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Let Us Remember LKY When He Was In His Prime

TracyTan866

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Traditionally asian societies revere their elders by remembering them in their best days.

Shouldnt Singaporeans be allowed to remember LKY in his best days when he was handsome, sharp, articulate and combative?

Can I urge MSM and the pap to stop the indignity to LKY and stop publicising LKY in his ghostly and emancipated looks.

I want to remember LKY in his best days
 

laksaboy

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he did some good in his early days

Nope he didn't.

If you're referring to the economy, give your thanks to Albert Winsemius.

LKY was the one who had backstabbed his Barisan Socialis buddy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lim_Chin_Siong#Decline


LKY has done fuck all, except hoarding more wealth and power for his family and cronies.

No wonder he and Suharto were bosom buddies. Birds of a feather flock together. :rolleyes:
 
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Asterix

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In my humble opinion, this is the correct way to remember dat Old Fart, in other words, never again shall Sinkies follow blindly, and in one word - MEAN :

The New Paper’s front page on 31 March 2011 asks: “Why so mean?”. The question relates to the attacks on new PAP candidate, 27-year old Tin Pei Ling.

The answer to the question is manifold. But I will stick to one which I thinks is relevant.

The PAP Government, over the 53 years it has been in power, is not known for its magnanimity or grace. Lee Kuan Yew, of course, can be held responsible for this, being as he was the one who sat on the throne, and still is the man behind the one who sits on the throne.

Lee Kuan Yew’s influence, make no mistake, runs deep and wide in the PAP and the government. It is thus without a doubt that his ways influence and are practised by the lower-rungs in the government. Anyone who thinks otherwise must be completely naive.

Lee Kuan Yew’s influence too spreads far and wide in Singapore society. Indeed, many hold him up as some sort of demi-god, and fall to their feet at his very presence.

With this in context, lets take a look at some of the things Lee Kuan Yew has said about some people whom he dislikes or has – evidently – utter contempt for.

It is a lesson in meanness.

Lee Kuan Yew has :

- Called the late Mr JB Jeyaretnam a “mangy dog”.

- Called former president Devan Nair an “alcoholic”

- Called James Gomez a “liar and a cheat”

- Called Chee Soon Juan a “psychopath”

- Called Chee Soon Juan a “dud”

- Called Tang Liang Hong a “anti-Christian Chinese chauvinist”

- Called former solicitor-general Francis Seow a “womaniser”

- Called Singaporeans “dogs” – “We had to train adult dogs who even today deliberately urinate in the lifts.”

- Called Singaporeans “daft”

- Compared Singaporeans to animals – “the spurs are not stuck on your hinds. They are part of the herd”

- Called Singaporeans “ignorant”

- Vowed that he will “make him [JB Jeyaretnam] crawl on his bended knees, and beg for mercy.”

- Called Low Thia Khiang “dishonest”

- Called Sylvia Lim “dishonest”

- Said this of author Catherine Lim: “If you think you can hurt me more than I can hurt you, try.”

- Displayed gangster like behaviour towards JB Jeyaretnam: “Everybody knows that in my bag I have a hatchet, and a very sharp one. You take me on, I take my hatchet, we meet in the cul-de-sac.”

- Called Australia “the white trash of Asia”

- He locked up Said Zahari for 22 years.

- He locked up Lim Hock Siew for 16 years.

- He locked up Vincent Cheng for 3 years.

- He locked up Teo Soh Lung for 2 years.

- He locked up Chia Thye Poh for 32 years, totally incapacitated him.

You get the idea.

Of course, citing all these quotes and behaviour of Lee Kuan Yew does not mean what is being done to Tin Pei Ling is justified. And I am not justifying the attacks on the poor girl.

I am, however, trying to offer a reason why those who are attacking her, are doing so.

In the past, when Lee Kuan Yew said and did all these things, Singaporeans had to just swallow it – especially when the mainstream media, a complicit tool in the merciless demolition of those Lee Kuan Yew hated, was in his full control.

But the Internet age is quite different now. And Lee Kuan Yew has no way of reining it in as he did with the newspapers when he first came to power. In fact, if I recall, Lee Kuan Yew once said he does not really understand the Internet either.

His destruction of his opponents was utter, complete and total. No mercy was shown. It was like a bulldozer running over toufu.

His opponents never had a chance.

Yet, he could have been magnanimous. He could have shown mercy. He could have been more transparent in his dealings. He could have been fairer. He could have stayed his hand.

In short, he could have set a more humane tone for society.

But he did not.

And so, we learn from him.

We must.

Cos that’s what he keeps telling and preaching and boasting and justifying to us.

So, what Tin Pei Ling is going through is nothing compared to what the PAP itself – read: Lee Kuan Yew – did to those he hated.

The point here is this: The PAP needs to take a long hard look at itself and ask if it has become a party full of arrogance, complacency, and high-handedness.

A people subjugated and ridiculed by its own leaders must give vent in some ways.

And the Internet provides this now.

So, you may not condone the attacks on Tin Pei Ling, but you can understand why these happen – if you take a long hard look in the mirror.

Why so mean?

The answer can be found if the question is directed at Lee Kuan Yew.

http://onesingaporean.wordpress.com/2011/03/31/why-so-mean-heres-why/
 
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Agoraphobic

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He was a very competent and adroit politician. Anyone who got in his was eradicated. And for this, he held on to power and remained there during the time of Singapore's progress and growth. You should give credit to the working people who build the country and not all the accolades to him. This is somewhat overdone.

Cheers!

he did some good in his early days
 

laksaboy

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Sinkies worshipping LKY is as illogical as Jews praising Hitler.

He hates your guts. He hates our guts. If he could cull you on the spot and then get away with it, he would.
 

Seee3

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Pride, a word that is hard to understand, especially of the older generation. When my mum was bedridden, though not terminal, she refused to sit on a wheel chair. She also refused visitors as she did not want anybody to see her disfigured body caused by muscle wasting away. However, every morning, she would brush her hair, the only thing she could do on her own to upkeep her appearance. She stayed indoor all day till the end because she didn't want anybody to see her in the state she was in. No amount of persuasion could change her mind to let others bring her out for some fresh air. Her lost of mobility and inability to take care of her own basic needs killed her soul.

When I see the picture, it brought back memories. I see the fight within the mind to remain independent or rather to appear independent. A wise man should know that when one aged, the rate of damage/death of existing cells in our body will be faster than the production of new ones. Like it or not, it is nature's way and no amount of science or medical know how can change that yet. Therefore, the sensible way is to preserve the precious remaining functioning cells in our body for as long as possible. This would mean accepting the condition and minimize unnecessary activities. We can see the Thai King doing just that.

In life , the things that are important to us will change as we aged, moving from toys, to looking good and girls, to wealth...and ultimately to health and finally the ability to breathe. However, many focus only on the "wants" when we were young and cling on to them, missing the important things we actually need for the ending part of our journey.
 

TracyTan866

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In my humble opinion, this is the correct way to remember dat Old Fart, in other words, never again shall Sinkies follow blindly, and in one word - MEAN :

The New Paper’s front page on 31 March 2011 asks: “Why so mean?”. The question relates to the attacks on new PAP candidate, 27-year old Tin Pei Ling.

The answer to the question is manifold. But I will stick to one which I thinks is relevant.

The PAP Government, over the 53 years it has been in power, is not known for its magnanimity or grace. Lee Kuan Yew, of course, can be held responsible for this, being as he was the one who sat on the throne, and still is the man behind the one who sits on the throne.

Lee Kuan Yew’s influence, make no mistake, runs deep and wide in the PAP and the government. It is thus without a doubt that his ways influence and are practised by the lower-rungs in the government. Anyone who thinks otherwise must be completely naive.

Lee Kuan Yew’s influence too spreads far and wide in Singapore society. Indeed, many hold him up as some sort of demi-god, and fall to their feet at his very presence.

With this in context, lets take a look at some of the things Lee Kuan Yew has said about some people whom he dislikes or has – evidently – utter contempt for.

It is a lesson in meanness.

Lee Kuan Yew has :

- Called the late Mr JB Jeyaretnam a “mangy dog”.

- Called former president Devan Nair an “alcoholic”

- Called James Gomez a “liar and a cheat”

- Called Chee Soon Juan a “psychopath”

- Called Chee Soon Juan a “dud”

- Called Tang Liang Hong a “anti-Christian Chinese chauvinist”

- Called former solicitor-general Francis Seow a “womaniser”

- Called Singaporeans “dogs” – “We had to train adult dogs who even today deliberately urinate in the lifts.”

- Called Singaporeans “daft”

- Compared Singaporeans to animals – “the spurs are not stuck on your hinds. They are part of the herd”

- Called Singaporeans “ignorant”

- Vowed that he will “make him [JB Jeyaretnam] crawl on his bended knees, and beg for mercy.”

- Called Low Thia Khiang “dishonest”

- Called Sylvia Lim “dishonest”

- Said this of author Catherine Lim: “If you think you can hurt me more than I can hurt you, try.”

- Displayed gangster like behaviour towards JB Jeyaretnam: “Everybody knows that in my bag I have a hatchet, and a very sharp one. You take me on, I take my hatchet, we meet in the cul-de-sac.”

- Called Australia “the white trash of Asia”

- He locked up Said Zahari for 22 years.

- He locked up Lim Hock Siew for 16 years.

- He locked up Vincent Cheng for 3 years.

- He locked up Teo Soh Lung for 2 years.

- He locked up Chia Thye Poh for 32 years, totally incapacitated him.

You get the idea.

Of course, citing all these quotes and behaviour of Lee Kuan Yew does not mean what is being done to Tin Pei Ling is justified. And I am not justifying the attacks on the poor girl.

I am, however, trying to offer a reason why those who are attacking her, are doing so.

In the past, when Lee Kuan Yew said and did all these things, Singaporeans had to just swallow it – especially when the mainstream media, a complicit tool in the merciless demolition of those Lee Kuan Yew hated, was in his full control.

But the Internet age is quite different now. And Lee Kuan Yew has no way of reining it in as he did with the newspapers when he first came to power. In fact, if I recall, Lee Kuan Yew once said he does not really understand the Internet either.

His destruction of his opponents was utter, complete and total. No mercy was shown. It was like a bulldozer running over toufu.

His opponents never had a chance.

Yet, he could have been magnanimous. He could have shown mercy. He could have been more transparent in his dealings. He could have been fairer. He could have stayed his hand.

In short, he could have set a more humane tone for society.

But he did not.

And so, we learn from him.

We must.

Cos that’s what he keeps telling and preaching and boasting and justifying to us.

So, what Tin Pei Ling is going through is nothing compared to what the PAP itself – read: Lee Kuan Yew – did to those he hated.

The point here is this: The PAP needs to take a long hard look at itself and ask if it has become a party full of arrogance, complacency, and high-handedness.

A people subjugated and ridiculed by its own leaders must give vent in some ways.

And the Internet provides this now.

So, you may not condone the attacks on Tin Pei Ling, but you can understand why these happen – if you take a long hard look in the mirror.

Why so mean?

The answer can be found if the question is directed at Lee Kuan Yew.

http://onesingaporean.wordpress.com/2011/03/31/why-so-mean-heres-why/

wow...what a mean legacy LKY has
 

TracyTan866

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He was a very competent and adroit politician. Anyone who got in his was eradicated. And for this, he held on to power and remained there during the time of Singapore's progress and growth. You should give credit to the working people who build the country and not all the accolades to him. This is somewhat overdone.

Cheers!

yes, credit to the hardworking Singaporeans
 

TracyTan866

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Pride, a word that is hard to understand, especially of the older generation. When my mum was bedridden, though not terminal, she refused to sit on a wheel chair. She also refused visitors as she did not want anybody to see her disfigured body caused by muscle wasting away. However, every morning, she would brush her hair, the only thing she could do on her own to upkeep her appearance. She stayed indoor all day till the end because she didn't want anybody to see her in the state she was in. No amount of persuasion could change her mind to let others bring her out for some fresh air. Her lost of mobility and inability to take care of her own basic needs killed her soul.

When I see the picture, it brought back memories. I see the fight within the mind to remain independent or rather to appear independent. A wise man should know that when one aged, the rate of damage/death of existing cells in our body will be faster than the production of new ones. Like it or not, it is nature's way and no amount of science or medical know how can change that yet. Therefore, the sensible way is to preserve the precious remaining functioning cells in our body for as long as possible. This would mean accepting the condition and minimize unnecessary activities. We can see the Thai King doing just that.

In life , the things that are important to us will change as we aged, moving from toys, to looking good and girls, to wealth...and ultimately to health and finally the ability to breathe. However, many focus only on the "wants" when we were young and cling on to them, missing the important things we actually need for the ending part of our journey.

Thank you for sharing your wisdom and experience. You have a brave and courageous mum
 
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tanwahtiu

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he should die young, for your sake.

He deserves what he is today clinging to parliament at his age exposing his near death old fart dead body figure.



Traditionally asian societies revere their elders by remembering them in their best days.

Shouldnt Singaporeans be allowed to remember LKY in his best days when he was handsome, sharp, articulate and combative?

Can I urge MSM and the pap to stop the indignity to LKY and stop publicising LKY in his ghostly and emancipated looks.

I want to remember LKY in his best days
 

TracyTan866

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he should die young, for your sake.

He deserves what he is today clinging to parliament at his age exposing his near death old fart dead body figure.

actually he did it himself.

as a TP GRC MP, he ought to be in public and be photographed often
 

McDonaldsKid

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Great post by Asterix there.

LKY did a lot of good for Singapore, that's for sure. Somewhere along the way though, something went wrong. I wonder if there was any specific incident or a series. I just can't believe that he set out to create the monster that PAP has become though.
 

tanwahtiu

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TP voters would have good chance of getting rid of him in 1989 GE. He changes GRC system to save his own life and is a coward.



He was a very competent and adroit politician. Anyone who got in his was eradicated. And for this, he held on to power and remained there during the time of Singapore's progress and growth. You should give credit to the working people who build the country and not all the accolades to him. This is somewhat overdone.

Cheers!
 

TracyTan866

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Great post by Asterix there.

LKY did a lot of good for Singapore, that's for sure. Somewhere along the way though, something went wrong. I wonder if there was any specific incident or a series. I just can't believe that he set out to create the monster that PAP has become though.

Well said, McDonaldsKid. It baffles many to see how LKY transformed from the great hero he was in early days to the monster in his latter years.
 
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