKY School. And they rely on that. Take Sydney Jones for example. One gets more info from the ground from her about Indonesia psyche then anyone else.

The Ng brothers like most know that it is not a career so do short projects so that they can enter GLC. Why would you want to doing any foundation work. The young ones come, so impressed with all high tech stuff and become so dismayed that Malaysian Special Branch keep picking them out like supermarket shopping. They even tried entry thru 3rd countries such as India and also got fucked. Even PRC put away one in prison.

If Russians standing out like a sore thumb in a country like Malaysia still can compromise Mahathir's key political secretary when he became PM designate, it tells alot. What have we got?

When they compromised one of us, the report went up concluding that they never expected Malaysians to spend that amount of money in an op.

How about my question on the Ng Chee brothers

 

[SneeringTree]

My new question is this: How did this thread even generate 6000 plus page views? That's hell lot of people reading but very few actually posting.

 

[HedgeTrader]

There're suspicious characters in this forum LOL GMS runs to and fro HK but still army captain. Reminds me of Taiwan Tornado 司令 but he just don't have the saat look. Ram left police and left Singapore for many years. Then suddenly come back can join NTUC and then WP. Big gap in resume. What the hell he did abroad all those years?

 

[steffychun]

No idea but I don't think there is story behind it. SID is not getting anywhere. The foundation on fieldcraft is not there from the start. It is now technical and satellite imaging is the new frontier together with the old art of signit. The chap is F16 pilot, Pres scholar. Harvard, Cambridge etc so the satellite focus would be good to have him. A lot of them are getting bored and for sometime they encourage them to work in the private sector and in overseas postings. They keep both salaries and send sitreps. Indonesia, Malaysia, Thailand will continue as their main focus.

The moment you put military behind it, it will swing that way. ISD has clear edge. ISD approach is also better. They can spot talent in Police mid career. Some things you can never train. Look at GD, did street beat, street smart and then crossed over. Network really sui - people fart 5 miles away also know.

In the old days, the Police chaps crossed over. Not anymore. Totally dedicated to reports and analysis. Collate from private agencies, think tanks etc. I remember a chap who took 4 years to do his Pre-U is now a PHD doing reports on vulnerable Indonesian entry points with LKY School. And they rely on that. Take Sydney Jones for example. One gets more info from the ground from her about Indonesia psyche then anyone else.

The Ng brothers like most know that it is not a career so do short projects so that they can enter GLC. Why would you want to doing any foundation work. The young ones come, so impressed with all high tech stuff and become so dismayed that Malaysian Special Branch keep picking them out like supermarket shopping. They even tried entry thru 3rd countries such as India and also got fucked. Even PRC put away one in prison.

If Russians standing out like a sore thumb in a country like Malaysia still can compromise Mahathir's key political secretary when he became PM designate, it tells alot. What have we got?

When they compromised one of us, the report went up concluding that they never expected Malaysians to spend that amount of money in an op.

Ng Chee Khern was the least likely person in my view to be SID head. SID head is usually a lousy BG who can never get the 2-star or important perm sec job. Evne more interesting is why the trust all the three Ng brothers to be in the top positions of the military-civil complex. Next generation of Lees or neo-Lees?

 

[Goh Meng Seng]

Scroobal,

I know of that episode. LSC was surrounded by agents as well.

I don't get paranoid but to me, just tasteless mind games most of the time. Only people with some scandals or some scandalous secrets or skeletons need to be paranoid and afraid of being tapped. As for political secrets, it will never be communicated through any electronic means; most of the time, the intricate political calculations, intent and moves are just hidden deep inside the mind, never to be recorded or communicated at all.

Information is only communicated need to know basis. Disinformation is also communicated only need to misinform basis so that you will know and confirm the "leaks" when the time is right.

In order to protect information and our family members, they are not even told of any "top secret". You are right, most of the time feelers are sent to family members, friends and associates. There are ways to handle that.

In short, I will only let them know what I want them to know.

Of course, the part about foreign intelligence, that is another matter after all.

Goh Meng Seng

You underestimating the capabilities of the Service. Many decades ago, Lee Siew Choh was shocked what they knew. He hastily arranged for a press conference at his clinic to show all devices found in his house. Just before the press conference, he also found more devices and this time in his clinic. The press journalists from all newspaper were there and briefed, the photographers took numerous photographs of the devices from every angle. The next day, Siew Choh was schocked to find out that none of it appeared in any of the newspaper including the rabble rousing Chinese press. This was long before the press restrictions and long before Chua sisters were born. When you join politics you can safely assume that every millilitres of your expressed urine can be measured. Good politicians assume that and don't get paranoid. What they have to worry about is a colleague, staff, girlfriend writing expose or revealing things. Occasionally they fuck up like the penetration of accounts via pacific net or the recent case where the lady found the tap coming from MHA. Anyway you guys have nothing to worry about.

 

[Goh Meng Seng]

Read GMS reply. Its a great laugh!! :-) LOL!

Notice how the period when he graduated from NUS to the time he joined WP in early 2000's is a big black hole. 6-7 years of his life unaccounted for.

To you may be "big black hole", to them, they know even more about me during this period through MADCOW.

Goh Meng Seng

 

[Thick Face Black Heart]

To you may be "big black hole", to them, they know even more about me during this period through MADCOW.

Goh Meng Seng

Don't worry bro I am just yanking your chain. Good to see your sense of humour is back. Quite a few of my associates lost their during the GE and never recovered. I thought you might suffer the same fate, but then I forgot your are madcow. That's good to see.

 

[Thick Face Black Heart]

My new question is this: How did this thread even generate 6000 plus page views? That's hell lot of people reading but very few actually posting.

A lot of it is search engine algo at work.

 

[eatshitndie]

He was undergoing seal training, counter-intelligence tactics and explosives making. When he came out after 5 years, the six pack was impressive. He used to tie a bandana around his head, his hair curly and long and the body tanned. I remember he mumbled more than he talked.

and he is still wearing the same stinking pants from decades ago. wonder if he actually makes an attempt to wash it.

 

[scroobal]

As long as you follow any model of democratic politics. No need to worry. Just 10 years ago any form of politics was considered taboo and that was the impression that the PAP wanted to have.

I know that when Chiam threw his hat into the ring, eveyyone in the establishment got confused. The communist bogeyman could not be used. Subversion, chauvinism, racism, industrial unrest, civic disturbance all could not fit Chiam. They gave up. Old man finally came out with O level passes. So pathetic.

ISD operatives were laughing because the bosses seem lost. This guy has his car vandalised and he walks to Police station, never throws his weight, queues up to lodge report, nice to everyone and walks out with a copy of report.

They could not touch Chiam but their patience paid off. They knew the usual band troublemakers will join the party and they were blessed.

Scroobal,

I know of that episode. LSC was surrounded by agents as well.

I don't get paranoid but to me, just tasteless mind games most of the time. Only people with some scandals or some scandalous secrets or skeletons need to be paranoid and afraid of being tapped. As for political secrets, it will never be communicated through any electronic means; most of the time, the intricate political calculations, intent and moves are just hidden deep inside the mind, never to be recorded or communicated at all.

Information is only communicated need to know basis. Disinformation is also communicated only need to misinform basis so that you will know and confirm the "leaks" when the time is right.

In order to protect information and our family members, they are not even told of any "top secret". You are right, most of the time feelers are sent to family members, friends and associates. There are ways to handle that.

In short, I will only let them know what I want them to know.

Of course, the part about foreign intelligence, that is another matter after all.

Goh Meng Seng

 

[scroobal]

They needed the help of the americans for satellite spying, He is was trained by Americans and stationed in the US for a while. He is also close to the subject matter.

Ng Chee Khern was the least likely person in my view to be SID head. SID head is usually a lousy BG who can never get the 2-star or important perm sec job. Evne more interesting is why the trust all the three Ng brothers to be in the top positions of the military-civil complex. Next generation of Lees or neo-Lees?

 

[steffychun]

They needed the help of the americans for satellite spying, He is was trained by Americans and stationed in the US for a while. He is also close to the subject matter.

Don't buy it. Three brothers, all with high positions.

 

[Ramseth]

ISD stands for Internal Security Department. Its power and duty are defined in ISA, Internal Security Act. You can go Google for it or ask a lawyer for it. The question that whether ISA overempowered ISD officers is irrelavant at law. You should vote for someone into power to reduce or reverse it if you think so. If you voted and still lost, shut the fuck up if you still believe in democracy and accept majority wins, not what you think or say wins.