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Khaw Boon Wan: Crowding Should Have Been Foreseen!

Porfirio Rubirosa

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In Today 11/9, it was reported that PAP Khaw acknowledged that the high patient loads in hospitals' A&E departments could have been anticipated. With a sharp increase in immigration, plans to build more hospitals should have been put in place earlier and Singaporeans would be better off had the upcoming Khoo Teck Puat Hospital in Yishun opened this year. "But we cannot change history. That is why we are going all out to make sure that we open on time or early 2010" said PAP Khaw.

Now WTF, LKY and son love to boast about PAP governemnt being the best and world class hence deserving world class pay, but now what happened to all that planning and efficiency? Bloody PAPs appear to have flooded Singapore with all these migrants without proper planning. And now PAP Khaw appears to take the typical easy way out PAP answer "What to do, its happened, let's move on":rolleyes:

To Dr Chee/SDP's credit they have also highlighted a similar incident of poor bad PAP government of this foreign workers flood with respect to the Serangoon Gardens FW dorm saga and PAP George Yeo's apparent acknowledgement that a "masterplan" needs to be drawn up after the event:mad:
Home News Singapore What do you mean we don't have a masterplan?
What do you mean we don't have a masterplan?
Tuesday, 09 September 2008
Singapore Democrats

In the on-going dispute over the housing of foreign workers at Serangoon Gardens, Mr George Yeo dropped a bombshell when he said that a masterplan was needed to give "some idea of how many foreigners we can accommodate in a sustainable, organic way." (See report below)

You mean that all this time the Government didn't have a plan or "some idea" of how many foreign workers this island can hold?

And now that we have a potentially explosive situation on our doorstep, we are told that we need a masterplan. A masterplan? Shouldn't someone tell the PAP that masterplans come before actions?

This latest revelation is shocking. Many Singaporeans accept the PAP's rhetoric that the Government thinks through and debates ideas before implementing them. Mr Yeo's remarks nail the lie.

Not only is the admission shocking, it is also a wake up call to Singaporeans. We don't question, much less oppose, the Government's policies and assume that everything it does is in order. Until things are too late, that is.

It shakes to the core, or at least it should, the belief that our ministers possess the "helicopter vision" when dealing with national issues.

Mr Yeo adds that the foreign workers' housing problem is not just for Serangoon Gardens but the whole of Singapore as well.

Well, thank you very much. Haven't we been pointing out this problem for years? In Aug 06, the SDP warned that "the social impact of the foreign recruitment policy may yet prove disastrous for Singaporeans." (see here) Now it seems that the chickens are coming home to roost.

The Foreign Minister also pointed out: "We may grow much faster if we open our doors to foreign workers but if there are too many of them coming into Singapore, it will affect our living environment."

You don't need to be a minister to see this. The SDP warned about the problem in our manifesto years ago: "[Material] gain for its own sake can be destructive to social processes and to the activities of a community." (see here) For years we have been warning against this dangerously blinkered policy of generating economic growth at the expense of the community.

This problem has now come to haunt us. But as usual the people are the ones that will have to pay the cost of undebated and unscrutinised policies while the ministers continue to live in their own opulent world, protected from the consequences of their own actions.

We hope Singaporeans can see the importance of having an opposition that will ask the hard questions in parliament, one that will hold the government accountable when its stubborness results in problems for the nation. This is what oppositions do.

Failure means that bad laws and lousy policies are implemented to the dentriment of the people. In the end, we pay for their mistakes.



Workers' dorm: An issue for whole of S'pore
Serene Luo
The Straits Times
8 Sep 08

Be more understanding, Singaporeans.

While Serangoon Gardens residents had “legitimate concerns” regarding a possible new community of foreign workers in their backyard, Singaporeans also “must not adopt a superior attitude”, Foreign Minister George Yeo said yesterday on the sidelines of a Mid-Autumn celebration at Bedok Reservoir.

The estate made headlines when more than 1,600 residents opposed a proposal for an unused school to be turned into a foreign workers’ dormitory.

Mr Yeo, who is an MP for Aljunied GRC which includes Serangoon Gardens, said a masterplan was needed to give “some idea of how many foreigners we can accommodate in a sustainable, organic way”, he said.

“It’s not a problem just for Serangoon Gardens. It is a problem for Singapore as a whole,” he said. “We may grow much faster if we open our doors to foreign workers but if there are too many of them coming into Singapore, it will affect our living environment.”

He added: “I have been to visit friends in Little India on weekends and I can understand the difficulties the residents there put up with, because they come down to their void decks and find those void decks are no longer theirs to use.”

One solution could be self-contained “townships”, which may give foreign workers the things they need, such as “better, cheaper access to food, to shops” as well as “their own places for recreation”.

The Serangoon area’s MP, Mrs Lim Hwee Hua, was writing a letter to National Development Minister Mah Bow Tan, summarising residents’ views and concerns, after a dialogue with residents last week, Mr Yeo added.
 

Man in the streets

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Overcrowding at Hospital is just a tip of an iceberg.

if there is no masterplan and PAP continues to use hit and run method to house massive foreign workers, more problems to come.


In Today 11/9, it was reported that PAP Khaw acknowledged that the high patient loads in hospitals' A&E departments could have been anticipated. With a sharp increase in immigration, plans to build more hospitals should have been put in place earlier and Singaporeans would be better off had the upcoming Khoo Teck Puat Hospital in Yishun opened this year. "But we cannot change history. That is why we are going all out to make sure that we open on time or early 2010" said PAP Khaw.

Now WTF, LKY and son love to boast about PAP governemnt being the best and world class hence deserving world class pay, but now what happened to all that planning and efficiency? Bloody PAPs appear to have flooded Singapore with all these migrants without proper planning. And now PAP Khaw appears to take the typical easy way out PAP answer "What to do, its happened, let's move on":rolleyes:

To Dr Chee/SDP's credit they have also highlighted a similar incident of poor bad PAP government of this foreign workers flood with respect to the Serangoon Gardens FW dorm saga and PAP George Yeo's apparent acknowledgement that a "masterplan" needs to be drawn up after the event:mad:
Home News Singapore What do you mean we don't have a masterplan?
What do you mean we don't have a masterplan?
Tuesday, 09 September 2008
Singapore Democrats

In the on-going dispute over the housing of foreign workers at Serangoon Gardens, Mr George Yeo dropped a bombshell when he said that a masterplan was needed to give "some idea of how many foreigners we can accommodate in a sustainable, organic way." (See report below)

You mean that all this time the Government didn't have a plan or "some idea" of how many foreign workers this island can hold?

And now that we have a potentially explosive situation on our doorstep, we are told that we need a masterplan. A masterplan? Shouldn't someone tell the PAP that masterplans come before actions?

This latest revelation is shocking. Many Singaporeans accept the PAP's rhetoric that the Government thinks through and debates ideas before implementing them. Mr Yeo's remarks nail the lie.

Not only is the admission shocking, it is also a wake up call to Singaporeans. We don't question, much less oppose, the Government's policies and assume that everything it does is in order. Until things are too late, that is.

It shakes to the core, or at least it should, the belief that our ministers possess the "helicopter vision" when dealing with national issues.

Mr Yeo adds that the foreign workers' housing problem is not just for Serangoon Gardens but the whole of Singapore as well.

Well, thank you very much. Haven't we been pointing out this problem for years? In Aug 06, the SDP warned that "the social impact of the foreign recruitment policy may yet prove disastrous for Singaporeans." (see here) Now it seems that the chickens are coming home to roost.

The Foreign Minister also pointed out: "We may grow much faster if we open our doors to foreign workers but if there are too many of them coming into Singapore, it will affect our living environment."

You don't need to be a minister to see this. The SDP warned about the problem in our manifesto years ago: "[Material] gain for its own sake can be destructive to social processes and to the activities of a community." (see here) For years we have been warning against this dangerously blinkered policy of generating economic growth at the expense of the community.

This problem has now come to haunt us. But as usual the people are the ones that will have to pay the cost of undebated and unscrutinised policies while the ministers continue to live in their own opulent world, protected from the consequences of their own actions.

We hope Singaporeans can see the importance of having an opposition that will ask the hard questions in parliament, one that will hold the government accountable when its stubborness results in problems for the nation. This is what oppositions do.

Failure means that bad laws and lousy policies are implemented to the dentriment of the people. In the end, we pay for their mistakes.



Workers' dorm: An issue for whole of S'pore
Serene Luo
The Straits Times
8 Sep 08

Be more understanding, Singaporeans.

While Serangoon Gardens residents had “legitimate concerns” regarding a possible new community of foreign workers in their backyard, Singaporeans also “must not adopt a superior attitude”, Foreign Minister George Yeo said yesterday on the sidelines of a Mid-Autumn celebration at Bedok Reservoir.

The estate made headlines when more than 1,600 residents opposed a proposal for an unused school to be turned into a foreign workers’ dormitory.

Mr Yeo, who is an MP for Aljunied GRC which includes Serangoon Gardens, said a masterplan was needed to give “some idea of how many foreigners we can accommodate in a sustainable, organic way”, he said.

“It’s not a problem just for Serangoon Gardens. It is a problem for Singapore as a whole,” he said. “We may grow much faster if we open our doors to foreign workers but if there are too many of them coming into Singapore, it will affect our living environment.”

He added: “I have been to visit friends in Little India on weekends and I can understand the difficulties the residents there put up with, because they come down to their void decks and find those void decks are no longer theirs to use.”

One solution could be self-contained “townships”, which may give foreign workers the things they need, such as “better, cheaper access to food, to shops” as well as “their own places for recreation”.

The Serangoon area’s MP, Mrs Lim Hwee Hua, was writing a letter to National Development Minister Mah Bow Tan, summarising residents’ views and concerns, after a dialogue with residents last week, Mr Yeo added.
 

locky2ky

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this is the 2nd "what to do it's happened" for khaw, the 1st being nkf saga. just wonder when will he take responsiblity of his inefficiency.
 

myfoot123

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So PAP admitting another of their policy oversight?!!! Gosh!! ask them to come to this forum more frequent, there is so much for them to learn.
 
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Alu862

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And what is the SDP's solution to this? (Besides protesting of course)
 
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Alu862

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Chee what is your response to this? Only protest? Do you have any ideas on health?
 

Porfirio Rubirosa

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Please lah, who is the government in charge? PAP right. Who flooded Singapore with all these so called FTs and Foreign Workers? PAP right. Who failed to plan for this immigrant and transient worker overload on this Red Dot? PAP as acknowledged by PAP Ministers Khaw boon Wan and George Yeo no less. So who should be held responsible and accountable for this fiasco? PAP government right:wink:

And what is the SDP's solution to this? (Besides protesting of course)
 
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Alu862

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Please lah, who is the government in charge? PAP right. Who flooded Singapore with all these so called FTs and Foreign Workers? PAP right. Who failed to plan for this immigrant and transient worker overload on this Red Dot? PAP as acknowledged by PAP Ministers Khaw boon Wan and George Yeo no less. So who should be held responsible and accountable for this fiasco? PAP government right:wink:

True but what can Chee's protests do? Not to say that even the WP or the SDa can do better of course. It's one thing to keep on criticising, its also quite useless if theri isn't an alternative plan presented to win the people's support
 

Porfirio Rubirosa

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Stop detracting from the main issue at hand. PAP government has caused this mess and fiasco and are solely to blame and to be held responsible and accountable. Moreover like I said above, PAP government has ALL the resources to formulate effective policies which NO other Singapore entity has and all at the expense of PUBLIC FUNDS. So stop talking about Dr Chee/SDP and other oppositions parties.:rolleyes:
True but what can Chee's protests do? Not to say that even the WP or the SDa can do better of course. It's one thing to keep on criticising, its also quite useless if theri isn't an alternative plan presented to win the people's support
 
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Alu862

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Stop detracting from the main issue at hand. PAP government has caused this mess and fiasco and are solely to blame and to be held responsible and accountable. Moreover like I said above, PAP government has ALL the resources to formulate effective policies which NO other Singapore entity has and all at the expense of PUBLIC FUNDS. So stop talking about Dr Chee/SDP and other oppositions parties.:rolleyes:

True but that doesn't mean Chee can't put down an idea. Instead he likes to make his SDP website into a bitching blog instead of a constructive one.
 

Porfirio Rubirosa

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Your warped irrational fascination with Dr Chee/SDP is astounding to say the least. Stop detracting and digressing from the critical issue at hand.:rolleyes:
True but that doesn't mean Chee can't put down an idea. Instead he likes to make his SDP website into a bitching blog instead of a constructive one.
 
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Alu862

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Your warped irrational fascination with Dr Chee/SDP is astounding to say the least. Stop detracting and digressing from the critical issue at hand.:rolleyes:

Khaw is accountable yes. But all Chee likes to do is protest. Protests do do win votes or support for political parties.
 

peasantJUDGE

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Overcrowding at Hospital is just a tip of an iceberg.

if there is no masterplan and PAP continues to use hit and run method to house massive foreign workers, more problems to come.



The govt could have let private sector develop smaller-scale "communityships" 2 years ago and we wouldnt have witnessed the invasion of foreign workers in nice neighbourhoods all over the place. This is like a knee jerk reaction to the Serangoon issue-- they took for granted that they could do whatever they like and nobody would raise a hue and cry. Well, they're wrong obviously. They sat on the problem that was bursting at the lid for some time. Sylvia Lim questioned them in Parliament about the stress on the existing social and transport infrastructure some time back but it seemed that they didnt think it would be serious enough. Obviously they were snoozing in their ivory tower...At least the current Health Minister is forthcoming enough to concede that "we should have anticipated the crowd and built the hospitals earlier"....Lim Hng Kiang OUCH! Didnt the PAP promise a hospital in the North 2 elections ago?? Anyway, who's gonna built those townships that BG Yeo is talking about now? NTUC Homes again??? We should have known. Maybe they deliberately let the problem boil over to URGENT status so that they can bring in their govt and govt-linked agencies.
 
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Alu862

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I'm giving him benefit of the doubt. He can.. but is afraid govt copies for free. They're paid millions.. let them think and do first :biggrin:

Govt copies indeed but it is him who is heading a political party not just a protesting party. Besides, I do not see any mention of health on the SDP's page. Transport yes, Million dolar salaries yes but nothing on health.
 

Porfirio Rubirosa

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Hopefully the public electorate shall at long last know what to do come next GE and not get screwed in the arse by the PAPs yet again.

The govt could have let private sector develop smaller-scale "communityships" 2 years ago and we wouldnt have witnessed the invasion of foreign workers in nice neighbourhoods all over the place. This is like a knee jerk reaction to the Serangoon issue-- they took for granted that they could do whatever they like and nobody would raise a hue and cry. Well, they're wrong obviously. They sat on the problem that was bursting at the lid for some time. Maybe they deliberately let the problem boil over to URGENT status so that they can bring in their govt and govt-linked agencies.
 
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Alu862

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Hopefully the public electorate shall at long last know what to do come next GE and not get screwed in the arse by the PAPs yet again.

Voters are irrational and rational. They are also after tangiable assests for utility maximisation, not just only words of democracy
 
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