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Singapore Need A Better Education System

zhihau

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Re: It's Already The End When I Saw What Was Happening In School !

Understanding mathematical questions also require a good command of the English Language.

if the teachers compile the mistakes made by the students due to a poor understanding of the questions of the simplest nature, it could be the best selling joke book :biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:
 

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if the teachers compile the mistakes made by the students due to a poor understanding of the questions of the simplest nature, it could be the best selling joke book :biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:

I do get the impression that many students with poor command of the English Language also fare badly in Maths.
 

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I do get the impression that many students with poor command of the English Language also fare badly in Maths.

agree, it shows in other disciplines as well :eek::eek::eek:
 

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The majority of Singaporean students do not have a good command of their languages. It is a systematic problem in the whole education system.
I do get the impression that many students with poor command of the English Language also fare badly in Maths.
 

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The majority of Singaporean students do not have a good command of their languages. It is a systematic problem in the whole education system.

This Singaporean seems to possess high levels of proficiency in English and Mandarin though:

[video=youtube;tezhzB5kon8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tezhzB5kon8[/video]
 

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Wow, I'm impressed, his mandarin even has a slight 北方 accent. Nice. I hope he becomes PM someday.

[video=youtube;Bro4mkb_VKc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bro4mkb_VKc[/video]

This Singaporean seems to possess high levels of proficiency in English and Mandarin though:

[video=youtube;tezhzB5kon8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tezhzB5kon8[/video]
 

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Cost May Be High

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Its based on Deschooling Society which another bro here has provided a link to. This forum/thread shows the exact reason why schools are not places to learn while sites like this are actually a better learning grounds for like minded people.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deschooling_Society


I'm not sure whether cost is a decisive consideration when you want to have a deschooling society or a free learning system. There are just too many loop holes in our educational system which the 'elites' do not want to address (too lazy or stupid to think) the stiff and stubborn problems that keep popping out like those pesky pop up ads.

Everyone are borne different, so localisation or customisation are needed to fit a person with a specialised curriculum to the T. I have always complained about a certain bench that was a bit too high for a good and proper bending to do a dumbbell back row. The fix bench is obviously designed for a big caucasian bodybuilder. Luckily, I did find something else as a bench to do a good row.

Cost ! The economy of scale is important to make a cheaper 'standardised' education available for commoners. If you are rich, you can have your own tutors from Harvard or Oxford. And again, everyone wanted a race. The O-level tracks, the A-level tracks, the good'ol NUS tracks, etc. Why ? I don't see anyone who are a champion from one of these tracks become successful in life. Both Sim Wong Hoo and Bill Gates gave up their racing tracks for real opportunities to be successful.

So, there are still people who will go round and round and ... when will that dead-end pursuit end with a "Eureka !"
 

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What Sinkies need is Socrates, not Archimedes. :biggrin:

[video=youtube;ur5fGSBsfq8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ur5fGSBsfq8[/video]
 

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Cost ! The economy of scale is important to make a cheaper 'standardised' education available for commoners.

now we're talking :smile::smile::smile: if we're looking at "better, cheaper & faster" methods of mass produce of students, at what cost? China produces millions of graduates every year. so where are we positioning ourselves in preparation for the next few decades? values education?
 

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Archimedes is great. Ever wonder how steel ships can float and sail and submarines can dive and surface? That all began with his water displacement theory.
 

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I'm not sure whether cost is a decisive consideration when you want to have a deschooling society or a free learning system. There are just too many loop holes in our educational system which the 'elites' do not want to address (too lazy or stupid to think) the stiff and stubborn problems that keep popping out like those pesky pop up ads.

Everyone are borne different, so localisation or customisation are needed to fit a person with a specialised curriculum to the T. I have always complained about a certain bench that was a bit too high for a good and proper bending to do a dumbbell back row. The fix bench is obviously designed for a big caucasian bodybuilder. Luckily, I did find something else as a bench to do a good row.

Cost ! The economy of scale is important to make a cheaper 'standardised' education available for commoners. If you are rich, you can have your own tutors from Harvard or Oxford. And again, everyone wanted a race. The O-level tracks, the A-level tracks, the good'ol NUS tracks, etc. Why ? I don't see anyone who are a champion from one of these tracks become successful in life. Both Sim Wong Hoo and Bill Gates gave up their racing tracks for real opportunities to be successful.

So, there are still people who will go round and round and ... when will that dead-end pursuit end with a "Eureka !"

The premise of this thread and the subsequent posts are all way off the mark. There is nothing wrong with the singapore education system per se. Fundamentally, the core is there. Ask any singapore students that transfer to a foreign uni for undergraduate studies, and you will find that the singapore system equips them very well to compete with Aussie, canadian, american and UK students. The lack of analytical thinking is problematic bit with effort, most singapore students studyong abroad can overcome this.

Where the problem lies is with society at large and parents in particular. Every parent thinks there kids are doctors, lawyers , etc. They push the kid to achieve academically to go into these professions, teachers are pushed to get the students grades a high as possible so that they can meet their parents expectations of their future profession. As a result, there is stress all the way down the line. This is simply a kiasu attitude at its worse. Parents pile on tutors at their kids, teachers pile on homework, and than stress themselves out by having to mark the assignments. Seriously, if you give the child 3 variations of the same problem and he can solve all 3, is there a need to make him do 20? The western education system is set up to make sure the kids know the knowledge, how to use it. The singapore system is set up to make sure the kid gets the highest score. This is the difference.

If a western parent had to send their kids to as many tuition as we do, they would have had a riot at the school. If you cannot teach the child all he or she needs to know at school, than the education system has failed. Western parents have a different mindset, and hence their expectation of the education system is different from singapore. A long as their child is happy in what profession they choose, and as long as they can earn a decent wage, they are ok with it. Does not matter if the child becomes a carpenter, plumber, mechanic, or anything like that, does not have to be a lawyer or surgeon, as long as they enjoy what they are doing. You can see most Drs. in singapore do not care about the patient, they are in it for the money and prestige.

Therefore, I say singapore does not need a better education system. Singapore needs less kiasu parents that will whack the MOE for the amount of homework, studies, etc. Singapore needs a govt. that can ensure that other professions other white collar are accorded some level of ability to pay well and not let in cheap unqualified FTs to steal these jobs. Believe me when I tell you that there are waiters in the US that eaily make USD$40K plus a year on tips and base pay. Waitering is look down on in singapore.
 

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Singapore's education system is indeed good. Definitely better than neighbours & other less developed countries. Especially for academic subjects with well-defined syllabus that can be drilled, with 10-year series, tuition etc. Many Asian countries also.

Some amount of repetition & discipline is essential for learning. But in recent years, this may have gotten out of hand. Driven by increased competition (including immigration, without which things would actually have gotten 'easier' since local birthrate has fallen). Tuition companies have capitalized on this. Some even claim 'scientific' methods that's at best questionable. The result is children spending too much time on structured top-down activities, whether planned by parents or school or tuition. Not enough time for their own initiative, interests. Will make excellent followers in future.

In a zoo, we see highly trained animals that can do all sorts of very clever tricks through repetitive training and structured (planned) rewards. Can these animals can survive back in the wild? Humans have dominated because of resourcefulness, creativity, endurance, social cohesion and sometimes aggressiveness. Doesn't make sense to stifle too much if we want to compete and survive in the future.
 

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The premise of this thread and the subsequent posts are all way off the mark. There is nothing wrong with the singapore education system per se. Fundamentally, the core is there.

Therefore, I say singapore does not need a better education system.

I disagree as on one hand you said there is nothing wrong and we do not need a better education system. On the other hand, you said what you see as being wrong. These are conflicting statements.

The premise of this thread on why we need a better education system is that, so we can have a much better cohort of students in general, with better abilities in creative thinking, a few that can be world leaders in the field of their expertise and even a few that can win Nobel prizes. The State and MOE should provide a better learning environment for all students. I need not delve deeper into this as in this thread we have discussed what can be done to create such an environment, like less stress, more time for learning but not for the sake of passing exams and etc. The current system is undesirable as it has made having extra tuition a must in order students can pass exams. Passing examinations is more important than learning it seems.:mad:

As you state, Singapore students do very well in other countries. That does not mean our education system is a failure, but it sure mean we need a better education system than what we have today.
 

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Singaporean students do very well in other countries because they realised how dumb the education system is after experiencing a good one in other country. I'm speaking as a former Singapore student that did further studies in Australia.

As you state, Singapore students do very well in other countries. That does not mean our education system is a failure, but it sure mean we need a better education system than what we have today.
 

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I do get the impression that many students with poor command of the English Language also fare badly in Maths.

It wasn't so obvious during my schooldays in Singapore since Chinese were in majority but when I was in US university, Chinese (and Koreans and Japanese) students who were struggling with English were always the tops in maths and maths-related subjects.
 
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Forvendet said:
It wasn't so obvious during my schooldays in Singapore since Chinese were in majority but when I was in US university, Chinese (and Koreans and Japanese) students who were struggling with English were always the tops in maths and maths-related subjects.

I think thst
 

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Forvendet said:
It wasn't so obvious during my schooldays in Singapore since Chinese were in majority but when I was in US university, Chinese (and Koreans and Japanese) students who were struggling with English were always the tops in maths and maths-related subjects.

I think there are two key factors at play here. One is a strong student versus a weak student. A strong student generally does better than the weaker student in most subjects. The other is an Arts person (right-brained?) versus a Science person (left-brained?). Where each is strong in is self-evident. The first example of the student good in English is also good at Maths exhibits the first influence. Chinese students in the US exhibits the second influence.
 

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Richard P. Feynman was born in New York City on the 11th May 1918. He studied at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology where he obtained his B.Sc. in 1939 and at Princeton University where he obtained his Ph.D. in 1942. He was Research Assistant at Princeton (1940-1941), Professor of Theoretical Physics at Cornell University (1945-1950), Visiting Professor and thereafter appointed Professor of Theoretical Physics at the California Institute of Technology (1950-1959). At present he is Richard Chace Tolman Professor of Theoretical Physics at the California Institute of Technology.

Professor Feynman is a member of the American Physical Society, the American Association for the Advancement of Science; the National Academy of Science; in 1965 he was elected a foreign member of the Royal Society, London (Great Britain).

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now we're talking :smile::smile::smile: if we're looking at "better, cheaper & faster" methods of mass produce of students, at what cost? China produces millions of graduates every year. so where are we positioning ourselves in preparation for the next few decades? values education?

if the education produce students who cannot think by themselves and have to follow and laws and rules without using the brains and no balls to fight for their rights, then the whole education system is deem a total failure.
 
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