Why Mas selamat brother was not being monitor asked Hri Kumar Nair MP Bishan-Toa Payo

[Ramseth]

Re: Why Mas selamat brother was not being monitor asked Hri Kumar Nair MP Bishan-Toa

Technology nowadays quite advanced. Such devices can last for at least 2 weeks. No problem.

OK then. Let them bug. Damn if you're bugged (police state, no privacy), damn if you're not bugged (police useless, indecisive, never bug people).

 

[halsey02]

Re: Why Mas selamat brother was not being monitor asked Hri Kumar Nair MP Bishan-Toa

OK then. Let them bug. Damn if you're bugged (police state, no privacy), damn if you're not bugged (police useless, indecisive, never bug people).

No need, once again, a pir of binoculars will do, from across the block:p, why need all these CCTV, 'bugs'...why not remote control drones..??

 

[Ramseth]

Re: Why Mas selamat brother was not being monitor asked Hri Kumar Nair MP Bishan-Toa

No need, once again, a pir of binoculars will do, from across the block:p, why need all these CCTV, 'bugs'...why not remote control drones..??

Have you watched too many movies?

Anyway, I've mentioned, not all blocks have opposite blocks for binocular or even telescopic surveillance. Even if available, what would the neighbourhood passers-by think? Why not send an helicopter to hover around?

 

[Narong Wongwan]

Re: Why Mas selamat brother was not being monitor asked Hri Kumar Nair MP Bishan-Toa

Its already a police state and the information of individuals (which are registered) are easily accessible by agencies with authorisation. I wonder how often these information has been abused before they implemented control over .

Think about it , your bank activities, internet activities, iras activities are sources for profiling. Some organisation out there has been collating data and keeping tabs on all of us since day 1.

I remember the stories of a urban legend ;those born between 1963-65 had a docile kept and marked somewhere. And remember White Horse classification system.

The only things that they can't keep tabs on if you do things off the system. Which probably shows why Mas' brother was not on the watchlist or the likelihood involvement.

Someone here mentioned about raiding the relatives house when Mas escape. I guess if they did that without much contemplation ; the whole Muslim community will cry foul on that here.

I remember the raid on Francis Seow's son house.....no one cried foul

 

[Narong Wongwan]

Re: Why Mas selamat brother was not being monitor asked Hri Kumar Nair MP Bishan-Toa

Talking about surveillance, i know there are alot of policemen disguised as durian sellers in Potong Pasir

 

[@rmadill0]

Re: Why Mas selamat brother was not being monitor asked Hri Kumar Nair MP Bishan-Toa

I believed Asmon's flat was monitored. Or at least, this is what I would like to believe. If the police or ISD do not even bother to put the next of kins under watch, then I will be very worry about their ability to keep us safe.

Assuming that they are watched, there are 2 ways of doing it in my opinion. Open watch. Station uniformed personnel at the entry/exit points of the HDB block. Advantage - MSK unlikely to take approach the block and that is also the disadvantage, harder to apprehend him.

Second way will be to watch secretly, which means that the officers will have to hide somewhere and not be seen. The advantage of this would be MSK might think that the place is not watched and thus making contact with the brother, like in this case. However, the disadvantage would be if you are monitoring from a place or angles with blind spots, there is a chance of missing. I do believe that is the case here.

This would also explained why Sham remained evasive on the question on whether the brother's flat was under surveillance. If he had said yes, next question that he would have to answer would be how they missed him. To answer that, he might have to go into details on how the officers are stationed and deployed and such disclosure might not be productive as criminals or escaped terrorist next time will know exactly how to evade them.

 

[TNP(Tua Neh Pau)]

Re: Why Mas selamat brother was not being monitor asked Hri Kumar Nair MP Bishan-Toa

It seems there are so many 'professionals' here talking about what should had been done in re-capturing MSK. Maybe you guys could send in your application to the Police or ISD indicating your area of expertise instead of letting go cannon here.

I'm amazed that people could make lengthy discussions based merely on speculations and own imaginations.

 

[mollusk]

Re: Why Mas selamat brother was not being monitor asked Hri Kumar Nair MP Bishan-Toa

It seems there are so many 'professionals' here talking about what should had been done in re-capturing MSK. Maybe you guys could send in your application to the Police or ISD indicating your area of expertise instead of letting go cannon here.

I'm amazed that people could make lengthy discussions based merely on speculations and own imaginations.

haha..all members here previously from NATO

 

[halsey02]

Re: Why Mas selamat brother was not being monitor asked Hri Kumar Nair MP Bishan-Toa

Have you watched too many movies?

Anyway, I've mentioned, not all blocks have opposite blocks for binocular or even telescopic surveillance. Even if available, what would the neighbourhood passers-by think? Why not send an helicopter to hover around?

Remember the double agent, who was on a secret rendezous with KGB agents at Stamford Hotel?, the CIA agents disguised themselves as sweepers & took high quality pictures..

Why can't the just simply station someone opposite the block with a binoculars, last time walkie talkie...now mobile phone...connecting to control..

btw, do our police force have helicopters? like the SF or LA police??

 

[GoldenDragon]

Re: Why Mas selamat brother was not being monitor asked Hri Kumar Nair MP Bishan-Toa

It seems there are so many 'professionals' here talking about what should had been done in re-capturing MSK. Maybe you guys could send in your application to the Police or ISD indicating your area of expertise instead of letting go cannon here.

I'm amazed that people could make lengthy discussions based merely on speculations and own imaginations.

I am even more amazed you believe Shanmugam's version of events. Why are people speculating and imagining various other scenarios? I am pleased and encouraged to know that we have intelligent chaps who do not simply swallow what was dished out.

Why we don't send in our applications to join the police and ISD? In the first place, we were under the impression such simple matters don't require our professional expertise.

Secondly, our expertise may not be accepted coz if we want the truth and nothing but thed truth to be revealed, do you think we will be accepted? What they want is politically correct subordinates - blind loyalty and compliance.

An average "brain" will question Shanmugam's statements. Tell me how the disclosure whether the Tampines flat was under surveillance affects operational security. Tell me, please.

 

[wahlaneh]

Re: Why Mas selamat brother was not being monitor asked Hri Kumar Nair MP Bishan-Toa

wahlaneh...
why monitor his brother when he is the 1 kana detention n ran away?

 

[GoldenDragon]

Re: Why Mas selamat brother was not being monitor asked Hri Kumar Nair MP Bishan-Toa

Remember the double agent, who was on a secret rendezous with KGB agents at Stamford Hotel?, the CIA agents disguised themselves as sweepers & took high quality pictures..

Why can't the just simply station someone opposite the block with a binoculars, last time walkie talkie...now mobile phone...connecting to control..

btw, do our police force have helicopters? like the SF or LA police??

No helicopters yet. Previous CP too afraid to take risks and other admin matters. This CP maybe. You have to do something your predecessors didn't.

 

[GoldenDragon]

Re: Why Mas selamat brother was not being monitor asked Hri Kumar Nair MP Bishan-Toa

I believed Asmon's flat was monitored. Or at least, this is what I would like to believe. If the police or ISD do not even bother to put the next of kins under watch, then I will be very worry about their ability to keep us safe.

There can only be 2 possibilities here - monitored or not monitored.

If monitored and missed target, I think the blame can be pinned on the officers involved. Easier this way. Decision makers made right decision to monitor.

If not monitored despite being brother of target, TROUBLE! They could have assumed since no contact for 2 years and not living there, why bother to waste manpower. Remember, the three harbourers were called for statements and denied knowledge of MSK. If the place was monitored, why the need to interview the three?

 

[syed putra]

Re: Why Mas selamat brother was not being monitor asked Hri Kumar Nair MP Bishan-Toa

A possible staged escape?
then allowed to swim across the straits to malaysia, where he was observed and any contacts made recorded?
as he speaks malay, maybe singaporeans mata cannot speak the language anymore, and dontch understand a word he was saying, so pass the bugger to mats.

 

[heartlander]

Re: Why Mas selamat brother was not being monitor asked Hri Kumar Nair MP Bishan-Toa

Being a critic of the armchair police doesn't mean you've swallowed Shanmugam's stories whole. Neither does being skeptical about his explanations mean you would have done better. Any contrarian idiot can be a skeptic. There are many of those here.

I am even more amazed you believe Shanmugam's version of events. Why are people speculating and imagining various other scenarios? I am pleased and encouraged to know that we have intelligent chaps who do not simply swallow what was dished out.

Why we don't send in our applications to join the police and ISD? In the first place, we were under the impression such simple matters don't require our professional expertise.

Secondly, our expertise may not be accepted coz if we want the truth and nothing but thed truth to be revealed, do you think we will be accepted? What they want is politically correct subordinates - blind loyalty and compliance.

An average "brain" will question Shanmugam's statements. Tell me how the disclosure whether the Tampines flat was under surveillance affects operational security. Tell me, please.

 

[rofthelper]

Re: Why Mas selamat brother was not being monitor asked Hri Kumar Nair MP Bishan-Toa

They can put a bug in your bedroom, your living room, dining room, etc. harbans singh had a bug in his chandelier for years, did not know it was there till he was cleaning it.

Bro, you mean this harbans singh, who is sued by LKY in 1972?

http://presspedia.journalism.sg/doku.php?id=cases:1972

 

[Ramseth]

Re: Why Mas selamat brother was not being monitor asked Hri Kumar Nair MP Bishan-Toa

Anyway, I've mentioned, not all blocks have opposite blocks for binocular or even telescopic surveillance. Even if available, what would the neighbourhood passers-by think? Why not send an helicopter to hover around?

Why can't the just simply station someone opposite the block with a binoculars, last time walkie talkie...now mobile phone...connecting to control..

Why are you asking an answer with the same question that's been answered?

Anyway, it's refreshing that suddenly so many Singaporeans are supporting ISA and CLTPA detention without trial before MSK kill anyone yet and just because a few gangsters chopping up each other. Frankly, I think Singaporeans should start with the question, why should MSK be detained without trial if Singapore is about rule of law and democracy. But no, Singaporeans are loud cowards hiding under government skirts. Loud when nothing happens and hiding when something happens. What about SDP? What have they got to say about this? Even when nothing happens, what have MSK done to amount to an attempt?

 

[halsey02]

Re: Why Mas selamat brother was not being monitor asked Hri Kumar Nair MP Bishan-Toa

A possible staged escape?
then allowed to swim across the straits to malaysia, where he was observed and any contacts made recorded?
as he speaks malay, maybe singaporeans mata cannot speak the language anymore, and dontch understand a word he was saying, so pass the bugger to mats.

You mean they have strum the guitars too much & sang too many Led Zepplin's "Black Dog" or Deep Purple " Smoke On The Water" or Bad Company " Bad Company" too much, that they have forgotten to use Malay?

 

[halsey02]

Re: Why Mas selamat brother was not being monitor asked Hri Kumar Nair MP Bishan-Toa

Why are you asking an answer with the same question that's been answered?

Getting old lah!, foggy brain!:p the blain used to be mutlti-channel, now MONAURAL... let's move on...

 

[mscitw]

Re: Why Mas selamat brother was not being monitor asked Hri Kumar Nair MP Bishan-Toa

It is well known fact that Gestapo and Poodles only monitor closely regime's dissenters. Clowns e.g. Mas are classified as low danger because he only hatch silly plots to run amok around housing estates. In addition, WKS has been promoted to another dept while the peasants' representatives pretended to grill 山木根. In addition, the Mouthpiece claimed some peasants said it is not practical for well paid regime lackeys to monitor Mas's relatives. Nice excuses for the inept lackeys.