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Opposition Supporters and Class Warfare

Extremist

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Opposition Supporters and Class Warfare

I think it’s about time we take a break and analyze the type of people who support the Opposition parties (or TRS followers for that matter) vs. the type of people who support PAP.

I have been talking to many supporters from both camps, as well as following the TRS regularly and the profile I built for these two camps turned out to be very scary and disturbing.

PAP Supporters: Either from the older generation, or from the ‘successful’ part of the younger generation. By successful, I mean the typically more educated (a lot of academic scholars). Many young entrepreneurs, or bosses also belong to this group. In other words, people who have made it. They are typically not the kind of people who are ‘afraid’ of FTs taking away their jobs- because they are valuable workers and their companies are willing to pay more for them.

Opposition Supporters: Now almost an opposite demography emerges. Most opposition supporters fall into the ‘lower tier’ of Singaporeans. The tier that is not good enough to succeed in Singapore’s competitive climate. Either they didn’t do well in school, or have not acquired or developed any niches that would have rendered them valuable to society. Because of this, they are often ‘outclassed’ by FT professionals. They usually blame it on the lower wages FTs get- but will never (or very hard to get them to) consider that they were displaced by FTs who are more hardworking and capable then themselves.

Now these are just my personal observations. What would be useful is a study done collecting the education level, the pay check, type of employment ect. of the supporters between the two camps. Then we will be able to (statistically) see a clearer picture.

Now assuming my premise is correct, this is a very scary situation. Because this means a class warfare is brewing among our society. What’s more disturbing about the picture is that unlike, many class war-fares in human history, the upper class in Singapore if primarily forged out of meritocracy.

If a society is uprising against an upper class forged out of bloodlines or dictatorships, then perhaps such an uprising and disruption of society in necessary for true progress to be made. But when we are trying to revolutionize a society based on meritocracy, what are we trzing to change it to?

Are we pushing for a society where you are not rewarded according to your merits/ how good you are? Are we fighting for a society where we pay people $3000 sgd a month to wash plates?

These may sound silly, but they are really not. This is because of the demography of the opposition supporters. Which means if they (the less educated, less successful ‘worker-bee’ class, or the few genuinely lazy folk) take over the parliament, they are going to start to enact systems/ mechanisms that favor themselves- the weak.

Do we want to forcefully create a society which favors the weak? I use forcefully because nature always favors the strong and that’s how species evolve to become greater.

Anyway, the point is if we start to be run by the weak, we will indefinitely deteriorate as a state. Everything we have saved through generations of hard work and sacrifice will be wastefully thrown into social spending which would last for one or two generations. Then we will start getting into some serous debt (just like every other non- resource based welfare state) and be in serious trouble.

This piece comes with not conclusion. It is more of a FFT piece. Think about how Singapore politics is forming up, and whether it is healthy for the lower class to fight against an upper class forged through meritocracy. More can be done to ensure that the lower class gets equal opportunities in education so that the next generation have an equal chance to earn their spot in the upper class (as many have).

But fighting against meritocracy all together is a very dangerous (and illogical) path to take.

http://sgbangla.wordpress.com/2013/11/26/opposition-supporters-and-class-warfare/
 

Asterix

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The author who wrote the above post is an idiot who has not read Chapter 4 of Machiavelli's Discourses on Levy. Here is an extract:

THAT DISUNION OF THE PLEBS [lower classes according to that idiot] AND THE ROMAN SENATE [upper class according to that idiot] MADE THAT REPUBLIC FREE AND POWERFUL

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I say that those who condemn the tumults between the nobles and the plebs, appear to me to blame those things that were the chief causes for keeping Rome free, and that they paid more attention to the noises and shouts that arose in those tumults than to the good effects they brought forth, and that they did not consider that in every Republic there are two different viewpoints, that of the People and that of the Nobles; and that all the laws that are made in favor of liberty result from their disunion, as may easily be seen to have happened in Rome, for from Tarquin to the Gracchi which was more than three hundred years, the tumults of Rome rarely brought forth exiles, and more rarely blood. Nor is it possible therefore to judge these tumults harmful, nor divisive to a Republic, which in so great a time sent into exile no more than eight or ten of its citizens because of its differences, and put to death only a few, and condemned in money [fined] not very many: nor can a Republic in any way with reason be called disordered where there are so many examples of virtu, for good examples result from good education, good education from good laws, and good laws from those tumults which many inconsiderately condemn; for he who examines well the result of these, will not find that they have brought forth any exile or violence prejudicial to the common good, but laws and institutions in benefit of public liberty. And if anyone should say the means were extraordinary and almost savage, he will see the People together shouting against the Senate, The Senate against the People, running tumultuously throughout the streets, locking their stores, all the Plebs departing from Rome, all of which [things] alarm only those who read of them; I say, that every City ought to have their own means with which its People can give vent to their ambitions, and especially those Cities which in important matters, want to avail themselves of the People; among which the City of Rome had this method, that when those people wanted to obtain a law, either they did some of the things mentioned before or they would not enroll their names to go to war, so that to placate them it was necessary [for the Senate] in some part to satisfy them: and the desires of a free people rarely are pernicious to liberty, because they arise either from being oppressed or from the suspicion of going to be oppressed. And it these opinions should be false, there is the remedy of haranguing [public assembly], where some upright man springs up who through oratory shows them that they deceive themselves; and the people [as Tullius Cicero says] although they are ignorant, are capable of [appreciating] the truth, and easily give in when the truth is given to them by a trustworthy man.

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PrinceCharming

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THAT DISUNION OF THE PLEBS [lower classes according to that idiot] AND THE ROMAN SENATE [upper class according to that idiot] MADE THAT REPUBLIC FREE AND POWERFUL...........

When was this written? 350 years ago?

Were there WTO, TPP, internet, social media....then?
 

jw5

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Add to your above observation: Ho Jinx would not have become the CEO of Temasick. Pinky's brother would have not been able to become CEO of SingTel.

but.....but......but....... aren't they supposed to be an "exceptional" family?

:rolleyes:
 

wMulew

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Dumbfuck opposition supporting retard talking through their collective ass. The rich and educated are the ones that supports the opposition, the poor are the ones supporting PAP. There was a survey done after GE2011
 

CheeByeKiaTonyChat

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Dumbfuck opposition supporting retard talking through their collective ass. The rich and educated are the ones that supports the opposition, the poor are the ones supporting PAP. There was a survey done after GE2011

Do not blame the whiners. Most of them are retarded opposition supporting morons who do not even have secondary school level education and do not understand basic mathematics or economics. The concept of investment is foreign to them. All they see is the money in front of them.

Fucktard PAP doggy,

So which is which? Opposition supporters are poorly educated sec sch people or are rich and educated?

FuckTard :oIo:
 

Agoraphobic

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Allow my two cents input on this:

The Oppo/PAP segments have little to do with the social class divide. There are equal numbers of supporters to each from both sides. What it is is the "comfort" level afforded by the PAP (or what it seems to be). Singapore prospered because of her strategic location, openess to world trade, regional peace, obedient citizenry. These factors, together with human's natural want for progress allowed the steady progress witnessed (and not interrupted by major natural calamities). The rulig party has been able to reside in power through this period has managed to convince the people that they were the ones responsible for this growth. On this, many people are convinced this is so and wish to continue the progress and stability in their lives. They believe that if someone else were in power, their lives wouldn't be comfortable. Those who oppose, are ready for a change, quite fed up with the "staged" policies they've been raised to believe in. They have had enough of the gov't regulated press feeding them crap and would like to see a level playing field. In this area of "politicking," in Singapore're short history, only one man would be what I call a real politician - LKY. Everyone else is just some academician. manager, technocrat, or cock-sucker. LHL wouldn't be PM if not for his papa's influence and political manipulation. This is fact of the political scene here.

Cheers!
 

tanwahtiu

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PAP popularity was down since 1984. You see it happening at their PAP rallies in 1984GE with only their Stats boards workers at their rally ground, how pathetic. Ship them a bus load some more, then they get free day off.

Can still remembered my first and last PAP rally held at Clementi Stadium all PAP stat boards workers on the rally ground. At least uncle go his rally and see what he has to say, give face to him but he disappointed me with his no large crowd rally leh, jiak leow bee.

Then old fart can say no need to come to his rally people can watch his message on TVs. Like that also can? So from then onward no need to go since he says so.

1989 he changes all that to GRC, dirty scumbag. He was more worried of his own votes % coming down than anything else. Big malu for him if he garners 50% vote counts only. So instead it was him that he hide behind his mates, not so he was an anchor man, as if, and want us to believe.






Utterly gibbberish. have literate and successful friends who supported the oppos leh.
 
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ChenHaoNan

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FYI, here's a couple of PAP astroturfing blogs:


http://sgbangla.wordpress.com

http://sgfactblog.wordpress.com


Beware of those who readily copy&paste from them. :wink:

Cb Asam laksa one more time you picha our lobang I will screw your ass with this finger

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