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True blue locals only 47% left......country fully sold

Finally on the topic of integration, there is only so much you can integrate a new migrant, in which case the more real targets were not really the current batch of migrants but their children who would have grown up here. Even lky have mentioned this before.

Personally I think everyone is barking up the wrong tree. There is nothing fundamentally wrong with accepting new migrants in SG, more so given the current global economy, the real issue we should be addressing is the lack of proper infrastructure prepared to welcome the new migrants. That in itself has many factors that contributes to todays problems

The Govt already spent millions in tax payers money to hold integration parties for new immigrants..

The Govt already rolled out the red carpet to welcome them.. The National press just like you have been singing praises of the benefits of having these new immigrants..

A $100 million new spanking building so that these immigrants learn and study local customs languages so that they can assimiliate easily with the locals?

What more new infrastructures needed to welcome these new immigrants?

The onus is on these immigrants to integrate and to socialise more with the locals..

I don't know which part of the island you're living.. but where I came from, I have seen these new immigrants from India keeping to themselves, congregating only among their fellow countrymen having afternoon curry picnics in the HDB playgrounds..
 
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Err... do the government of UAE converts the migrants into citizens?

the TFR here is low and the Chinese is the lowest, follow by indians. Malay is the highest.
without these new immigrants to fill the shortfall, after X no. of years, Malay will be the majority.
think about it first. thank you.
 
The Govt already spent millions in tax payers money to hold integration parties for new immigrants..

The Govt already rolled out the red carpet to welcome them.. The National press just like you have been singing praises of the benefits of having these new immigrants..

A $100 million new spanking building so that these immigrants learn and study local customs languages so that they can assimiliate easily with the locals?


What more new infrastructures needed to welcome these new immigrants?

The onus is on these immigrants to integrate and to socialise more with the locals..

I don't know which part of the island you're living.. but where I came from, I have seen these new immigrants from India keeping to themselves, congregating only among their fellow countrymen having afternoon curry picnics in the HDB playgrounds..

i think Char_Azn did mentioned that while it's hard for the new immigrants to intergrate, its their children who will fully intergrate when they grow up here.
 
the TFR here is low and the Chinese is the lowest, follow by indians. Malay is the highest.
without these new immigrants to fill the shortfall, after X no. of years, Malay will be the majority.
think about it first. thank you.

What causes this to happen? Mr sometimes Oppo, sometimes Neutral and most of the time XXX???
 
From someone who came back from reservist 1 week ago. I have to say the part about being packed to the brim is so not true. There is still a lot of place in SG where U can go and feel U are in the middle of bloody no where

Finally on the topic of integration, there is only so much you can integrate a new migrant, in which case the real targets were not really the current batch of migrants but their children who would have grown up here. Even lky have mentioned this before.

Personally I think everyone is barking up the wrong tree. There is nothing fundamentally wrong with accepting new migrants in SG, more so given the current global economy, the real issue we should be addressing is the lack of proper infrastructure prepared to welcome the new migrants. That in itself has many factors that contributes to todays problems


Wah! See TWISTER at work.:oIo: One moment there's alot of space, another moment infrastructures are no prepared.:oIo: You infrastructures here cater for dead people or animals? Maybe you can propose to put these new migrants to where you went to where you feel that you are in the middle of bloody no where.
 
What causes this to happen? Mr sometimes Oppo, sometimes Neutral and most of the time XXX???

What causes this to happen? Are u referring to the low TFR for Chinese? If yes, there are various reasons but what is your point for asking this in relation to the topic?
 
Char-Azn has just announced that he has an Open House at his place this Sunday. Everybody is welcome.

They can partake in offerings from his richly stocked fridge and may take a rest on his ultra-luxurious Simmons pocketed spring bed. He realises that he is not the first tenant of this home and should not be so selfish not to share it with others. Although he has spent a lot on his renovations, he has decided to share it with everybody from now on.

All are welcome. Thank you for the attention.
 
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The writing is on the wall.

It's quite obvious when you've lived at a certain town for decades, you are keenly astute of the changes going on in the neighbourhood.

These days: too many strange, foreign faces. A cacophony of strange, unfamiliar languages. More units in your block rented out or sold to foreigners.

The changes have been quite remarkable, especially over the past few years.

* * *

And oh please, the cheek of the PAP govt (and its usual sycophants) to claim that 'we were all once foreigners of this land too, therefore we should be more accommodating to the foreigners now'. What the PAP govt is doing now is artificially boosting the population through immigration beyond the threshold of sustainability. This insatiable greed for more GDP growth will eventually destroy us all.
 
Bui Chee, UAE locals all well taken care of by the government. :rolleyes:

Thanks Bro scbccb for you posting. Good point. Up you later today or tmr.

This is what I thought I am going to ask Bro Char next, had he answered my question below. Apparently, he missed my posting.

Err... do the government of UAE converts the migrants into citizens?
 
deleted.... incomplete and double posting. See post No 54 :p
 
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What causes this to happen? Are u referring to the low TFR for Chinese? If yes, there are various reasons but what is your point for asking this in relation to the topic?

What are the various reasons? I am still on my first question posted to you.
 
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I pointed out in this thread earlier, locally born Singaporean immediately after the war only stood at about 50%. The idea that the vast majority of the residents were descendents of very early migrants is a myth. Most of us are 2nd or at best 3rd gen migrants. That being the case the idea of condemning other migrants is like the pot calling the kettle black. Moreover as pointed out earlier, the earlier migrants came here from a far worse place relative to the current gen so to accuse the new migrants of being money grabbers compared to the older gen is equally ridiculous.

Finally on the topic of integration, there is only so much you can integrate a new migrant, in which case the real targets were not really the current batch of migrants but their children who would have grown up here. Even lky have mentioned this before.

Personally I think everyone is barking up the wrong tree. There is nothing fundamentally wrong with accepting new migrants in SG, more so given the current global economy, the real issue we should be addressing is the lack of proper infrastructure prepared to welcome the new migrants. That in itself has many factors that contributes to todays problems

Bro Char, most of us here understand what you are trying to say. We are mostly son of migrants anyway.

Most of us also understand the need to import talents. Those real talents.

What most of us are not happy about are:

1. Why are millions spent on these for integration purposes instead of going to the underprivileged to make the society a better place to be in? Why are millions spent sponsoring these sometime ingrate foreigners their education and to recruit them? Remember about the remark "you want to eat at the hawker center, food court or resturants" when he was asked to set aside more funds to assist these underprivileged? Many reaons why they are underprivileged - health, mental capacity, educational, vocational, social skill level, age, etc etc What happened to the proverb "Charity begins at home"?

2. Why import 3rd grade and 4th grade "talents" gave them scholarship from primary school to Uni, assured job at the end of the Uni program when their performance is worst than some of the local in the same program? Where has meritocracy gone to? The not so smart local graduate will have a loan to pay upon graduation and at the same time go looking for a job. Is this fair? If they are true talents, we all have no qualms accepting them and rolling out the red carpet. It is these 3rd and 4th grades that littered all over with special privileges that upset the local boys.

3. Why 1st generation talents citizen need not serve NS? Do delivering babies considered part of National Service? They can do their part of National Service to show the loyalty to the country. It is as simple as that. Those above certain age group could be exempted. But definitely not those fresh graduates. In a private sector, a chap who need to perform his NS duties are always less welcome than one who don't. It is as simple as that. National service for them could be some social work, nursing work, whatever. Give them options to choose. But serve they must if they are able bodied.

4. Why have HDB policies skewed toward penalising locals? The tough criteria for single application vs those PR wanting to purchase a HDB. Who is going to check if that PR has any property elsewhere in this world? But for the locals, it is impossible not to declare the truth. Those PR who have left our shore, why not revoke their HDB ownership? i.e. they could dispose of it after fulfilling the MOP before they leave. If they do not meet the MOP, then HDB could simply take it back. It is as simple as this. What so difficult? This will help to stabilise the ever increasing HDB prices. The younger generation definitely feel the pinch. How will this affect the population of Singapore in future? I know what you are going to say. I respect your view that it is the generation of people who don't want to get married and settled down. But making the home more affordable - does it help? Of course it does for those who want to settle down and start a family.

5. Finally, thanks for mentioning that the infrastructure is unable to keep pace with the massive import of foreigners.

Bottomline, Bro Char, it is not the importing of talents (real talents) per se that we are upset up. It is the speed and quantum (especially those low grades) in which these foreigners arrived at our shores with red carpet rolling out at the expense of the true blue Singaporeans who contributed so much to the country by way of taxes and NS.

That is why most of us agreed with what the TS said "True blue locals only 47% left......country fully sold".
 
Char-Azn has just announced that he has an Open House at his place this Sunday. Everybody is welcome.

They can partake in offerings from his richly stocked fridge and may take a rest on his ultra-luxurious Simmons pocketed spring bed. He realises that he is not the first tenant of this home and should not be so selfish not to share it with others. Although he has spent a lot on his renovations, he has decided to share it with everybody from now on.

All are welcome. Thank you for the attention.

Aye Fook Gor, what is happening? I am lost here. Why suddenly this Open House thingy?

And you no give address and time. How welcome are we?

Looking forward to a big feast and nice slumber there after. :rolleyes:
 
The writing is on the wall.

It's quite obvious when you've lived at a certain town for decades, you are keenly astute of the changes going on in the neighbourhood.

These days: too many strange, foreign faces. A cacophony of strange, unfamiliar languages. More units in your block rented out or sold to foreigners.The changes have been quite remarkable, especially over the past few years.

* * *

And oh please, the cheek of the PAP govt (and its usual sycophants) to claim that 'we were all once foreigners of this land too, therefore we should be more accommodating to the foreigners now'. What the PAP govt is doing now is artificially boosting the population through immigration beyond the threshold of sustainability. This insatiable greed for more GDP growth will eventually destroy us all.

Not only that insatiable greed for more GDP growth which eventually land them with more bonuses, this massive influx of foreigners and shamelessly converting them has a political agenda as well. The 超级白 is nothing but self serving.
 
not all are on lah. if u check their background, most of them are employed by govt sectors or GIC. the extra reservist add into their KPI.

Thanks Bro sleaguepunter for your input. No wonder there are so many "siow on" volunteering for extras.
 
i think Char_Azn did mentioned that while it's hard for the new immigrants to intergrate, its their children who will fully intergrate when they grow up here.

But did Bro Char_Azn also said that it is also hard for locals to accept the massive amount of new immigrants migrating here and they have so much in numbers that they begin to impose their sub culture on the locals?

This subculture will perpetuate itself resting in their children not any more integrated as well. Have you seen cricket being played in Singapore in many years back in open public parks? What about now?

Recent curry pot case is a case in point.
 
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I Hate Pappies - why waste your time arguing with those who are either 1) a 60% 2) a foreigner , they will never "regret and repent" :rolleyes:
 
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the TFR here is low and the Chinese is the lowest, follow by indians. Malay is the highest.
without these new immigrants to fill the shortfall, after X no. of years, Malay will be the majority.
think about it first. thank you.

Hey bro akunei, there is nothing wrong with having more Malays in our midst. We are all Singaporeans first. If that doesn't not come to your mind naturally, then the whole nation building program and integration program of Singapore have failed miserably after all these years.

Malay do contribute to the society of Singapore. Simply think Fandi Ahmad. Think Iskandar Jalil. To think that they will be a drag to the society, sorry that is not my thinking. He ain't heavy. He is my brother.

As for why the Chinese TRF is the lowest, it is best you ask Bro Char. He will give you a good reply. :D

Whatever it is, your Total Fertility Rate argument does not answer my question below.

Err... do the government of UAE converts the migrants into citizens?

I just need a yes or no anwer. If yes, how much and what are the criteria. That all. No need to talk about TRF and what not. Thank you too. :)
 
The Govt already spent millions in tax payers money to hold integration parties for new immigrants..

The Govt already rolled out the red carpet to welcome them.. The National press just like you have been singing praises of the benefits of having these new immigrants..

A $100 million new spanking building so that these immigrants learn and study local customs languages so that they can assimiliate easily with the locals?

What more new infrastructures needed to welcome these new immigrants?

The onus is on these immigrants to integrate and to socialise more with the locals..

I don't know which part of the island you're living.. but where I came from, I have seen these new immigrants from India keeping to themselves, congregating only among their fellow countrymen having afternoon curry picnics in the HDB playgrounds..

Exactly. They are bring their sub culture into Singapore. Have you seen them playing cricket? I mean those northern Indians? Do you find southen Indians playing along side with them?

When I was in secondary school, the cricket team consist of both the nothern and southern indians. In fact the captian is a southern Indian. Ditto for the hockey team.

Revitalisation of their caste systems in Singapore is definitely no good.
 
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