Why Jacky Chan looked older than Bruce Lee?

[Jah_rastafar_I]

speaking of ufc anything to say about alistair overeem after he was found guilty of doping and cannot fight against junior santos.

 

[vamjok]

its true that stamina plays a important role in fighting ..most competition fights last longer than 10 seconds. without having sufficient levels of endurance, you'll turn into a limp-wristed Nancy-boy by the 11-second mark.... after all, your most powerful energy system usually wear out within 10 seconds.

if you havent developed the second energy system that comes into play, you're in a heap of trouble. We have all seen those monstrous muscle-heads walk into UFC or pride fights that end up gasping for air shortly after the first round begins. those dudes rarely end up with their arm raised at the end of the bout because their eyes are still in the back of their head while the winner is announced

still remembers the first time i was choked, i thought i was going to die! panic till dunno how to tap, till the one choking me (yes he is the one choking) TAP WHEN U GIVE UP! TAP ! TAP! then i remember how to tap LOL

 

[drifter]

still remembers the first time i was choked, i thought i was going to die! panic till dunno how to tap, till the one choking me (yes he is the one choking) TAP WHEN U GIVE UP! TAP ! TAP! then i remember how to tap LOL

whahahhaa...bro that is very common ...the first time i kena choke i also dont know how to tap . i try to fight the choke ..of course that is impossibe ...how foolish of me .

 

[Clone]

Re: You Mean Calefare ?

Movie extras. Compare Sammo Hung's role and Jackie in Enter the Dragon movie.

Sammo Hung was Bruce Lee's opponent in the first fight scene.

Jackie was the villain's henchman for only a few seconds.

Andy Lau and Stephen Chow also started out as calefares what.

Sammo Hung is regarded as 大哥大 and Jackie 大哥 in the entertainment circle.

So what's the issue here? Yawnzzz...

 

[Clone]

What we show remember Bruce Lee by are the one-to-one fight scenes. The one-to-ten fight scenes are there to work up the appetites of cinema goers for the climatic scene of duel between last 2 fighters standing which is all that matters. It's part and parcel of any movie-making techniques. Jackie Chan's had plenty of that too and in fact one-to-fifty or hundred such fight scenes. But what's missing are the one-to-one memorial fight scenes. The reason is simple, Jackie is no martial art exponent and so is not up to it, he's just an acrobatic feigning some martial art moves.

Honestly, I don't feel worked up after watching those surreal 1-to-10 fights with the jobbers haplessly encircling Bruce.

And the climatic lopsided 1-to-1 fight scene? It's laborious to watch.

Like I've said before, it's the 70s, his movies are catered for that era of moviegoers and their nationalistic theme resonated with millions of Asians then.

 

[Jah_rastafar_I]

watch this fight

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the guy getting his balls punched is joe son convicted rapist and murderer and a south korean. He's sentenced in prison for life for raping a female in 1990. He killed his cellmate too.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Son

 

[Clone]

He's a pioneer no doubt but I still regard him as more a martial artist than movie actor.

I see your point as I enjoy reading Bruce Lee's quotes which are also steeped in Taoist philosophy but never Jackie's. LOL!

Bro between the one who changed the world in many ways is Bruce Lee. Thus in terms of making a difference it has to be Bruce Lee by a long while. Here are the things that Bruce Lee led or influenced.

1) Brought Chinese cinema to the fore
2) A Chinese can be formidable opponent off the screen
3) Led to a massive boom in chinese martial arts across the western word from NZ to Canada. Every kid black, white and blue wanted to learn martial arts and their mums were keen.
4) His form of Martial arts jumped a couple of rungs to the top. In unarmed combat, it was the most feared
5) He was never recognised as an entertainer which is funny when it all began with movies but as phenomenal tour de force as an individual and a person who made a difference
6) Chinese were no longer seen as wimps to many in the physical space.

I have no doubt that Jackie Chan is a phenomenal actor, highly entertaining, wonderfully choreographed and executed stunts, attracts a wider audience than Bruce Lee will ever hope.

But bear this in mind, nobody from a 5 year old kid to a 70 year old man or woman will sport a t-shirt with Jackie Chan face on it. No momentos or collectors items will be made of him, nobody will claim him as their role model, their star. We all love ice cream but only a few will know what a Cabernet Savignon is. One is class and one is common.

Frankly there is no comparison between the two where the wider world is concerned. Forget about te 1 inch punch which is bullshit and scientifically improbable, forget about fighting ten men. It about which man changed the world.

 

[Liquigas]

Jackie Chan was trained in a Pekin opera school so his skills is actually more acrobatic than martial arts. The real kung fu master in the HK movie industry is Liu Jia Liang, a hong quan master. In one of his old movies I watched, he displayed his full range of fighting power using a wide array of weapons from sword, spear to long & short poles. His bare hand combat skills is equally awesome. In one scene he was seen fighting his enemy in a narrow lane barely 6 ft wide. In another scene, he was fighting on the floor of a make-shift stage where he was not even able to stand upright in order that his head avoided hitting the ceiling. Now that is king fu!

 

[Ramseth]

Besides the swift inch punch, Bruce Lee flying leap kick is also something nobody since can emulate and replicate. That's also something not really orthodox Wing Chun, something he made up on his own. Even Olympic gymnasts can't do that. Either you leap or you kick, you can't do both at the same time and land standing. Only Bruce Lee can. If you watch the famous Fist Of Fury kicking the signboard Chinese & Dogs Not Allowed scene, you'll see what I mean. The impressive part is not the leap for many gymnasts can do that. The impressive part is the landing. Others who try to leap and kick in one motion will land fallen, even for footballers.

 

[drifter]

i cant help but notice that kung fu practitioners get no respect from mma guys. they're always criticizing kung fu guys for doing forms and having no groundwork and oftentimes, they tend to kick kung fu practitioner ass. my question is, why is this so? with centuries history and hundreds of sifus adding to their arts, wouldn't the hundreds of kung fu styles be able to adapt to the fighting styles of mma guys? or are kung fu guys too limited by mma rules: no groin, eyes, hair?

 

[drifter]

[video=youtube;ABqD8Odaebw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABqD8Odaebw[/video]

 

[Jah_rastafar_I]

i cant help but notice that kung fu practitioners get no respect from mma guys. they're always criticizing kung fu guys for doing forms and having no groundwork and oftentimes, they tend to kick kung fu practitioner ass. my question is, why is this so? with centuries history and hundreds of sifus adding to their arts, wouldn't the hundreds of kung fu styles be able to adapt to the fighting styles of mma guys? or are kung fu guys too limited by mma rules: no groin, eyes, hair?

This applies to most martial arts.

 

[vamjok]

i cant help but notice that kung fu practitioners get no respect from mma guys. they're always criticizing kung fu guys for doing forms and having no groundwork and oftentimes, they tend to kick kung fu practitioner ass. my question is, why is this so? with centuries history and hundreds of sifus adding to their arts, wouldn't the hundreds of kung fu styles be able to adapt to the fighting styles of mma guys? or are kung fu guys too limited by mma rules: no groin, eyes, hair?

u have to thanks this to the gracie, honestly improvement in martial arts in the last 20 years all thanks to pride and UFC is far greater than the last 5000 years combined if u were to ask me.

 

[drifter]

This applies to most martial arts.

what applies to most martial arts ?

 

[Jah_rastafar_I]

what applies to most martial arts ?

the form and all of that. The only martial art that seems to be effective and widely adopted in mma is muay thai and even then fighters don't train exclusively in 1 martial art. Those trained in muay thai for eg will be trained in bjj for eg.

 

[Ramseth]

i cant help but notice that kung fu practitioners get no respect from mma guys. they're always criticizing kung fu guys for doing forms and having no groundwork and oftentimes, they tend to kick kung fu practitioner ass. my question is, why is this so? with centuries history and hundreds of sifus adding to their arts, wouldn't the hundreds of kung fu styles be able to adapt to the fighting styles of mma guys? or are kung fu guys too limited by mma rules: no groin, eyes, hair?

Streetfighting has no rules, only win or lose. The fighters should be prepared to guard their own hair, eyes, groins etc.

Reminds me of the classic closing scene in the movie Unforgiven...

Gene Hackman : You've just shot an unarmed man.

Clint Eastwood : Well, he should have armed himself.

 

[drifter]

u have to thanks this to the gracie, honestly improvement in martial arts in the last 20 years all thanks to pride and UFC is far greater than the last 5000 years combined if u were to ask me.

yes...UFC owe that to gracie . which means 5000years of history just kena whack by a 20years UFC ? tell you the truth , that sound kind of crazy to me ...although we know that .

 

[drifter]

Streetfighting has no rules, only win or lose. The fighters should be prepared to guard their own hair, eyes, groins etc.

Reminds me of the classic closing scene in the movie Unforgiven...

Gene Hackman : You've just shot an unarmed man.

Clint Eastwood : Well, he should have armed himself.

of course street fight got no rules law ......real life fighting is not fair, it is not clean, it is not sporting and it is for keeps, there are no split decisions, no weight classifications, no penalties and no draws, no referees, times set on how long a round lasts or how many rounds there will be or bells to sound the beginning or ending of rounds. ......street fighting is dirty, when the dust settles one person is the winner, the other could be dead ...by the way can you tell me something that i dont know

 

[drifter]

the form and all of that. The only martial art that seems to be effective and widely adopted in mma is muay thai and even then fighters don't train exclusively in 1 martial art. Those trained in muay thai for eg will be trained in bjj for eg.

i agree with you on your take for muay thai .

 

[Jah_rastafar_I]

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i see your pt but the martial art depends on the exponent and not the art. If the practioner sucks that doesn't mean the art he practices in sucks too. You get my drift.