LHL: Look! The PA is like the MOE, ok?

[kingrant]

Turning to the People's Association (PA) controversy, Mr Lee stressed that the PA is not a political organisation

He said: "The PA serves all the residents in the constituency, and it's non-political, in fact it doesn't allow political activities on its premises when it runs its own activities. But guidance must be from somebody who's working on behalf of the Government. It's like having the Ministry of Education, the civil servants are impartial and neutral but the Minister is a Government Minister."


This idiot is clearly trying to smoke young Singaporeans. How can the analogy even be made with his straight I-am-not-a-crook face! The PA was born out of the ashes of a political fallout, when a faction split from the PAP in the 60s and sacked all their branches. Thereafter, to prevent a reccurrence, the PA was formed to button up all their grass-roots activist organisations. The MOE is a Ministry staffed by civil servants, and has always been one since the British days.

All Ministries can be headed by a PAP Minister, but putting a PAP Minister at the head of an org will not automatically make it a Ministry! Singaporeans must be more discerning and critical, and not accept this kind of garbage. LOL!

 

[neddy]

The PAP has destroyed civics & civil society, nothing new.
PAP has destroyed the good institutions that the British have left for us, incl. the purpose of CPF.
That is why your contributions to this forum is so important. Thankyou.


Reminds me of bored PRC visitors in Taiwan's National Palace Museum, which house the pride of Chinese civilization. How to comprehend a people who gave up 8000 years of culture for the single pursuit of money.

 

[Kid278]

If one looks deep they'll see this whole concept of PA is identical to ideologies of communism. I think papzis sometimes even addresses each other as comrades, a terminology practised by communist. We all know what era the old fart comes from and it's no surprise such concepts are adopted.

So long as the papzis are in power they're not going to let go of this machinery, a tool that helps keep them stay in power. They had all along insisted that two party system or parliamentary pluralism will not work for singgiland so while we claim to be democratic, it's only half bake with little difference from being communist. Is PA a political organization or is it not, there's no need to argue, debate or even wrangle, the answer is on the wall.:p

 

[mesmerised]

Confirmed...PM is another technocrat!

 

[ChaoPappyPoodle]

If one looks deep they'll see this whole concept of PA is identical to ideologies of communism. I think papzis sometimes even addresses each other as comrades, a terminology practised by communist. We all know what era the old fart comes from and it's no surprise such concepts are adopted.

So long as the papzis are in power they're not going to let go of this machinery, a tool that helps keep them stay in power. They had all along insisted that two party system or parliamentary pluralism will not work for singgiland so while we claim to be democratic, it's only half bake with little difference from being communist. Is PA a political organization or is it not, there's no need to argue, debate or even wrangle, the answer is on the wall.:p

PAP is facist and not communist. Fascists also call each other comrade. Communists is bad but fascism is worse. Communists countries care for their elderly much better than fascists.

For pinkyboy to equate PA to MOE is silly. If PA was truly non-political then it should not take part in anything seen as political. For it to work with the government is already a political stance. MOE has an elected MP as the minister. PA does not and is done inside by the PAP, the government of the day.

The issue is whether PA should be managed and run by the government of the day. ANd the answer is not clear as many of the things done by PA can actually be done by the various ministries.

A better question is do people want less of government activity in the PA. IF they don't mind then let things continue. But if people want PA to be non-partisan, then there should be changes. PA should serve its purpose and to cater to the people and not the government.

If PA is a government vehicle then the PA is political. If the PA is to serve the community then it should not be political and should work with all elected MPs regardless of their political affiliation. SInce the PA doesn't invovle political activities there should be no issue which party the MP belongs to.

 

[kingrant]

https://www.cia.gov/library/center-for-the-study-of-intelligence/kent-csi/vol12no4/html/v12i4a05p_0001.htm

Singapore is a city without a countryside, with more than two million people packed into an urban area not much larger than Richmond, Va. In this environment social problems multiply. It came as no surprise when the large pro-Communist left wing of the ruling People's Action Party split off in 1961 to form an opposition whose purpose it was to exploit these multiplying problems. As a consequence, there emerged two parties with almost equal strength in the legislature and an almost equal call on the loyalties of the people.
When PAP leaders surveyed their shrunken mandate after the split, they decided to meet the crisis head on with a nation-building program designed to wean pro-Communist voters away from the opposition. Their plan was unique in several ways. First, it was wholly an Asian creation and at no time depended to an important degree on idea,. or resources from outside. Second, the program aimed at two-way communication between government and ruling party at the top and the people below, and it aimed also to prove that the government could be responsive to the people's needs. Finally, the program deliberately confused the roles of government and party so that the people tended to praise the party for activities undertaken by the government, Funded by the government but exploited by the ruling party, it cultivated an image independent of both. Thus Singapore's unique People's Association was born.

 

[halsey02]

He think that either, you, we, ar you, or them or it, are stupid!

 

[scroobal]

What a liar. PA was caught sending out email telling PAP supporters where to gather for their buses to 2006 PAP Rallies and also paid for their lunch packs. The email was circulated on the web.

Halsey is right.

 

[refulgence]

LHL talks with impunity and thinks he can get away with his lies and half-truths.

 

[zeddy]

Turning to the People's Association (PA) controversy, Mr Lee stressed that the PA is not a political organisation

He said: "The PA serves all the residents in the constituency, and it's non political, in fact it doesn't allow political activities on its premises when it runs its own activities. But guidance must be from somebody who's working on behalf of the Government. It's like having the Ministry of Education, the civil servants are impartial and neutral but the Minister is a Government Minister."

Either Ass Loong is a bad liar or he thinks we are too daft to believe in his lies...

 

[Silencer]

So what if they are blatant liars and abusers when they;

Protection from personal liability
10. No suit or other legal proceedings shall lie against —
(a) any member, officer or employee of the Association or any other person acting under the direction of the Association;
(b) any member of the Board or any person acting under the direction of the Board; or
(c) any member or officer of any committee appointed by the Board or any person acting under the direction of such committee,
for anything which is in good faith done or intended to be done in the execution or purported execution of this Act.

PEOPLE’S ASSOCIATION ACT (CHAPTER 227)

 

[Kid278]

PAP is facist and not communist. Fascists also call each other comrade. Communists is bad but fascism is worse. Communists countries care for their elderly much better than fascists.

For pinkyboy to equate PA to MOE is silly. If PA was truly non-political then it should not take part in anything seen as political. For it to work with the government is already a political stance. MOE has an elected MP as the minister. PA does not and is done inside by the PAP, the government of the day.

The issue is whether PA should be managed and run by the government of the day. ANd the answer is not clear as many of the things done by PA can actually be done by the various ministries.

A better question is do people want less of government activity in the PA. IF they don't mind then let things continue. But if people want PA to be non-partisan, then there should be changes. PA should serve its purpose and to cater to the people and not the government.

If PA is a government vehicle then the PA is political. If the PA is to serve the community then it should not be political and should work with all elected MPs regardless of their political affiliation. SInce the PA doesn't invovle political activities there should be no issue which party the MP belongs to.

No challenge, I think you have your points there and I can agree in some ways papzis leans and borders on fascism while in some ways leans and borders on communism. If we were to look at Hitler and Stalin, I would say it's in between, all as evil and as bad.:p

 

[myfoot123]

I read, re-read, re re-read his words and still clueless what he was trying to say. He has mastered the art of Tai-chi very well. Fortunately nobody buy his stupid concept.

 

[Kid278]

Finally, the program deliberately confused the roles of government and party so that the people tended to praise the party for activities undertaken by the government, Funded by the government but exploited by the ruling party, it cultivated an image independent of both. Thus Singapore's unique People's Association was born.

I read this as the punch line except that it's not just exploited but rather amalgamated and the image is not independent of both.:p

 

[Kid278]

I read, re-read, re re-read his words and still clueless what he was trying to say. He has mastered the art of Tai-chi very well. Fortunately nobody buy his stupid concept.

It's hogwash, simple as that.

 

[scroobal]

PA had a very valuable purpose in the early years. After the communist threat abated, people appreciated their contribution in coordinating the building of facilities such as sports venues, drama, dance and events facilities etc. The ubiquitous basketball, badminton and sepak takraw courts all added colour and activity to the lives of Singaporeans.The whole thing went bad when JBJ won Anson and then it became an arm of the PAP. Now it has achieved prostitute status like SPH.

 

[kukubird58]

What a liar. PA was caught sending out email telling PAP supporters where to gather for their buses to 2006 PAP Rallies and also paid for their lunch packs. The email was circulated on the web.

hahaha.....if the letter was sent with PA letter head and signed by PA staff........and there was not whimper from the opps parties, then they are all sleeping and do not deserve our support.
paid for by PA.....common sense will tell that someone is bull shitting again......
papeee is dirty but definitely not kuku....

 

[Porfirio Rubirosa]

civil service appears to be politicised...PA is just an extension...

must say lhl's comments quite shocking...think he has turned a fiasco into a disaster...this PA issue shall not go away n rightly so i sld add...

The whole thing went bad when JBJ won Anson and then it became an arm of the PAP. Now it has achieved prostitute status like SPH.

 

[Ramseth]

I'm not surprised when comparing institutions to PA, MOE came on top of his mind. Who are those manning polling booths, "volunteering" as PAP polling and counting agents? Even an unschooled auntie knows that most from them are either from PA or MOE. Election rumours always start with, CCs got some news or orders, schools got some news or orders. All polling stations and counting centres are either in CCs or schools. How can PA and MOE be delinked from electoral politics?

 

[scroobal]

You got a very valuable point here. Some of us forgot that it was teachers that were front and centre for the PAP as it is for UMNO. Remember Lawrence SIA. Remember Teachers' estate - well looked after. Note the role of PAP kindergarten.

I'm not surprised when comparing institutions to PA, MOE came on top of his mind. Who are those manning polling booths, "volunteering" as PAP polling and counting agents? Even an unschooled auntie knows that most from them are either from PA or MOE. Election rumours always start with, CCs got some news or orders, schools got some news or orders. All polling stations and counting centres are either in CCs or schools. How can PA and MOE be delinked from electoral politics?