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Pakistani Christian woman in limbo despite acquittal by top court
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Asia Bibi, on death row since 2010 after a blasphemy charge, was acquitted by the Supreme Court on Wednesday and ordered set free, triggering protests by ultra-conservative Islamists who paralysed Pakistan for three days. (Photo: AFP/Handout)
04 Nov 2018 12:48AM (Updated: 04 Nov 2018 03:43AM)
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ISLAMABAD: The fate of a Pakistani Christian woman accused of blasphemy was in limbo on Saturday (Nov 3) after the government allowed Islamist hardliners to appeal against her acquittal and put her on a no fly list.
Asia Bibi's lawyer who saved her from the gallows left the country early Saturday after threats to his life.
Bibi, who had been on death row since 2010, was acquitted of all charges by Pakistan's Supreme Court on Wednesday, triggering protests by Islamist hardliners who paralysed the country for three days blocking roads and disrupting traffic in major cities.
The protesters, however, ended their action Friday night after the government reached a controversial deal to put Bibi on the no-fly list and saying it would not object to an appeal against the verdict, which was filed earlier in the Supreme Court.
"We have requested the Supreme Court to put Asia Bibi on the Exit Control List as soon as possible so that she could not fly out of the country," Ghulam Mustafa Chaudhry, the lawyer of Qari Salam who filed the case against Bibi, told AFP.
"We fear that she would be flown out of the country so we have requested the court for an early hearing of the case," he said, adding that he would "exploit all legal remedies to make sure Asia Bibi is hanged according to the law".
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Bibi's lawyer Saif-ul-Mulook and Pakistani media criticised the government for caving in to the Islamist hardliners after Prime Minister Imran Khan had earlier appeared to stand up to them following the court verdict.
Mulook said the Islamist outcry was "unfortunate but not unexpected".
"What's painful is the response of the government. They cannot even implement an order of the country's highest court," he said, adding that "the struggle for justice must continue".
'ANOTHER SURRENDER'
Dawn, the country's oldest newspaper, blasted the deal as "another surrender" in an editorial on Saturday.
"Yet another government has capitulated to violent religious extremists who neither believe in democracy, nor the constitution," it read.
According to the agreement, which came after a failed first round of talks, legal proceedings will follow to impose a travel ban on Bibi and stop her leaving the country.
"Her life would be more or less the same, either inside a prison or in solitary confinement for security fears" until a decision on the appeal, said Mulook.
Bibi's husband Ashiq Masih called on authorities to protect her, saying he worried she may be attacked.
"The situation is dangerous for Asia. I feel that her life is not secure," he told German Deutsche Welle radio. "So I appeal to government to enhance Asia's security in jail".
Blasphemy is a massively inflammatory charge in Muslim-majority Pakistan, where even unproven allegations of insulting Islam and its Prophet Mohammed can provoke death at the hands of vigilantes.
Mulook himself left Pakistan early Saturday, citing threats to his life from Islamist hardliners and other lawyers.
"In the current scenario, it's not possible for me to live in Pakistan," the 62-year-old lawyer told AFP before boarding a plane to Europe. "I need to stay alive as I still have to fight the legal battle for Asia Bibi," he said.
Life in the major cities of Karachi, Lahore and Islamabad returned to normalcy as shops opened and traffic resumed after the protesters dispersed Friday night.
The Tehreek-e-Labaik Pakistan party (TLP), which has largely led the demonstrations, announced an end to the mass protests after reaching a deal with the government.
A five-point agreement seen by AFP, signed by both parties, said the government would not object to an appeal of the verdict, filed earlier in the Supreme Court.
The TLP, founded in 2015, blockaded the capital Islamabad for several weeks last year calling for stricter enforcement of Pakistan's blasphemy laws.
That protest forced the resignation of the federal law minister and paved the way for the group to win more than two million votes in the Jul 25 general election, in what analysts called a "surprisingly" rapid rise.
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Asia Bibi, on death row since 2010 after a blasphemy charge, was acquitted by the Supreme Court on Wednesday and ordered set free, triggering protests by ultra-conservative Islamists who paralysed Pakistan for three days. (Photo: AFP/Handout)
04 Nov 2018 12:48AM (Updated: 04 Nov 2018 03:43AM)
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ISLAMABAD: The fate of a Pakistani Christian woman accused of blasphemy was in limbo on Saturday (Nov 3) after the government allowed Islamist hardliners to appeal against her acquittal and put her on a no fly list.
Asia Bibi's lawyer who saved her from the gallows left the country early Saturday after threats to his life.
Bibi, who had been on death row since 2010, was acquitted of all charges by Pakistan's Supreme Court on Wednesday, triggering protests by Islamist hardliners who paralysed the country for three days blocking roads and disrupting traffic in major cities.
The protesters, however, ended their action Friday night after the government reached a controversial deal to put Bibi on the no-fly list and saying it would not object to an appeal against the verdict, which was filed earlier in the Supreme Court.
"We have requested the Supreme Court to put Asia Bibi on the Exit Control List as soon as possible so that she could not fly out of the country," Ghulam Mustafa Chaudhry, the lawyer of Qari Salam who filed the case against Bibi, told AFP.
"We fear that she would be flown out of the country so we have requested the court for an early hearing of the case," he said, adding that he would "exploit all legal remedies to make sure Asia Bibi is hanged according to the law".
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Bibi's lawyer Saif-ul-Mulook and Pakistani media criticised the government for caving in to the Islamist hardliners after Prime Minister Imran Khan had earlier appeared to stand up to them following the court verdict.
Mulook said the Islamist outcry was "unfortunate but not unexpected".
"What's painful is the response of the government. They cannot even implement an order of the country's highest court," he said, adding that "the struggle for justice must continue".
'ANOTHER SURRENDER'
Dawn, the country's oldest newspaper, blasted the deal as "another surrender" in an editorial on Saturday.
"Yet another government has capitulated to violent religious extremists who neither believe in democracy, nor the constitution," it read.
According to the agreement, which came after a failed first round of talks, legal proceedings will follow to impose a travel ban on Bibi and stop her leaving the country.
"Her life would be more or less the same, either inside a prison or in solitary confinement for security fears" until a decision on the appeal, said Mulook.
Bibi's husband Ashiq Masih called on authorities to protect her, saying he worried she may be attacked.
"The situation is dangerous for Asia. I feel that her life is not secure," he told German Deutsche Welle radio. "So I appeal to government to enhance Asia's security in jail".
Blasphemy is a massively inflammatory charge in Muslim-majority Pakistan, where even unproven allegations of insulting Islam and its Prophet Mohammed can provoke death at the hands of vigilantes.
Mulook himself left Pakistan early Saturday, citing threats to his life from Islamist hardliners and other lawyers.
"In the current scenario, it's not possible for me to live in Pakistan," the 62-year-old lawyer told AFP before boarding a plane to Europe. "I need to stay alive as I still have to fight the legal battle for Asia Bibi," he said.
Life in the major cities of Karachi, Lahore and Islamabad returned to normalcy as shops opened and traffic resumed after the protesters dispersed Friday night.
The Tehreek-e-Labaik Pakistan party (TLP), which has largely led the demonstrations, announced an end to the mass protests after reaching a deal with the government.
A five-point agreement seen by AFP, signed by both parties, said the government would not object to an appeal of the verdict, filed earlier in the Supreme Court.
The TLP, founded in 2015, blockaded the capital Islamabad for several weeks last year calling for stricter enforcement of Pakistan's blasphemy laws.
That protest forced the resignation of the federal law minister and paved the way for the group to win more than two million votes in the Jul 25 general election, in what analysts called a "surprisingly" rapid rise.
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Nothing new coming from a born again xtian John tan 3:16
Have u been to Medina? Makkah? But then again coming from ur nick, hard to believe watever u post
Regardless of whether he did, he ain't no prophet. People who say that a guy who raided caravans, tortured POWs for their money and fucked a little girl, is a prophet, isn't in any right frame of mind to debate with me about religion.
Cant even quote a verse fm the Quran to back up ur claim and yet brag abt debating with Muslims. Go do wat u do best lah....bootlicking ur Masters in White
U said it well,,,but the mudslimes will argue in the olden days,,,,marrying and breeding at a young age was ok as life spans were short, most did not live past 40,,but i think even marrying at 10 or 12 years old, is still too far fetched
But did u not say that it is forbidden to kill in Islam?
https://www.sammyboy.com/threads/saudi-arapebia-garment-very-jibai-one.260758/#post-2809041
It is in the Quran and the Hadits,,,and I have told u many times,,please do not just say quote Quran,,,the Quran and the Hadiths go hand in hand,,if its only the Quran,,than no need to pray 5 times a day,,,,so stop lying and twisting words
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasion_of_Banu_Qurayza
Quran[edit]
According to the 14th century commentator Ibn Kathir, the event is referenced in the Quran:
And those of the People of the Book who aided them - Allah did take them down from their strongholds and cast terror into their hearts. (So that) some ye slew, and some ye made prisoners.[Quran 33:26]
Ibn Kathir's commentary of the verse in his Tafsir is as follows:Then the Messenger of Allah commanded that ditches should be dug, so they were dug in the earth, and they were brought tied by their shoulders, and were beheaded. There were between seven hundred and eight hundred of them. The children who had not yet reached adolescence and the women were taken prisoner, and their wealth was seized.[2]
[Ibn Kathir, on Quran 33:26]
According to Ibn Kathir, Quran 33:09 and 33:10 is also related to the Banu Qurayza.[25][Ibn Kathir, on Quran 33:26]
Hadith literature[edit]
According to Meir J. Kister all male members of the tribe who reached puberty were beheaded,[22] Ibn Kathir says those who did not reach adolescence were taken prisoners instead of being killed.[2] This is also mentioned in the Sunni hadith collection Abu Dawud:
Narrated Atiyyah al-Qurazi: I was among the captives of Banu Qurayza. They (the Companions) examined us, and those who had begun to grow hair (pubes) were killed, and those who had not were not killed. I was among those who had not grown hair.Sunan Abu Dawood, 38:4390
According to Mubrakpuri, Peters, Stillman, Guillaume and Inamdar, Islamic tradition says that the angel Gabriel and Muhammad spoke to one another before the attack.[1][14][15][16][17] This is also mentioned in the Sunni hadith collection Sahih Bukhari:When Allah's Apostle returned on the day (of the battle) of Al-Khandaq (i.e. Trench), he put down his arms and took a bath. Then Gabriel whose head was covered with dust, came to him saying, "You have put down your arms! By Allah, I have not put down my arms yet." Allah's Apostle said, "Where (to go now)?" Gabriel said, "This way," pointing towards the tribe of Bani Quraiza. So Allah's Apostle went out towards them .
Sahih al-Bukhari, 4:52:68
The event is also mentioned in Sahih al-Bukhari, 4:57:66, Sahih al-Bukhari, 4:57:66, Sahih al-Bukhari, 4:52:68, Sahih al-Bukhari, 4:59:443, Sahih al-Bukhari, 4:59:44, Sahih al-Bukhari, 4:52:280 and many others.Sahih al-Bukhari, 4:52:68
I lie. Haha...ur the great liar. Deliberately cherry pick and doesnt quote in full context. Tons and tons of Hadiths attributed to the Apostle upright and good manners. Why u left those out? Hypocrite?
During tat era the Apostle were spreading Islam as commanded by God. Muslims were persecuted by the non believers. Either u die or i die. Hypocrites were by the tons. U dont kill them they will kill u. Even till today. But as u urself had posted...children were spared. Women were spared too
Unlike urs and John tan holy scripture....children and woman, old folks and even animals were to be slaughtered!
1 Samuel 15:2-3
Thus says the Lord of hosts, ‘I have noted what Amalek did to Israel in opposing them on the way when they came up out of Egypt. Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.’”
So whos lying now? Oh ya....ur The Hypocrite.
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Most muslims would like to point to OT violence and use it to justify their own violence. Violence in the OT was restricted to just a specific time frame. Even for the jews, it was not a commandment from God to wage eternal warfare against all non-jews. In recorded history, you are far more likely to have cases of jews being persecuted and killed than the other way around.
For islam, muslims take the quran's violent verses as a commandment for all times; to wage war on non-muslims, to subjugate them, to rape their women, to burn their places of worship, to make them pay jizya protection racketeering fees.
By muslims' own admission with or without their realization, the quran is merely half of their religious text. Without the hadith, the quran is incomplete. You won't know the key essentials of the islamic religion. There is also no instruction of the 5 pillars of islam in the quran. They are all found in the hadith, the hadith of gabriel.
You can Google for it. Or you don't know how to use Google?
I have my islamic text. Google for answers from ur xtian DD? Only ignorant people with shallow knowledge of Islamic text will google (short cut) for fake info. Hahaha...
On the contrary is ur xtian USA waging wars on Muslims soil esp at ME. Of course u will deny.
Ya sure. Msia, Brunei Indon raping women, burning place of worship every day
And having virginity test for pretty women to be matas...and its tested by a male doctor which islam allowsOn the contrary is ur xtian USA waging wars on Muslims soil esp at ME. Of course u will deny.
Ya sure. Msia, Brunei Indon raping women, burning place of worship every day
Virginity tests put Indonesian women off military service; often performed by men, they are seen as degrading
Despite Indonesia’s police force ending virginity tests on female applicants last year, the armed forces still perform the invasive procedure in a country where only 5 per cent of active soldiers and police officers are female
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Rianti’s childhood dream was to serve in the Indonesian National Armed Forces. So when she turned 20 last year, she signed up for entry tests for a military posting in Jayapura, the provincial capital of Papua. She was told that the first day involved only administrative paperwork. When she saw women walking in and out of a small room in the test centre, though, she became curious.
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“I didn’t know why they were being called into the room, but I remember the women’s expressions when they walked out. They looked grim,” says Rianti, who asks that her real name be withheld to protect her privacy.
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When it was finally her turn, Rianti walked in with three other young female candidates. Inside the room, four medical staff – three men and one woman – were waiting. Rianti was told to undress and put on a gown for a health examination. She could feel her heart sink when she found out she was about to undergo a virginity test.
Once Rianti had laid down on one of the hospital beds, a male doctor inserted two fingers into the opening of her vagina to determine whether her hymen was still intact. Meanwhile, the woman on the medical team held up a flashlight while mumbling something inaudible.
“I just wanted it to be over as quickly as possible. It felt like the longest few minutes of my life. I had never been touched by a man before, it was humiliating. I was shocked,” Rianti says.
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That night, she asked one of her uncles who is in the military how a male doctor could be allowed to carry out a virginity test on a woman. She told him it felt like sexual harassment. Her uncle simply dismissed her query, however, and told her that the policy had only recently changed. Now, female candidates could be tested by men.
“I felt nauseous just thinking about it,” she says.
What was worse for Rianti was that she had to undergo the virginity test twice. She says the second time was during the next step of her entry tests, in the headquarters of the National Armed Forces in Bandung, West Java province.
“It was quicker than the first time, and the doctor who checked was a woman. But I had to undress and had male doctors check other things like my skin and breasts,” says the 21-year-old.
I think many people in the armed forces are not aware that you cannot always determine whether a man or woman is a virgin or not. There’s no science behind it
ANDREAS HARSONO, HUMAN RIGHTS WATCH
Laws governing both the National Armed Forces and the Indonesian National Police state that new recruits must be physically healthy and are thus subject to a mandatory health inspection to be enlisted.
The virginity test first came under the spotlight in 2014 when a report by Human Rights Watch revealed that women applying to join the Indonesian security forces were checked not only for their health, but also for whether they had had any prior sexual experience.
Indonesia’s independent National Commission on Violence against Women condemned the virginity test, calling it an act of discrimination against women that violates the Indonesian constitution.
Moreover, passing the virginity test does not guarantee the candidate will be enrolled in the armed forces. In Rianti’s case, she says that she did not make the cut.
Andreas Harsono, an Indonesian researcher for Human Rights Watch, says that the practice has been going on for more than five decades. And because of the lack of female doctors in the armed forces and the police, 70 per cent of the medical staff who perform the tests are male, although they are usually accompanied by a female nurse.
“I think many people in the armed forces are not aware that you cannot determine whether a man or woman is a virgin or not. There’s no science behind it,” Harsono tells the Post.
Human Rights Watch says that because the practice is degrading to women, virginity tests are a violation of human rights, according to Article 7 of the United Nations’ International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR) and Article 16 of its Convention against Torture. Indonesia ratified both treaties, in 2006 and 1998 respectively.
Currently only 5 per cent of personnel in both the Indonesian National Armed Forces and the Indonesian National Police are women. As of last year, according to the Global Firepower index, which ranks the military strength of nations, there were more than 435,000 active military personnel in the southeast Asian nation. Meanwhile, National Police Chief Tito Karnavian says the force employs more than 430,000 active personnel.
We want human resources who are clean and healthy because it’s for the long term and they have to face difficult terrain in the field
MAJOR GENERAL MOHAMAD SABRAR FADHILAH
Fitri Bintang Timur, a researcher in the department of politics and international relations at the Centre for Strategic and International Studies in Jakarta, believes virginity tests could hurt the government’s attempt to encourage more women to join the military.
“Especially in increasingly conservative Indonesia, it will be a problem for women or their families to accept such a test,” she tells the Post. “They will see it as indecent, unless they are from a military or police background. You don’t have to go through a virginity test for other jobs.”
In June, Indonesia was elected as a non-permanent member of the United Nations Security Council. One of the country’s focus points, according to Minister of Foreign Affairs Retno Marsudi, is to increase the role of women as civil officers and as uniformed personnel in UN peacekeeping missions. As of this year, Indonesia had sent 2,694 military and police personnel on nine missions, of whom only 81 were women.
With such a grave shortage of female soldiers and police officers in the country, boosting the participation of women in international missions is difficult.
“For example, many of the UN missions need the army corps of engineers to help with building roads. Here, most of the corps’ members are men. If we have female army engineers, we’d need them in Indonesia,” Fitri says.
She adds that the Indonesian police force has realised that the virginity tests are a problem. Police force spokesperson Brigadier General Rikwanto said in November last year that the tests are no longer performed on female applicants.
Sri Rumiati, a retired police officer, is not fully convinced. She says that although the practice may have been abolished in the capital, Jakarta, authorities in other regions might still be subjecting women to a virginity test.
“In a country as big as Indonesia, it’s hard to detect,” she told BBC Indonesia.
While she was still working as a police officer, Rumiati says, she often urged the police to stop conducting virginity tests. She believes it is against the country’s laws that are in place to protect women from all forms of discrimination.
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Meanwhile, spokesperson Major General Mohamad Sabrar Fadhilah of the National Armed Forces says the public misunderstands the issue of virginity tests.
“We do a health examination, and [the doctors] check the private parts. It’s the same for male candidates. We want human resources who are clean and healthy because it’s for the long term and they have to face difficult terrain in the field,” he tells the Post.
Rianti, who says she was traumatised by the virginity test, has no intention of applying a second time to join the army.
“Most of my friends who failed the entry test don’t want to do it again either. I don’t care if I can’t fulfil my childhood dream. I prefer to not get touched again just to be in the army,” she says.
This article appeared in the South China Morning Post print edition as: Shame in the line of duty
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On the contrary is ur xtian USA waging wars on Muslims soil esp at ME. Of course u will deny.
Ya sure. Msia, Brunei Indon raping women, burning place of worship every day
Yes in Pakistan,,,christians are being executed
Fearing 'angry mob', lawyer of freed Christian woman leaves Pakistan
The Pakistani lawyer who helped a Christian woman overturn her death sentence for blasphemy said on Saturday he had left the country in fear of his life after her acquittal earlier this week sparked street protests by Islamists.
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FILE PHOTO: Saiful Mulook (L) the lawyer of Christian woman sentenced to death for blasphemy against Islam, leaves after the Court overturned the conviction, in Islamabad, Pakistan October 31, 2018. REUTERS/Faisal Mahmood
04 Nov 2018 01:30AM
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Leaders of the ultra-Islamist Tehreek-e-Labaik (TLP) group blocked main roads in Pakistan's biggest cites for three days, calling for the murder of the Supreme Court judges who acquitted Asia Bibi on Wednesday - urging their cooks and servants to kill them.
Saiful Mulook had kept a low profile during the years he represented Bibi, a mother-of-five who has been on death row since 2010, due to the highly sensitive nature of the case. Two politicians who had tried to help her have been assassinated.
Mulook told Reuters in a WhatsApp message he had gone abroad "just to save (my) life from angry mob" and because of fears for the safety of his family.
"I consulted and everybody is of this opinion (that I should leave)," he said, adding that he would return to the country to continue his work on the case if he was given protection by security forces.
The TLP called off the protests late on Friday after striking a deal with the government that would see authorities seek to put Bibi on an 'exit control list' barring her from leaving the country.
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Bibi's whereabouts are unknown, but Islamists have warned the authorities against taking her out of the country.
"There will be a war if they send Asia out of country," TLP leader Khadim Hussain Rizvi said after the deal was reached.
Earlier in the week one of Rizvi's deputies called for Pakistan's Chief Justice Saqib Nisar and two other judges who ruled in the case to be murdered.
"Whoever, who has got any access to them, kill them before the evening," TLP co-founder Muhammad Afzal Qadri told supporters.
The TLP was founded out of a movement supporting a bodyguard who assassinated Punjab provincial governor Salman Taseer after he spoke in Bibi's defence in 2011. Federal minister for minorities Shahbaz Bhatti was also killed after calling for her release.
Bibi was convicted of blasphemy in 2010 for allegedly making derogatory remarks about Islam after neighbours objected to her drinking water from their glass because she was not Muslim. She always denied having committed blasphemy.
The case has outraged Christians worldwide and been a source of division within Pakistan, where Islamist parties such as the TLP have framed Bibi's release as Pakistan's government caving into Western demands.
Bibi's acquittal is being reviewed, though it is extremely rare for a review to overturn a Supreme Court ruling.
(Writing by Drazen Jorgic; Editing by Helen Popper)
Source: Reuters
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But isnt ISIS islamic? Dont Islam allow for underage sex? Dont Islam allow for sex slaves? Dont Islam allow for apostasy? All these are being committed by Islamists,,not by other religions,,,,so U are saying Isis is not an Islamic organisation? and Isis members are not muslims?
Good question.
Nothing written about jesus in roman historical records either.
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