[Malaysia] - Govt officers go undercover to arrest Muslims eating during fasting hours

[UltimaOnline]

Btw, was at the Haig Road hawker center (next to Geylang Serai pasar malam) yesterday during lunch time, lots (50+) of non-Chinese eating at the 2 rows of Muslim stalls there, a mix of foreign workers and locals.

Also read the visitors' comments below the article.

https://sg.yahoo.com/news/segamat-council-officers-undercover-cooks-010045751.html

 

[syed putra]

There is no such thing as fasting. Its suppose to be self discipline. from what?

. 2:183 O you who trust - it has been prescribed upon you the self-discipline the way it was dictated on those from before you - so that you observe. 2:184 Certain days are selected. Therefore whoever from among you is incapable or on assignments, thus, choose from other days. And upon those who find it inconvenient – recover by feeding the needy - thus anyone volunteers to do good it would be better for him. And surely being discipline is good for you - if you know

 

[Hypocrite-The]

No Compulsion in religion indeed..
Segamat council officers go undercover as cooks, secretly photograph non-fasting Muslims

G. Prakash
Malay Mail23 May 2019

Mosque committee members prepare for iftar at Masjid Jamek in Seberang Jaya May 21, 2019. — Picture by Sayuti Zainudin
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KUALA LUMPUR, May 23 — Segamat Municipal Council (MPS) officers are disguising themselves as food stall operators, cooks and waiters in a bid to catch Muslims who do not fast during Ramadan.
MPS president Mohd Masni Wakiman told English daily New Straits Times (NST) that the council in Johor was working with the Segamat Islamic Religious Department to track those Muslims down, especially at stalls under MPS’ supervision.
Mohd Masni said there are 185 licensed stalls and food outlets under MPS at 15 locations.
These include Segamat, Bandar Putra IOI, Segamat Baru, Jalan Segamat Muar, Taman Yayasan, Buloh Kasap, Jementah, Batu Anam and Bandar Utama.
He said MPS has 32 enforcement officers, including two officers who are good at making roti canai, tea and mee goreng mamak, who will disguise themselves as cooks and waiters to catch Muslims eating at the 185 food stalls.
“We have specially selected enforcement officers who are dark-skinned for the undercover job.
“They sound convincing when they speak the Indonesian and Pakistani lingo, so the customers will believe they are really hired to cook, serve meals and take orders,” he was reported as saying.
Mohd Masni added that once the order is sent, the enforcement officer will secretly take a photograph of the person enjoying the meal and immediately alert the Segamat Islamic Religious Council for them to take appropriate action.
“The MPS does not want to be seen as not making an effort to handle the issue of Muslims eating in the open during Ramadan.
“It is not only disrespectful for Islam, but also reflects badly on MPS as the act is committed at stalls under its supervision,” he said.
Meanwhile, Segamat kadi Baharin Jalal told NST that he appreciated the efforts shown by other agencies in safeguarding the image of Islam.
“I also advise food traders not to allow Muslims to eat at their stalls during the fasting period.
“The action of this small number of Muslims is shameful and gives the wrong impression of Islam in the eyes of those from other faiths,” he said.
Muslims are allowed to abstain from fasting if they are unable to, such as when travelling or sick, and can replace the lost days later.
Under Section 15 of the state’s Shariah Criminal Offences Enactment 1997, those who sell food to fasting Muslims or Muslims who skip from fasting can be penalised with a fine not more than RM1,000, imprisoned not more than six months, or both, for their first offence.

 

[glockman]

Looks like the faithful are not so faithful. There is hope.

 

[JohnTan]

KUALA LUMPUR (AFP) - Malaysian officials are disguising themselves as cooks and waiters to catch Muslims who don't fast during Ramadan, with a rights group Thursday (May 23) blasting the "disgraceful act of spying".

Thirty-two enforcement officers from a local council in the Muslim-majority country are going undercover at food outlets as part of the scheme, the New Straits Times newspaper reported.

https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/s...cials-go-undercover-to-spy-on-fasting-muslims

 

[JohnTan]

KUALA LUMPUR, May 23 — Segamat Municipal Council (MPS) officers are disguising themselves as food stall operators, cooks and waiters in a bid to catch Muslims who do not fast during Ramadan.

MPS president Mohd Masni Wakiman told English daily New Straits Times (NST) that the council in Johor was working with the Segamat Islamic Religious Department to track those Muslims down, especially at stalls under MPS’ supervision.

Mohd Masni said there are 185 licensed stalls and food outlets under MPS at 15 locations.

These include Segamat, Bandar Putra IOI, Segamat Baru, Jalan Segamat Muar, Taman Yayasan, Buloh Kasap, Jementah, Batu Anam and Bandar Utama.

He said MPS has 32 enforcement officers, including two officers who are good at making roti canai, tea and mee goreng mamak, who will disguise themselves as cooks and waiters to catch Muslims eating at the 185 food stalls.

“We have specially selected enforcement officers who are dark-skinned for the undercover job.

“They sound convincing when they speak the Indonesian and Pakistani lingo, so the customers will believe they are really hired to cook, serve meals and take orders,” he was reported as saying.

Mohd Masni added that once the order is sent, the enforcement officer will secretly take a photograph of the person enjoying the meal and immediately alert the Segamat Islamic Religious Council for them to take appropriate action.

“The MPS does not want to be seen as not making an effort to handle the issue of Muslims eating in the open during Ramadan.

“It is not only disrespectful for Islam, but also reflects badly on MPS as the act is committed at stalls under its supervision,” he said.

Meanwhile, Segamat kadi Baharin Jalal told NST that he appreciated the efforts shown by other agencies in safeguarding the image of Islam.

“I also advise food traders not to allow Muslims to eat at their stalls during the fasting period.

“The action of this small number of Muslims is shameful and gives the wrong impression of Islam in the eyes of those from other faiths,” he said.

Muslims are allowed to abstain from fasting if they are unable to, such as when travelling or sick, and can replace the lost days later.

Under Section 15 of the state’s Shariah Criminal Offences Enactment 1997, those who sell food to fasting Muslims or Muslims who skip from fasting can be penalised with a fine not more than RM1,000, imprisoned not more than six months, or both, for their first offence.

https://sg.news.yahoo.com/segamat-council-officers-undercover-cooks-010045751.html

 

[Hypocrite-The]

Wat about the no compulsion in religion?

 

[JohnTan]

Wat about the no compulsion in religion?

 

[Hypocrite-The]

Tell tat to the resident mudslime whore n her Kakis

 

[JohnTan]

Tell tat to the resident mudslime whore n her Kakis

Whoreme is retarded beyong belief. I've seen pigs smarter than he is. He is firmly on his way to hell.

 

[Hypocrite-The]

Whoreme is retarded beyong belief. I've seen pigs smarter than he is. He is firmly on his way to hell.

She will deny it n say it's a religion of peace...n no compulsion in religion despite the contrary results shown

 

[AhMeng]

This is something I don't understand. Why need to enforce? It's your relationship with God and you are answerable for your number of fasting days in your conscience. Why so worried about giving wrong impression to people outside your faith? End of the day, when you die, God is the judge, not people of other faiths or even the same faith.

 

[Hypocrite-The]

This is something I don't understand. Why need to enforce? It's your relationship with God and you are answerable for your number of fasting days in your conscience. Why so worried about giving wrong impression to people outside your faith? End of the day, when you die, God is the judge, not people of other faiths or even the same faith.

Too mudslimes outward piety is more important than faith within

 

[UltimaOnline]

Actually, even God (all religions have erroneous ideas of 'God', so whether even 'God' exists at all depends on your definition of 'God', the 'God' of religions is an illusion, and while some of the 'gods' or 'deities' of some religions do or did exist (and are mostly extraterrestrial, extradimensional and/or extraphysical, although some have indeed incarnated into physical form for the purpose of carrying out their own agendas), but even they, are not what the followers of the religions think they are) doesn't judge you after you die.

Your Council of Elders (chaired by your Evolutionary Orientor) comes closest to what some might call judgement of the soul after death. But even they, from their perspective, do not judge you, so much as they wish to help you, in your soul's endless evolution.

This is something I don't understand. Why need to enforce? It's your relationship with God and you are answerable for your number of fasting days in your conscience. Why so worried about giving wrong impression to people outside your faith? End of the day, when you die, God is the judge, not people of other faiths or even the same faith.

 

[AhMeng]

Too mudslimes outward piety is more important than faith within

I won't go as far to say that. But society has changed and laws and practices need to change too.Its just like the damn Chinese fuckers who like to burn joss papers and pollute the fucking environment. In the old days when population is not so densely populated, its probably fine. In a fucking urban metropolis like Singapore and you are still burning like you do 50 years ago, you are a fucking sinner killing others with smoke pollution just for your fucking beliefs.

 

[Hypocrite-The]

Now, Segamat municipal council denies clandestine op to catch non-fasting Muslims
Published 7 hours ago on 23 May 2019

BY SHAZWAN MUSTAFA KAMAL

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Segamat Municipal Council personnel conducting checks on a food stall May 15, 2019. — Picture from Facebook/Majlis Perbandaran Segamat
Segamat Municipal Council personnel conducting checks on a food stall May 15, 2019. — Picture from Facebook/Majlis Perbandaran Segamat
KUALA LUMPUR, May 23 — The Segamat Municipal Council (MPS) has today denied reports of its officers disguising themselves as food stall operators, cooks and waiters in a special operation to catch Muslims who do not fast during Ramadan.


In a statement, MPS also denied that its own president Mohd Masni Wakiman was the one quoted in the reports, claiming that it had never issued any statement on the matter.


“MPS has never conducted any operation in disguise to spy on Muslim individuals who are not fasting during the month of Ramadan as stated.

“Such a move is beyond the jurisdiction of MPS,” the council said.


MPS’ own president was quoted by English daily New Straits Times (NST) as saying that the council in Johor was working with the Segamat Islamic Religious Department to track those Muslims down, especially at stalls under MPS’ supervision.

Mohd Hasni had reportedly said that MPS has 32 enforcement officers, including two officers who are good at making roti canai, tea and mee goreng mamak, who will disguise themselves as cooks and waiters to catch Muslims eating at the 185 food stalls.

He was quoted saying that the council had purposely selected “dark-skinned” enforcement officers to pose as Indonesian or Pakistani workers.

Mohd Masni added that once the order is sent, the enforcement officer will secretly take a photograph of the person enjoying the meal and immediately alert the Segamat Islamic Religious Council for them to take appropriate action.

But MPS denied this as being remarks made by its own president, but did not clarify in the statement as to whether he had been misquoted or whether his comments had been taken out of context.

Muslims are allowed to abstain from fasting if they are unable to, such as when travelling or sick, and can replace the lost days later.

Under Section 15 of Johor’s Shariah Criminal Offences Enactment 1997, those who sell food to fasting Muslims or Muslims who skip from fasting can be penalised with a fine not more than RM1,000, imprisoned not more than six months, or both, for their first offence

https://www.malaymail.com/news/mala...landestine-op-to-catch-non-fasting-mu/1755746

 

[Semaj2357]

This is something I don't understand. Why need to enforce? It's your relationship with God and you are answerable for your number of fasting days in your conscience. Why so worried about giving wrong impression to people outside your faith? End of the day, when you die, God is the judge, not people of other faiths or even the same faith.

well said, and i'm with you on this.
what ever happened to self-discipline, moral and religious beliefs, as opposed to having others police your personal space (and eating habits)
even if the mozzies here didn't fast, will the poodles bring them in, to "lim kopi" - in which case they are abetting them in crime

 

[JohnTan]

what ever happened to self-discipline, moral and religious beliefs, as opposed to having others police your personal space (and eating habits)

One of the real pillars of Islam is compulsion.

Moslems in moslem majority countries are nearly always compelled to remain moslem for life by law. For moslems living as minorities, they are required to police each other and use emotional or physical coercion to force each other to remain in islam.

In some highly islamic places, it is compulsory for civil servants to attend mosque every friday. Attendance is taken and moslems caught skipping prayers will be penalized at work.

Getting the police involve in ensuring moslems fast is just an extension of the culture of compulsion in Islam.

 

[ChristJohnny]

All muslims are good … they don't rape boys and girls including family members. So it must be fake news.

 

[bobby]

So much about religious freedom in a so called democracy.

Must as well just impose shariah law instead.