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PMs agree to high speed rail link between Kuala Lumpur and Singapore 90 mins travel

Sideswipe

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this is good news for most people. i suppose, no matter which side of politics one supports in sg and malaysia..

should do the high speed rail from Bangkok to KL to Singapore.
 

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8 injured, trains to Singapore canceled after accident in Malaysia





KUALA LUMPUR, Jan. 26 (Xinhua) -- Trains from Malaysia going to Singapore are canceled on Saturday after a train derailed and four of its cars overturned, injuring at least seven passengers and a crew member.

Police said the 10-car train with 117 passengers onboard had derailed as it was passing a forest near the Singapore border in the afternoon after five cars came unhooked from the train.

Witnesses told reporters that some passengers were trapped in the front several cars for an hour without air conditioning after the accident.

Tourists from several countries including South Korea were on the train during the accident but police did not say if they were among the injured.

Police were still searching if there were more victims trapped in the derailed cars as operator KTM railway canceled trains for the day and offered ticket refunds.

This is accident wor. Ware's the terrorist linked KTM blowup sabo youve claimed?
 

oli9

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The network should be :
Singapore,
JB
Muar
Batu Pahat
Melaka
Kuala Lumpur

Boomzzzzzzzz

There's nothing at Batu Pahat. Muar is ok, can buy otah. Seremban no stop ah?
 

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Arent you the racist? Zapping was good man I got more now

I'm so glad you like it at least you are not in pain like that alamak guy. our hundu gods will be hurling some cow dung at your direction soon, don't mind the smell its holy dung.
 

RoyMcFarland

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2 years back, one Kancil driven by a fuckin JB Ah Beng cut my lane while I was driving my brother in law's car..

Happened at Upp Serangoon.. I horned at him but that CB Kia gave me the Yaya look..

Then one hour later while I was heading to Farrer Park, it was really fated that I saw his car parked near to Lavender's Eminent Plaza.. Thankfully I recognized his plate number..I duly got down from the car and gave his Kancil a good scar with my house keys..

Fuckin CB Jiu Hu Kia.. They bloody Yaya when in their home turf.. In Spore, they're also trying to be Yaya in our home ground..

Real cool Bro, scratching his car. I, on the other hand, would have done the really stupid thing of waiting for him to turn up and settle it like a wimp. Way to go, Bro!!
 

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To those PAPzi supporters harking on this news, my answer to you is :oIo:

If it was not for the despotic vile scum LKY, we would have had better relations with Malaysia decades ago. The good relations would have allowed Singaporeans to enter into business with resource-rich Malaysia. Transportation infrastructure would then be built to support the movement of goods and people across the causeway. This infrastructure would have included a modern rail system.

Major trading partners in other developed countries, if you look at Europe specifically, build excellent transportation systems across their national boundaries to allow for expedient movement of people and goods. Unfortunately for the dumbfuck PAPzis, they are about 30 years late.


Yes. Many countries have much better relationships with their neighbors but LKY likes to play up sinkieland machiam SEA's Israel....constantly using Malaysia as the bogeyman
 
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Yes. Many countries have much better relationships with their neighbors but LKY likes to play up sinkieland machiam SEA's Israel....constantly using Malaysia as the bogeyman

It's not fair to be one-sided
Malaysia too had used Singapore as the punching bag too
I hope these two countries will reconcile amicably like you and me
And work towards a greater and more prosperous Majulah Greater Malaysia!!!
 

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this is good news for most people. i suppose, no matter which side of politics one supports in sg and malaysia..

should do the high speed rail from Bangkok to KL to Singapore.

Totally agree with you on this. Singapore should suggest a few stops other than KL so that we don't have to take a bigger share of cost of their domestic network.
 

Narong Wongwan

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It's not fair to be one-sided
Malaysia too had used Singapore as the punching bag too
I hope these two countries will reconcile amicably like you and me
And work towards a greater and more prosperous Majulah Greater Malaysia!!!
Ok let me rephrase.... evil politicians like LKY and his Malaysian counterparts intentionally fucked up neighborly relations as means to stay in power.
 

Fook Seng

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Ok let me rephrase.... evil politicians like LKY and his Malaysian counterparts intentionally fucked up neighborly relations as means to stay in power.

This would be a high risk strategy. There is a high risky that they might lose the confidence of the people on their ability to keep away from trouble.
 

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There's nothing at Batu Pahat. Muar is ok, can buy otah. Seremban no stop ah?

Duno but they building this big new train station quite far from the town center. Its way quite far from anything and all I see are vegi farms and new expansive houses build around there. 1 advice thou don't buy those houses there. Its build on swampland and before its even up for sale you can already find structural cracks all over the walls locals all comment only dumb KL and Sinkies will buy.
 

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8 injured, trains to Singapore canceled after accident in Malaysia

English.news.cn 2013-01-26 20:36:26



KUALA LUMPUR, Jan. 26 (Xinhua) -- Trains from Malaysia going to Singapore are canceled on Saturday after a train derailed and four of its cars overturned, injuring at least seven passengers and a crew member.

Police said the 10-car train with 117 passengers onboard had derailed as it was passing a forest near the Singapore border in the afternoon after five cars came unhooked from the train.

Witnesses told reporters that some passengers were trapped in the front several cars for an hour without air conditioning after the accident.

Tourists from several countries including South Korea were on the train during the accident but police did not say if they were among the injured.

Police were still searching if there were more victims trapped in the derailed cars as operator KTM railway canceled trains for the day and offered ticket refunds.

Normal speed = injury
High speed = death
 

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Without going through the 8 pages of posting, i strongly recommend them to target JB-SG first. There is an assured critical mass and cronies sure make money. But then again "HIGH SPEED RAIL CONNECTING KL-SINGAPORE" makes better headlines.
 

LeMans2011

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Japan has nationwide intercity Shinkansen connections (normal rail for smaller towns) but it is not cheap. I won't expect SG-KL high speed rail fares to be cheap either, maybe more expensive than airfare since it saves a lot of travel times. When PAP cronies and UMNO cronies start discussing their profit shares, it will take another 20 years for this to happen.
 

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Hong Kong is currently constructing the line and station for China's HSR. Many Hongkongers are not very happy spending so much money for just one station and the line (land acquisition from owners) to appease China.
 

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Some political backdrop (across the causeway) to rail link buzz. Vested interests from MM's era.

The Truth Behind the Northern Double Track Project &
Corporate Giants cashing out. Must Read !!

Mahathir Mohamad awarded the Double Tracking Project to MMC-Gamuda on 21st October 2003, just nine days before he stepped down as Prime Minister. On 1st November 2003, Abdullah Ahmad Badawi, fondly known as Pak Lah, took over as Prime Minister. The first thing that Pak Lah did when he took over as Prime Minister was to cancel Mahathir’s pet projects. The Crooked Bridge to Singapore was one and the Double Tracking Project was the other, which Pak Lah shelved the following month in December 2003.

Mahathir was furious. He had spent more than a year from mid-2002 to late 2003 discussing with Pak Lah as to what he can and cannot do once he took over as Prime Minister. Whether Pak Lah just forgot or whether he did a dirty on Dr Mahathir is not too clear. But the long and short of it, Pak Lah did everything he promised he would not do. And cancelling Mahathir’s pet projects was clearly one of the do-not-do's.

Actually, Pak Lah had a great dislike for Syed Mokhtar Al-Bukhary who had shunned him when he was the Deputy Prime Minister. Hence, within just a month of taking over as Prime Minister, Pak Lah did the unthinkable. He cancelled the Double Tracking Project, the Crooked Bridge Project, and all those other projects that Mahathir had given to his cronies. Did anyone not bother to tell Pak Lah that one just does not slaughter sacred cows, in particular Mahathir’s sacred cows?

Pak Lah explained that the government’s ‘poor finances’ did not permit such grandiose projects -- hence the need to cancel them. This caused Mahathir to flip. It gave the impression that Mahathir’s mismanagement has bled the country’s finances dry -- hence there is no more money.
It also gave the impression that Mahathir’s projects are a total waste of money -- hence the need to cancel them.
In short, Mahathir is a bungling idiot.

Try as he may, Syed Mokhtar could not get Pak Lah to agree to revive the Double Tracking Project. By 2006, Syed Mokhtar became very desperate. To get the project, he had already paid out commissions and under-table-money to various parties during Mahathir’s time. Syed Mokhtar realised that the only way to get this project back on track would be to work through the back door.

Syed Mokhtar asked the CEO of Gamuda, Lin Yun Ling, to approach Seow Lun Hoo to mastermind the penetration of Pak Lah’s inner circle. That was how Seow first involved Khairy Jamaludin, Pak Lah’s son-in-law, and later Shah Hakim, the close associate of Kamaluddin, Pak Lah’s son.

And by a wave of the magical wand of Shah Hakim and Kamaluddin Badawi, the project began to be revived. All these facts have now been revealed in court when Seow and Shah Hakim admitted that they “provided technical expertise and networking capabilities to help revive the once-shelved RM12.4 billion double-tracking railway project….It was through our efforts that the project was revived.” The ‘networking capabilities’ and revival efforts included opening doors for Lin to present the revival ideas to then Minister-in-Charge of the Economic Planning Unit (EPU), Effendi Norwawi. Effendi initially told Lin that given Pak Lah’s grim description of the country’s finances it would be difficult for the government to be seen as reviving it from government funding. Effendi, the Sarawak financial wizard, then created this fanciful term for Lin to use when presenting the proposal to the government as a way in getting the
project revived -- Private Finance Initiatives (PFI).

The idea was: the private sector can include all their additional financial costs and risks into the PFI proposal to make the project costs higher. Effendi also advised that after approval has been obtained, the PFI project could then revert to a design-and-build project fully shouldered by the government.

And that was exactly how MMC-Gamuda cheated the Malaysian public into believing that the PFI projects were fully funded by the private sector whereas in the end the taxpayers would be footing the bill.

For his wonderful advice and support, Effendi also asked Lin to sponsor his new wife’s hobby in extravagant stage productions. That explained how Effendi’s wife, Tiara Jacqueline, could have the finances to mount the most glamorous and expensive Malay stage play to date -- Puteri Gunung Ledang. Lin and Syed Mokhtar were also made to sponsor Pak Lah’s wife’s pet project in the Pride Foundation and Endon Award for Performing Arts Excellence scholarship fund.

You see, Pak Lah, his family, and his friends in the cabinet, wanted to teach Syed Mokhtar and his sidekick, Lin, a good lesson for shunning them during Mahathir’s time. So they were going to make MMC-Gamuda pay for every single one of their whimsical pleasures.

In truth, what Pak Lah did was not new. The same thing had been done during Mahathir’s time by appeasing Siti Hasmah. And now, all the corporate giants in the country are outdoing each other to appease Najib’s wife, Rosmah Mansor. The mainstream media will give prominence to the generous donations by these corporate giants to Rosmah’s pet project, Permata. What is unseen is that they also donate more generously to Rosmah’s fetish for Hermes Birkin handbags and jewellery.

The story would be incomplete without explaining that the Chairman of the Cabinet Committee on Infrastructure at that time was, coincidentally, Najib himself. Najib endorsed the revival of the project because Syed Mokhtar had agreed for Najib’s brothers to also take huge cuts in various parts of this revived project.

Nazim Razak (Jim) was the architect who will design the various railway stations, Nazir Razak (Jay) of CIMB will be the merchant banker for the PFI, Nizam Razak will be providing financial and share advisory, while Najib’s job is to approve its revival.

That is why the Plaintiff’s company is called NR Sistem, which are the initials of the Razak band of brothers.

So why the quarrel now if everyone in Umno and the Umno cronies were going to benefit?

Shah Hakim had a deep distrust for Syed Mokhtar. So he had convinced Effendi that the project should be divided into two parts – the Infrastructure Works to be awarded directly to MGJV for RM10 billion and the Systems Work for RM2.38 billion which will be given to a contractor of the government’s choice. The Systems Work was supposed
to be sub-contracted by MGJV to NR Sistem.

When Syed Mokhtar realised that the 30% margin that the Shah Hakim group was going to make from the RM2.38 billion System Work contract amounted to RM600 million, Syed Mokhtar got upset. He complained to Mahathir about how Pak Lah had cancelled the project and forced him to use the services of Shah Hakim who will now make RM600 million ‘atas angin’. Mahathir advised Syed Mokhtar to stall signing any contract with NR Sistem for the Systems Work.

At that time, Najib decided to play the neutral game in the open confrontation between Dr Mahathir and Pak Lah. As far as Najib was concerned, he had already secured all the contracts for his brothers. Mahathir was still very powerful and his attacks could damage Najib’s political career. On the other hand, if Mahathir’s vicious attacks against Pak Lah succeeded, Najib could unseat Pak Lah as the PM without having to challenge him as Umno President.
That was why, in 2007, Mahathir mounted vicious attacks against Pak Lah and mocked him about being Mr Clean. Meantime, Syed Mokhtar directed Lin to force Seow and Shah Hakim to accept a reduced profit margin RM360 million instead of RM600 million.

This infuriated Shah Hakim and Kamaluddin because they thought they had already agreed to the 30% margin, which was equivalent to RM600 million. That money was needed not just for them personally but also to fund Pak Lah’s 2008 elections campaign. Syed Mokhtar held back the money and refused to give Pak Lah what he needed for the 12th general election campaign. Mahathir had advised Syed Mokhtar to hang on and not to commit to any figure as Mahathir wanted Pak Lah to perform badly in the election and subsequently be ousted. The only way someone can become Prime Minister in this country is by paying huge sums of money to supporters to vote them into the hot seat. Without funds, Pak Lah could not pay for votes and was ousted.

Without enough funds, Mahathir’s plan became a reality. BN and Umno fared poorly in the March 2008 GE -- which was regarded as Pak Lah losing not just the elections but also losing face as well when Bumiputera businessmen whom had benefitted from Umno’s patronage dare renege on their promise of providing funding.

This was worrisome to the Umno inner circle. The March 2008 GE was regarded as Pak Lah’s personal defeat and Mahathir unleashed the Umno warlords to cry for Pak Lah’s blood.

Post-March 2008, it was imminent that Pak Lah would have to give way to Najib. Syed Mokhtar, being the shrewd businessman that he is, then directed Lin not to sign anything with Shah Hakim’s NR Sistem -- even for the agreed price of RM360 million -- as Pak Lah could no longer pose any threat to the project. Syed Mokhtar’s mentor, Mahathir, also wanted to ridicule Pak Lah’s son, Kamaludidn, and his son-in-law, Khairy Jamaludin (that they are nothing without Abdullah Badawi in power). Syed Mokhtar also wanted Kamaludin and Shah Hakim to beg him for the RM360 million that Lin had promised them.

Syed Mokhtar never intended to pay Kamaluddin and Shah Hakim the RM600 million nor the 33% or RM3.3 billion from the RM10 billion Infrastructure Works. All in all, Syed Mokhtar earned RM3.7 billion from the combined value of RM12.4 billion for the Double Tracking Rail Project.

That is why Scomi has been sidelined from most government businesses and projects. Kamaluddin Badawi and Shah Hakim were then forced to sue MMC – Gamuda and expose in court that this is how BN/Umno raise funds for the elections.

This explains Najib’s Economic Transformation Plan where the government will again undertake gargantuan projects on the pretext of injecting a revival of the economy. In truth, it is just further acts of plundering the nation.

Just imagine how much money Syed Mokhtar will make from the KL MRT Project, which is valued at RM50 billion. Umno cronies expect a margin of 30%. That would be a cool RM15 billion! Now, add that to the recent KIDEX project awarded to companies owned by Umno Lawyer, Hafarizam Harun, and former Chief Justice, Zaki Azmi. Consider also the sale of the 26 kilometre Kuala Lumpur-Putrajaya Highway, better known as the Maju Expressway (MEX), to EP Manufacturing Berhad for RM 1.7 billion -- where the original construction cost of RM976.6 million was by way of a government grant, i.e. taxpayers’ money. Include the NFC scandal and the 1Malaysia Development Berhad’s suspicious purchase of tycoon Ananda Krishan’s power business at RM8 billion. All this is proof that UMNO is desperately raising funds for the election as well as plundering the nation in a big way one last time. All the UMNO top guns are filling up their pockets as they realise that BN is doomed.

This is how Umno operates. It is Umno culture. They will milk the country until the country is dry.

Malaysia will soon become the next Greece if we do not kick out UMNO. So, whichever prime minister you have, it will still be the same until you get rid of UMNO. But what is also untold is that all these will have to be paid by hiking the project costs many-folds and it is the country and the public that will pay for such highly inflated costs.

This is how Umno does business and controls the award of Government tenders. Projects are awarded, then shelved, then revived at a much higher cost, then given a new name or rebranded, and then passed back to the government to shoulder. It also reveals the huge profit margins that are made to line the pockets of the Umno cronies using the tax payer’s money and our EPF contributions.

How long more are Malaysians going to tolerate these dirty parasites?
 

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When I was talking to some Indonesian about corruption in Indonesians they told me that corruption in Spore was more orderly. I guess they mean't it was Lee-galised:biggrin:
Back then I really didn't appreciate what they mean't by orderly:o

Looking at the situation in Malaysian I can now appreciated what they meant. Got a headache just trying to follow the complicated politics in Malaysian politics. Same problem must exist in Indonesia.
In Spore you just need to know a few elites & anything can be done :wink:
 

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I heard on the news that the fares on the proposed train will start at somewhere above $100+.

Currently the bus fare is $30 to KL. So will there be enough well off travellers willing to pay:confused:
 
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