That girl didnt die due to PAP.
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The Dave Lee (Corporal F.C.) Thread
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I think we can agree on 2 things.
1) the death was pointless and could have been avoided
2) are youths these days weaker than the batch from olden days? well we have soldiers who died in the past too. but without the internet in those days, how can we be sure that these sort of things get revealed to the public?
1) the death was pointless and could have been avoided
2) are youths these days weaker than the batch from olden days? well we have soldiers who died in the past too. but without the internet in those days, how can we be sure that these sort of things get revealed to the public?
Yes!....the families of those NS men, do not even know, how their sons died.. We can agree on the two points. The youths today are weaker..
4 years same as college I believe. UK is less than a year since no degree programme.
Commando recruit training is now lights out at 10pm. Enuff said.
U forgot that in the olden days, the temperature was at least 5 degrees colder then today. And also, the full equipment is probably lighter because there was no body armour, lighter rifle, etc. Big difference in heat tolerance under these conditions.
Even commandoes can have specky now.
This is a true story. Shot in the back by a soldier who snapped at the range. Used an AR-15.
In your days, singapore weather a lot cooler lah. by at least 5 degrees. Also gear is lighter back then, eg. no body armour. Cannot compare to today.
The main gripe I have with NS is the entire regime is still designed as if we are waiting for the next major land war consisting of infantry and tanks slugging out with each other in waves. Nobody seems to take into account what practices really work in a high tech high info conflict.
There is a reason why many countries that face greater threats than Singapore are moving into professionalizing to an all volunteer/regular armed forces personnel - modern wars require highly trained and technologically sophisticated "workforce" and you cannot get that by sending people to some generic physically tough boot camp for a few months then sit around in the units for a year waiting for ORD. Modern wars have no need for truckloads of basic trained infantry men who see operating a towed artillery or light tank as the apex of military competency.
One good example is the ridiculous notion that mass mobilization of brigades and divisions of NS men is a good idea to defend Singapore. In this day and age, if there really is war and we mobilize in this manner, it's pretty much everyone gathering in one open space waiting to get blown out of existence by smart bombs or long range guided rockets. Ditto the archaic doctrine of fixed formations and spacing between battalion, brigade and divisional HQ deployments. This might have worked in the 1960s when threats were mainly coming from limited range artillery, long range strikes were less precise and reconnaissance imagery was very limited. Applied in this age it's just a disaster waiting to happen.
Someone raised a somewhat similar point on mobilization and the regular, a Colonel IIRC, was unable to explain or defend this practice. In the end he terminated the discussion by proudly declaring that our enemies would be so scared to see so many able bodied soldiers mobilized and gather that it would psychologically help prevent war in the first place. That is about as idiotic a rationalization as I've ever heard.
There is a reason why many countries that face greater threats than Singapore are moving into professionalizing to an all volunteer/regular armed forces personnel - modern wars require highly trained and technologically sophisticated "workforce" and you cannot get that by sending people to some generic physically tough boot camp for a few months then sit around in the units for a year waiting for ORD. Modern wars have no need for truckloads of basic trained infantry men who see operating a towed artillery or light tank as the apex of military competency.
One good example is the ridiculous notion that mass mobilization of brigades and divisions of NS men is a good idea to defend Singapore. In this day and age, if there really is war and we mobilize in this manner, it's pretty much everyone gathering in one open space waiting to get blown out of existence by smart bombs or long range guided rockets. Ditto the archaic doctrine of fixed formations and spacing between battalion, brigade and divisional HQ deployments. This might have worked in the 1960s when threats were mainly coming from limited range artillery, long range strikes were less precise and reconnaissance imagery was very limited. Applied in this age it's just a disaster waiting to happen.
Someone raised a somewhat similar point on mobilization and the regular, a Colonel IIRC, was unable to explain or defend this practice. In the end he terminated the discussion by proudly declaring that our enemies would be so scared to see so many able bodied soldiers mobilized and gather that it would psychologically help prevent war in the first place. That is about as idiotic a rationalization as I've ever heard.
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U forgot to ask the one basic question. Who is our enemy? which country will attack singapore or want to attack singapore. If u can answer this question, then u can ask what is the problem with NS.
NS only benefit Scholars, aft NS made for life under the Familee's banner.
Lol, you must have watched A Few Good Man too many times and adore Jack Nicholson too much ...
Col . Jack at his Best.
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Nobody says NS is a holiday camp. But it should not be a death camp.
Commanders should do their job well. They shouldn’t be so dumb as not to know if his soldier is dying or lying.
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According to wikipedia, there are shorter alternative routes for the US military. eg. US Army's OCS is a 12-week course.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Officer_Candidate_School
The global warming has caused a significant increase in temperature and humidity.
In the late 1970's, I found it very hot, but not intolerable, but during recent visits to Singapore, I often wonder how I survived those NS days.
I submit that instructors and officers should be more conscious of the potential injury and death of all officers and men.
Majority of sinkies support conscripted national slavery. A life lost once in a while is okay. Stop being so paranoid! The SAF commanders are just doing their job culling daft and humji sinkies like this dead Dave. Too daft and humji to report sick and chao keng. LOL!
Kurdish Forces can fight and still live.
Sinkie boys can march and die.
Sinkie boys can march and die.
Why only promote to CFC? Why not give him BG rank? He suffers more than any scholar general.
That's because that is not a military academy you twit!!!!
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