The Religion of 'peace'

[Hypocrite-The]

Is ok. I will be judged by my Al Mighty Allah swt. I am very glad i am a Muslim. Period.

I am glad u r a Muslim bcos yr actions have confirmed that Islam is indeed the religion of 'peace'...n tat Isis is Islam in its purest form

 

[whoami]

Too bad the Muslims are glad to kill rape n pillage in the name of Allah n the Qur'an. N of course Google lah...since u read it soo well defend it properly not just quote the good bits. N till date u have never condemn the actions of Isis etc. U just defend by stating that infidels view mudslimes wrongly..if u say Isis is wrong..why is there no jihad against Isis? Because all mudslimes view Isis as Islamic n it's enemies as infidels

If u tink tat way i cant help it. As far as true practising Muslims are concerned we know killing innocents one the greatest sins.

 

[whoami]

I am glad u r a Muslim bcos yr actions have confirmed that Islam is indeed the religion of 'peace'...n tat Isis is Islam in its purest form

No where did i mention Isis is Islam and is "pure". I said IS is an extremist/terrorist org that ought to be put down.

 

[Hypocrite-The]

If u tink tat way i cant help it. As far as true practising Muslims are concerned we know killing innocents one the greatest sins.

And yet I have not seen mudslimes in SEA queuing up to fight Isis. But queuing up to join them instead

 

[whoami]

And yet I have not seen mudslimes in SEA queuing up to fight Isis. But queuing up to join them

They are busy fighting some IS members in their homeland too.

 

[Hypocrite-The]

No where did i mention Isis is Islam and is "pure". I said IS is an extremist/terrorist org that ought to be put down.

U have never mention putting them down. If u n yr fellow peaceful Muslims say that...u will be active hunting them down n not join them or just keeping quiet about Isis n blaming the yanks for everything else

 

[whoami]

U have never mention putting them down. If u n yr fellow peaceful Muslims say that...u will be active hunting them down n not join them or just keeping quiet about Isis n blaming the yanks for everything else

Yes..arrest them

 

[whoami]

U have never mention putting them down. If u n yr fellow peaceful Muslims say that...u will be active hunting them down n not join them or just keeping quiet about Isis n blaming the yanks for everything else

 

[syed putra]

I am glad u r a Muslim bcos yr actions have confirmed that Islam is indeed the religion of 'peace'...n tat Isis is Islam in its purest form

Its not a religion you twit.

 

[Hypocrite-The]

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Indonesia looks to make halal labels compulsory as critical election looms for Joko Widodo
By Erwin Renaldi
Posted5 days ago

IMAGEIndonesia continues to source a lot of its halal meat and dairy products from Australia.(Flickr: Christopher Paquette)
Indonesian President Joko Widodo's running mate Ma'ruf Amin is planning to impose mandatory certification on all halal products next year, a move many see as a campaign tactic to tap into the archipelago's rising conservative tide.
Key points:

• Muslims account for 90 per cent of Indonesia's population of 260 million
• Presidential candidates are riding on religious sentiment to gain popular support
• If Mr Amin is elected to government he could accelerate the process of requiring halal labels

Halal refers to products that are "permissible" for consumption by Islamic law, but through years of politicking it has often become synonymous as a broad label for quality products.
Mr Amin — who is also the chief of the country's top clerical body, the Indonesian Council of Ulama (MUI) — announced the plans at a halal expo in Yogyakarta on Java island this month.

IMAGEMr Widodo's running mate Ma'ruf Amin is a hard-line Islamic cleric.(AP: Achman Ibrahim)
"Praise be to God … the halal certificate that was initially voluntary will become mandatory from 2019," Mr Amin declared.

"Halal is my life."​

The audience responded by chanting: "Halal! Halal! Halal! Halal!"
Mr Amin is considered one of the most powerful Muslim clerics in Indonesia, and has previously supported controversial fatwas against secularism and railed against homosexuality.
While local media reports claim Mr Amin's announcement is a political motive with its eyes on the April 2019 election, Mr Amin defended his plans and reiterated: "It's about supporting halal, not our campaign".
But with Muslims accounting for 90 per cent of Indonesia's population of 260 million, presidential candidates are leaning further towards religious sentiments to gain popular support for the election next year.
Indonesia's ambition to be a global halal hub
Indonesia had already introduced the Halal Product Guarantee Law to make halal certification compulsory just before former president Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono stepped down in 2014.
But the law was never passed by Mr Widodo when he took power as discussions about how to implement it were still taking place.
IMAGEHalal meat requires hand slaughtering and cutting through the jugular vein of an animal.(Reuters: Beawiharta, File)
Lukmanul Hakim, the head of the halal certification body at MUI, told the ABC it would require various institutions and parties to come to an agreement to pass the law.
But Mr Hakim said that if Mr Amin was elected to government next year, it would accelerate the process of compulsory certification becoming law.
Only 20 per of all foods and products that are permissible for Muslims to consume are currently labelled 'halal', according to MUI.
For example, chips and vegetable noodles are not labelled halal, but under the new certification, they would have to be.
Analysts say that the move is not only political, but a means for MUI to generate revenue, as the Islamic body would be the one responsible for providing the certification at a cost.
MUI also say that they want Indonesia to be a hub for halal foods and set an example for the global halal industry in terms of standard certification processes.
On Thursday, Indonesia will host an international halal expo to try promote its halal products to other Asian countries.
If the law successfully passes, foods produced in Indonesia with halal certification could more easily be justified to be exported to other Muslim markets that are in demand.
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[Hypocrite-The]

Its not a religion you twit.

Wow Islam not a religion? Than why all the Islamic demands?

 

[JohnTan]

And the rise of Muslim demands continues

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Indonesia looks to make halal labels compulsory as critical election looms for Joko Widodo
By Erwin Renaldi
Posted5 days ago

IMAGEIndonesia continues to source a lot of its halal meat and dairy products from Australia.(Flickr: Christopher Paquette)
Indonesian President Joko Widodo's running mate Ma'ruf Amin is planning to impose mandatory certification on all halal products next year, a move many see as a campaign tactic to tap into the archipelago's rising conservative tide.
Key points:

• Muslims account for 90 per cent of Indonesia's population of 260 million
• Presidential candidates are riding on religious sentiment to gain popular support
• If Mr Amin is elected to government he could accelerate the process of requiring halal labels

Halal refers to products that are "permissible" for consumption by Islamic law, but through years of politicking it has often become synonymous as a broad label for quality products.
Mr Amin — who is also the chief of the country's top clerical body, the Indonesian Council of Ulama (MUI) — announced the plans at a halal expo in Yogyakarta on Java island this month.

IMAGEMr Widodo's running mate Ma'ruf Amin is a hard-line Islamic cleric.(AP: Achman Ibrahim)
"Praise be to God … the halal certificate that was initially voluntary will become mandatory from 2019," Mr Amin declared.

"Halal is my life."​

The audience responded by chanting: "Halal! Halal! Halal! Halal!"
Mr Amin is considered one of the most powerful Muslim clerics in Indonesia, and has previously supported controversial fatwas against secularism and railed against homosexuality.
While local media reports claim Mr Amin's announcement is a political motive with its eyes on the April 2019 election, Mr Amin defended his plans and reiterated: "It's about supporting halal, not our campaign".
But with Muslims accounting for 90 per cent of Indonesia's population of 260 million, presidential candidates are leaning further towards religious sentiments to gain popular support for the election next year.
Indonesia's ambition to be a global halal hub
Indonesia had already introduced the Halal Product Guarantee Law to make halal certification compulsory just before former president Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono stepped down in 2014.
But the law was never passed by Mr Widodo when he took power as discussions about how to implement it were still taking place.
IMAGEHalal meat requires hand slaughtering and cutting through the jugular vein of an animal.(Reuters: Beawiharta, File)
Lukmanul Hakim, the head of the halal certification body at MUI, told the ABC it would require various institutions and parties to come to an agreement to pass the law.
But Mr Hakim said that if Mr Amin was elected to government next year, it would accelerate the process of compulsory certification becoming law.
Only 20 per of all foods and products that are permissible for Muslims to consume are currently labelled 'halal', according to MUI.
For example, chips and vegetable noodles are not labelled halal, but under the new certification, they would have to be.
Analysts say that the move is not only political, but a means for MUI to generate revenue, as the Islamic body would be the one responsible for providing the certification at a cost.
MUI also say that they want Indonesia to be a hub for halal foods and set an example for the global halal industry in terms of standard certification processes.
On Thursday, Indonesia will host an international halal expo to try promote its halal products to other Asian countries.
If the law successfully passes, foods produced in Indonesia with halal certification could more easily be justified to be exported to other Muslim markets that are in demand.
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Halal labels are not free. The muslim organization or local mosque will demand a fee for their halal certs, which has to be renewed every year or every other year. It's the same for signapore muis halal certs. It's a great way to make money, better than COE system.

 

[Hypocrite-The]

Halal labels are not free. The muslim organization or local mosque will demand a fee for their halal certs, which has to be renewed every year or every other year. It's the same for signapore muis halal certs. It's a great way to make money, better than COE system.

And yet mudslimes are soo hard up about the certification.. remember subway n the 7 eleven ice cream n cinema food not being halal? The big hoo hah from the mudslimes?

 

[syed putra]

Wow Islam not a religion? Than why all the Islamic demands?

It became a religion when the clerics took control.otherwise, its just between you and the "creator". No such thing as priest, mullahs in the original belief.

 

[Hypocrite-The]

It became a religion when the clerics took control.otherwise, its just between you and the "creator". No such thing as priest, mullahs in the original belief.

So u are saying Islam now is a false religion n u an infidel?

 

[Hypocrite-The]

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Fatwas, niqabs and 'acceptable standards': Is conservative Islam on the rise across Indonesia?
BY TASHA WIBAWAUPDATED SUN 9 SEP 2018, 1:15 PM AEST

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Indonesia is the most populous Muslim nation with 87 per cent of its people identifying as Muslims.
REUTERS: RONI BINTANG
In the latest interpretation of sharia law in Indonesia's Aceh province, it is now "haram" — or religiously forbidden — for a woman to sit at the same cafe table as a man she is not married or related to.
Key points:

• Jakarta is the most intolerant city in the country, according to an Indonesian think tank
• It also found 201 cases of religious freedom violations across the country
• Indonesia is the largest Muslim society in the world

The local government notice issued in one small Aceh city also advised businesses not to serve women after 9:00pm, unless they were accompanied by a male family member or husband.
Those were just two of 14 listed "acceptable standards" for restaurant and cafe patrons, and the latest in a string of events highlighting the rise of Islamic conservatism across the Indonesian archipelago.
Indonesia's long road to democracy

Significant progress has been made in relation to Indonesia's democratisation over the past 20 years, but a culture of impunity around human rights abuses persists, writes Olivia Nicole Tasevski.
The most notable in recent weeks was the imprisonment of a minority Buddhist ethnic-Chinese woman, known as Meiliana, after she complained about the volume of a mosque's call to prayer.
The country also saw kindergarten students parade in niqabs and fake assault rifles, as well as a fatwa that claimed the life-saving measles vaccine contained haram substances.
The list of standards for hospitality businesses was released by a local mayor in Aceh, where Islamic criminal law works hand-in-hand with the largely secular laws of Indonesia.
While not legally binding, it illustrates the entanglement of politics and religion in the country, which some say has been exacerbated by President Joko Widodo's recent appointment of a hardline Islamic cleric as his 2019 presidential running mate.
So what is happening in a country that is one of Australia's closest neighbours? Has it become more conservatively Islamic?
More than 200 cases of religious freedom violations
PHOTO An anti-Ahok crowd gathered outside the courtroom protesting in south Jakarta.
ABC NEWS: ADAM HARVEY
The independent Indonesian think tank Setara Institute found Jakarta to be the most religiously intolerant city in the majority Muslim country, with 23 accounts of violations so far this year.
While results from Aceh — where sharia law has been introduced — have not been released this year, last year's results found West Java and Jakarta were far more intolerant.
Reported incidents included discrimination, assault, hate speech and the sealing of houses of worship for other religious groups — as well as a disproportionate impact of blasphemy laws on minority groups.
PHOTO Ahok was charged with blasphemy in October.
ABC NEWS: PHIL HEMINGWAY
The organisation also found 201 cases of religious freedom violations across the country's 20 provinces, mostly towards minorities.
Associate professor at the Australian National University, Greg Fealy, said there had been a greater frequency of cases of rising conservatism in the past decade.

"We have too many cases of what I would regard as violations of religious freedom of speech, but conservatism somewhat fuels that process," he said.​

However, he said it was too complex a matter to simply take a national snapshot based on these events.
Some experts believe the trend started in 2017 during a conservative Islamic-backed movement which saw the removal of Jakarta's former minority Christian governor, Basuki Tjahaja Purnama, more commonly known as Ahok.
PHOTO At one East Java kindergarten, students dressed in niqab while carrying toy rifles during an Independence Day parade.
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Deputy chairman of the Setara Institute, Bonar Tigor Naipospos, said politicising religion was a very effective way to mobilise large numbers of people.
"And Pak Ma'ruf Amin [Mr Widodo's running mate] is one of the main keys to awakening the wave of intolerance in Indonesia," he said.
Muslim majority, not 'Muslim country'
PHOTO Muslim protesters march during a protest against Jakarta's Christian Governor Basuki "Ahok".
AP: ACHMAD IBRAHIM
Indonesia is the largest Muslim society in the world, with 87 per cent of its 270 million people identifying as Muslim.
However religious pluralism and tolerance are considered to be part of Indonesia's five founding principles of Pancasila.
"Indonesia has chosen its own way by choosing Pancasila as a middle road, by stating we are not secular, but we are not a Muslim country," Mr Naipospos said.
But survey data presented by Dr Fealy show middle-class Indonesians are expressing increasingly intolerant views.

"They're the kinds of people who would rather not have a non-Muslim teaching their kids, living beside them or doing business with them," he said.​

Widodo's hardline running mate

Indonesian President Joko Widodo now has a controversial hardline Muslim cleric as his running mate — why?
In 2017, more than half a million people took to the streets of Jakarta in a successful public pressure campaign under the banner of "defenders of Islam".
It became a wake up call to moderate Muslims in the country who believed Islamic fundamentalism existed only on the fringe.
It was also a turning point for the country's moderate brand of Islam.
Some are concerned the current trajectory will result in a more conservative Islamic country — similar to Iran's abandonment of secularism following the Islamic Revolution in 1978-1979, and the Islamic revival following Anwar Sadat's death in Egypt.
Those events saw both cultures shift away from secularism following a change of government, but Dr Fealy does not think Indonesia will follow the same path.

"At the moment, being a Muslim is quite a trendy thing to do particularly in the middle class," he said.​

"While it's possible that sections of society will continue to grow more conservatively Islamic and intolerant … we should be careful about assuming that Indonesia will continue in some kind of inexorable Islamisation curve over the next 20 years."
Baby death following vaccine fatwa
PHOTO The rubella-measles vaccine was declared "haram", but allowed due to a lack of alternatives.
FLICKR: CDC GLOBAL
A baby in the Muslim-majority province of Jambi recently died from the rubella virus.
The mother contracted the disease during pregnancy, and her child was born with defects due to it.
It came after peak Islamic body Indonesian Ulama Council (MUI), released a fatwa saying the vaccine for measles-rubella contained "haram" substances.
The council said it contained traces of pork and human cells, which are religiously forbidden.
PHOTO Students read Islamic scriptures during Ramadan at Lirboyo Islamic boarding school in Kediri.
REUTERS: BEAWIHARTA
While they still allowed its use due to the importance of the vaccine, the decree reportedly hindered immunisation drives in Muslim-majority provinces.
Aman Pulungan, president of the Indonesian Paediatric Society, said it was a matter of great urgency.

"The main issue is a lack of access to the vaccines, which has been made complicated by involving religion," he said.​

"The timing for the fatwa has definitely posed a hindrance."
Political tool or a shift to the 'right'?
PHOTO The battle lines for Indonesia's 2019 presidential election were drawn when Mr Widodo (left) chose Mr Amin (right) as his running mate.
AP: TATAN SYUFLANA
Mr Widodo's decision to select Ma'ruf Amin, a hardline Islamic cleric, as his running mate has seen him face criticism that he may be conceding to conservative Islamic forces.
Independent voter surveyor Poll Tracking Indonesia found more than 58 per cent of Indonesian voters take into account the religious credentials of the presidential and vice-presidential candidates.
With the 2019 presidential elections looming, analysts have said the race has become a question of who is "more Muslim".

"In the educated middle class, there has been resistance towards Ma'ruf Amin and a sense of disappointment," Mr Naipospos said.​

Mr Widodo's inability to protect his former ally Ahok in 2017 has exposed the Government's apparent vulnerability to mass political movements under the banner of Islam.
Meanwhile, his decision to ban a number of hardline Islamist groups in response has fuelled opposition groups.
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The 66-year-old former lieutenant general has been connected to alleged human rights abuses during bloody military operations in Timor-Leste and Papua, as well as in Jakarta in 1998.
Dr Fealy said Mr Widodo's decision to choose Mr Amin was a political move aimed at removing the issue of religion as a potential vulnerability.

"Jokowi doesn't bring Islam into the political realm … he's never tried to use [religion] to get an advantage over his opponent," he said.​

"By contrast, [opposition leader] Prabowo Subianto is from a religiously plural family and he's not particularly Islamic … however, he has a long history of using religion for political purposes.
"The reality is that in the presidential elections next year, we have two figures who don't have all that high Islamic credibility by themselves."
Indonesia has never had a president, or vice-presidential candidate, who was not a Muslim — highlighting the close relationship between the religion and politics.
Mr Naipospos thinks the relationship between religion and politics in Indonesia will continue to strengthen in the foreseeable future, but he remains hopeful Indonesia's future will still be one of its own brand of secularism.
"The issue of religion and politics [in Indonesia] is always dynamic," he said.
"One moment, religion can be stronger than politics, but that pendulum can swing."
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[JohnTan]

And yet mudslimes are soo hard up about the certification.. remember subway n the 7 eleven ice cream n cinema food not being halal? The big hoo hah from the mudslimes?

The local m&ds were brainwashed by muis sermons over the years. MUIS preachers benefit the most because if enough m&ds complain, F&B businesses would cave in, pay MUIS a fee and get the certs.

MUIS preaches conservatism in their sermons, local m&ds stir shit, MUIS keeps its hands clean and gets to issue out more halal certs for money. It's a good deal for MUIS.

 

[syed putra]

And yet mudslimes are soo hard up about the certification.. remember subway n the 7 eleven ice cream n cinema food not being halal? The big hoo hah from the mudslimes?

Its a business and employment opportunity for the many who studied religion. And if your target consumers are of this group. Its just like the "by royal appointment" stamp on certain products used by british royal family.

 

[syed putra]

The local m&ds were brainwashed by muis sermons over the years. MUIS preachers benefit the most because if enough m&ds complain, F&B businesses would cave in, pay MUIS a fee and get the certs.

MUIS preaches conservatism in their sermons, local m&ds stir shit, MUIS keeps its hands clean and gets to issue out more halal certs for money. It's a good deal for MUIS.

Ice cream may contain animal additives or fat.

 

[Hypocrite-The]

Its a business and employment opportunity for the many who studied religion. And if your target consumers are of this group. Its just like the "by royal appointment" stamp on certain products used by british royal family.

And u support such cronyism? I bet u also support pap