Why Mas selamat brother was not being monitor asked Hri Kumar Nair MP Bishan-Toa Payo

[Dreamer1]

Re: Why Mas selamat brother was not being monitor asked Hri Kumar Nair MP Bishan-Toa

I truluy miss late JBJ here.

 

[GoldenDragon]

Re: Why Mas selamat brother was not being monitor asked Hri Kumar Nair MP Bishan-Toa

I truluy miss late JBJ here.

I can arrange for medium to facilitate a meeting with JBJ, you keen? Must pay, not FOC.

 

[Papsmearer]

Re: Why Mas selamat brother was not being monitor asked Hri Kumar Nair MP Bishan-Toa

Nonsense from these chaps.

We all knew there was surveillance and 'some other things' done to find out the whereabouts of MSK. Surveillance is the most basic tool. ALL PIs, even Lionel De Souza, has to conduct surveillance in the course of his assignment. Nothing sensitive on this aspect of intelligence. Don't see how this involves operational security. MORE LIKELY THEY LOST MSK EVEN WHEN SURVEILLANCE WAS ON. So, now malu, says it is not in the interest of S'pore to disclose these things. Nonsense!

MSK very good in counter-surveillance? Even my toes are laughing! What kind of counter-S techniques was he trained? I dare bet very basic coz of the time he spent 'under training'. Dare we say we are professional soldiers after 3 months BMT? Can a graduate of the 3 mths BMT completely defeat the Police, Army and ICA in the manhunt? Their strategy is simple - make MSK sound as if he was the best trained terrorist in this world so that their inadequacies won't look that bad. Don't forget - MSK is a limping terrorist.

HDB most difficult place to conduct surveillance? Another piece of shit from Lionel. What is the objective of surveillance on this case? To find out if MSK is in the flat, the movement of its occupants etc. No one asked Lionel to trail MSK or anyone for that matter inside the flat. In addition, you can even sit near ythe lift lobbies to perform your task and not hiding in some mosquito infested area. I think it got to that stage that it was open surveillance, meaning they don't bother if members of public knew their identities.

U are right on all counts, Golden. I bet right now, this article is being circulated at Mossad HQ, langley, and MI6 and they are all on the ground now, laughing. Lionel is nothing but a PAP stooge who writes in to the papers all the time and carry PAP balls. If as he says it takes 3 persons minimum to conduct a surveillance, than all PIs in singapore will not be able to follow anyone unless they hire 2 other people. That's ridiculous.

Minister Sham is now making even weaker excuses than his predecessor Wong Cunt Stink. Sham dares to say the security forces acted correctly. Wah lau, if they did, would he not be caught than? He than said that it was not in the interest of the country to reveal whether the flat was under surveillance!WTF. Are u kidding me? Its a simple question. Was the flat under surveillance or not? How is this a national security issue? He might as well come out and admit that the flat WAS NOT under surveillance. If it was, I don't see how they can miss MSK in there. What, he has a 4,000 sq ft flat, with 10 rooms to hide in? At the very least, all friends and relatives should have had their land phones and handphones tapped. They should have at least bugged the flats of all his relatives. After all, they bugged Harban's flat for years. I have maintained before, if Mas was Chee Soon Juan, there is no limit to the amount of surveillance on his family and friends including wire taps, bugs, and 24 hour surveillance.

 

[Papsmearer]

Re: Why Mas selamat brother was not being monitor asked Hri Kumar Nair MP Bishan-Toa

Have you heard of the equiptment called THE BINOCULARS...all these wayang again...election coming, we must be vigilant, we must not be complacent, we must vote for the best who can provide you with the best security (sic!)..we are the champion...we are SINgapore!!

Aiyah, surveilling the flat from another flat across from it with binos is too obvious a solution mah. If it was so simple to spend $50 on a set of binos to catch Mas, than how do they justify $100 millions budget for next year for all their hi tech gadgets to spy on the oppos?

 

[Papsmearer]

Re: Why Mas selamat brother was not being monitor asked Hri Kumar Nair MP Bishan-Toa

You've watched too many spies and detectives movies. The real world don't work that way. What's the location and storey of the flat? What building is it facing or is it completely unblocked till the horizon? If there's an opposite building, is a suitable flat available? The movie scripts made it so that all fugitives' and criminals' hideouts seem to be surveyable.

I am so surprised u never heard of a bug. So difficult to plant one meh? U can listen to every conversation in the flat. How about wiretaps? Ever heard of those? So, in the real world, it really works that way, its very easy to conduct surveillance.

 

[Papsmearer]

Re: Why Mas selamat brother was not being monitor asked Hri Kumar Nair MP Bishan-Toa

In this instance, there is no need for stealth......unformed cops should have been posted at the relatives' housing blocks to deter MAS from seeking shelter.... in effect driving him into the open...

I also wonder if the homes of relatives had been raided?.... this would deter those inclined to help MAS.

In short, it was plain INCOMPETENCE.... and Shan should just say so...otherwise his own credibility is in doubt too!

That is correct. Even if u park an uniformed police officer downstairs near the lift entrance, have him sit down, chiak chua lim kopi, etc. his very presence would deter Mas from entering the block to look for his relatives.

 

[Papsmearer]

Re: Why Mas selamat brother was not being monitor asked Hri Kumar Nair MP Bishan-Toa

One would have thought as a matter of common sense even w/o the benefit of hindsight to keep his family members (esp. a male member) under close 24/7 surveilance to rule out harbouring. This they didn't do or if they did, they somehow let him escape the dragnet. Damn malu that's why must make excuses now. To call a spade a spade, they were outmanouevered and outsmarted by a limping middle-aged uncle! What happened to all those six-packed action men toting guns and rifles? Jiakliaobi!

They are only good at scrubbing each other's backs in the police shower, and masturbating each other. Theyare SPARTANS!

 

[Dreamer1]

Re: Why Mas selamat brother was not being monitor asked Hri Kumar Nair MP Bishan-Toa

I can arrange for medium to facilitate a meeting with JBJ, you keen? Must pay, not FOC.

Sorry,worng sentence.should be

I truly miss late JBJ 's "PARLIAMENTARY PERFORMANCE" here.

Can arrange?With eternal hope waiting,I remain
yours sincerity.

 

[Ramseth]

Re: Why Mas selamat brother was not being monitor asked Hri Kumar Nair MP Bishan-Toa

I am so surprised u never heard of a bug. So difficult to plant one meh? U can listen to every conversation in the flat. How about wiretaps? Ever heard of those? So, in the real world, it really works that way, its very easy to conduct surveillance.

Bugs are redundantly outdated since Sean Connery and Roger Moore era as James Bond. With the co-operation of telcos, police can buglessly and wirelessly tap even wired phone convos by remote. It's a matter of law and law enforcement. The minister has to decide whether it warrants that or not. Otherwise, if any police officer can happily go tapping anyone's private convos for their amusement, then we have to worry about police state.

I give you one example. Your brother is wanted for some serious crime and went on the run. The police come to your house (and every other relative's house) to wire up CCTV eyes and phone bugs. How would you feel?

 

[blackmore]

Re: Why Mas selamat brother was not being monitor asked Hri Kumar Nair MP Bishan-Toa

Otherwise, if any police officer can happily go tapping anyone's private convos for their amusement, then we have to worry about police state.

Its already a police state and the information of individuals (which are registered) are easily accessible by agencies with authorisation. I wonder how often these information has been abused before they implemented control over .

Think about it , your bank activities, internet activities, iras activities are sources for profiling. Some organisation out there has been collating data and keeping tabs on all of us since day 1.

I remember the stories of a urban legend ;those born between 1963-65 had a docile kept and marked somewhere. And remember White Horse classification system.

The only things that they can't keep tabs on if you do things off the system. Which probably shows why Mas' brother was not on the watchlist or the likelihood involvement.

Someone here mentioned about raiding the relatives house when Mas escape. I guess if they did that without much contemplation ; the whole Muslim community will cry foul on that here.

 

[scroobal]

Re: Why Mas selamat brother was not being monitor asked Hri Kumar Nair MP Bishan-Toa

Homes of relatives and associates are routinely raided when someone is wanted under a major category. In Singapore, Malaysia etc, you don't need a warrant. They even do that to NS defaulters.

I am surprised that you are not aware of this. How do you think they are apprehended. The vast majority of criminals do not sit at the bus-stop waiting to be picked up and neither do they stay in their own homes until the police turn up. They always seek refuge in home of relatives, friends and associates.

The vocation of detectives were created to pull together street information to locate criminals. The term "on the run" does not mean the criminal is continuously running.

someone here mentioned about raiding the relatives house when Mas escape. I guess if they did that without much contemplation ; the whole Muslim community will cry foul on that here.

 

[GoldenDragon]

Re: Why Mas selamat brother was not being monitor asked Hri Kumar Nair MP Bishan-Toa

Sorry,worng sentence.should be

I truly miss late JBJ 's "PARLIAMENTARY PERFORMANCE" here.

Can arrange?With eternal hope waiting,I remain
yours sincerity.

Me too. No one came close to JBJ's performance in Parliament. Maybe his son will, if elected.

 

[Papsmearer]

Re: Why Mas selamat brother was not being monitor asked Hri Kumar Nair MP Bishan-Toa

Bugs are redundantly outdated since Sean Connery and Roger Moore era as James Bond. With the co-operation of telcos, police can buglessly and wirelessly tap even wired phone convos by remote. It's a matter of law and law enforcement. The minister has to decide whether it warrants that or not. Otherwise, if any police officer can happily go tapping anyone's private convos for their amusement, then we have to worry about police state.

I give you one example. Your brother is wanted for some serious crime and went on the run. The police come to your house (and every other relative's house) to wire up CCTV eyes and phone bugs. How would you feel?

Are u sure u are some kind of ex cop or what? U must be really low on the totem pole. Bug does not necessarily mean phone bug. They can put a bug in your bedroom, your living room, dining room, etc. harbans singh had a bug in his chandelier for years, did not know it was there till he was cleaning it. If you put a bug in the living quarters, u can pick up conversations in the room. Trust me when i tell u certain agencies in singapore can match voice prints. The ISD are experts at installing bugs, its a simpe matter for them to bug the residences of all known mas associates and family. as far as I know, rank and file police do not have access to these devices. ISD do not need permission from ministers to carry this out. As for your question of whether we are a polcie state or not, u are kidding right? We have been a police state for the last 40 years. Where have u been?

Your example of my brother wanted for a serious crime is very weak. When they come and bug your flat, u would not know they were there. They could have bug the flats of all of Mas family without the family knowing the bug was there.

 

[Papsmearer]

Re: Why Mas selamat brother was not being monitor asked Hri Kumar Nair MP Bishan-Toa

Its already a police state and the information of individuals (which are registered) are easily accessible by agencies with authorisation. I wonder how often these information has been abused before they implemented control over .

Think about it , your bank activities, internet activities, iras activities are sources for profiling. Some organisation out there has been collating data and keeping tabs on all of us since day 1.

I remember the stories of a urban legend ;those born between 1963-65 had a docile kept and marked somewhere. And remember White Horse classification system.

The only things that they can't keep tabs on if you do things off the system. Which probably shows why Mas' brother was not on the watchlist or the likelihood involvement.

Someone here mentioned about raiding the relatives house when Mas escape. I guess if they did that without much contemplation ; the whole Muslim community will cry foul on that here.

This is true. Most sinkies do not know the extend of the PAP's surveillance and info gathering ability. they make the FBI carnivore program look like child's play. The govt. regularly buys millions of dollars in electronic surveillance system and software from the US and Israel. Israeli operatives train sinkie ISD to use it. Dispiteall this, they cannot detect terrorist threats as these programs are designed to spy on the population.

 

[GoldenDragon]

Re: Why Mas selamat brother was not being monitor asked Hri Kumar Nair MP Bishan-Toa

They could have bug the flats of all of Mas family without the family knowing the bug was there.

The priority wasn't to find out what was communicated in the homes but the sighting and arrest of MSK. You sure know lots of sensitive stuff but I doubt 'they could have bug the flats of all of ..................'

Firstly, there was no need to bug, just monitor and detect presence or visit of MSK - activities on the outside, not inside of flat.
Secondly, bugging takes up precious time and resources. How to bug without entering? And how to enter without being detected? Imagine the amount of time, planning and resources used to bug 'the flats of ALL.....without the families knowing....

 

[Ramseth]

Re: Why Mas selamat brother was not being monitor asked Hri Kumar Nair MP Bishan-Toa

Are u sure u are some kind of ex cop or what? U must be really low on the totem pole. Bug does not necessarily mean phone bug. They can put a bug in your bedroom, your living room, dining room, etc. harbans singh had a bug in his chandelier for years, did not know it was there till he was cleaning it. If you put a bug in the living quarters, u can pick up conversations in the room. Trust me when i tell u certain agencies in singapore can match voice prints. The ISD are experts at installing bugs, its a simpe matter for them to bug the residences of all known mas associates and family. as far as I know, rank and file police do not have access to these devices. ISD do not need permission from ministers to carry this out. As for your question of whether we are a polcie state or not, u are kidding right? We have been a police state for the last 40 years. Where have u been?

Your example of my brother wanted for a serious crime is very weak. When they come and bug your flat, u would not know they were there. They could have bug the flats of all of Mas family without the family knowing the bug was there.

You've watched too many James Bond and Mission Impossible movies. Those bugs are battery operated and functional for at most a day. Quite useless for longer term surveillance unless you manage to keep rebugging.

 

[Jah_rastafar_I]

Re: Why Mas selamat brother was not being monitor asked Hri Kumar Nair MP Bishan-Toa

Have to disagree with you on Shanmugam being an idiot. He is a brilliant chap. But this time round, he is under the Lan Lan Act to do as told - he must 'protect' WKS even if in the course of doing so, he looks like an idiot. Sorry, on second thoughts, you are right - Shanmugam is an idiot!!!! And a big one too.

why is this keling brillant?

He looks like he sucks just like wks.

 

[heartlander]

Re: Why Mas selamat brother was not being monitor asked Hri Kumar Nair MP Bishan-Toa

Are u sure u are some kind of ex cop or what? U must be really low on the totem pole. Bug does not necessarily mean phone bug. They can put a bug in your bedroom, your living room, dining room, etc. harbans singh had a bug in his chandelier for years, did not know it was there till he was cleaning it. If you put a bug in the living quarters, u can pick up conversations in the room. Trust me when i tell u certain agencies in singapore can match voice prints. The ISD are experts at installing bugs, its a simpe matter for them to bug the residences of all known mas associates and family. as far as I know, rank and file police do not have access to these devices. ISD do not need permission from ministers to carry this out. As for your question of whether we are a polcie state or not, u are kidding right? We have been a police state for the last 40 years. Where have u been?

Your example of my brother wanted for a serious crime is very weak. When they come and bug your flat, u would not know they were there. They could have bug the flats of all of Mas family without the family knowing the bug was there.

This is the funniest thing I've ever heard. Thanks for making my day bro

 

[GoldenDragon]

Re: Why Mas selamat brother was not being monitor asked Hri Kumar Nair MP Bishan-Toa

why is this keling brillant?

He looks like he sucks just like wks.

He made it as a top lawyer in the private sector. You cannot be ordinary to succeed in the private sector unlike WKS who only 'made it' in politics.

 

[GoldenDragon]

Re: Why Mas selamat brother was not being monitor asked Hri Kumar Nair MP Bishan-Toa

Those bugs are battery operated and functional for at most a day. Quite useless for longer term surveillance unless you manage to keep rebugging.

Technology nowadays quite advanced. Such devices can last for at least 2 weeks. No problem.