Crumbling of Singapore?

TracyTan866 · Dec 24, 2011

freedalas said:
Whatever it is, thanks to forummers like u whose threads and postings for providing such deep insights to the failings of the PAP and exposes the myth that they know best and can do no wrong. Together with the discussions that follow, awareness is being created among those who come to this forum though they may not make any postings, for they in turn will by word of mouth relate to their friends and relatives what's are recorded here. So the impact is much more than actual numbers who visit this forum because of such a multiplier effect. Keep up my good fellow forummers. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.

Thanks for your compliments. I believe that we, whether in the social media or in person, must speak responsibly. If social media forumners do so, we can be the third force after the ruling party and Opposition, and in time to come can help share the truth and knowledge with fellow Singaporeans. We can even help make life better for the average citizen.

The pap cant treat a citizen as nobody nor pour scorn on the lone singaporean because of social media. Every citizen counts!

Merry Christmas and a Blessed 2012!!

Leongsam · Dec 24, 2011

TracyTan866 said:
I wonder how the pap ministers and leaders are able to sleep peacefully at night. Dont they have nightmares?

If they do suffer from insomnia, it's because they love the country and its people and are constantly thinking of ways to improve the lives of Singaporeans.

It's not easy being a Minister. The workload is heavy and the rewards are few and far between. The satisfaction comes from knowing that they are helping to make Singapore a better place for future generations to come.

freedalas · Dec 24, 2011

Leongsam said:
If they do suffer from insomnia, it's because they love the country and its people and are constantly thinking of ways to improve the lives of Singaporeans.

It's not easy being a Minister. The workload is heavy and the rewards are few and far between. The satisfaction comes from knowing that they are helping to make Singapore a better place for future generations to come.

"The rewards are few and far between". That's must be the quote of the year. They are the highest paid politicians in the world for goodness sake!!!

TracyTan866 · Dec 24, 2011

Leongsam said:
If they do suffer from insomnia, it's because they love the country and its people and are constantly thinking of ways to improve the lives of Singaporeans.

It's not easy being a Minister. The workload is heavy and the rewards are few and far between. The satisfaction comes from knowing that they are helping to make Singapore a better place for future generations to come.

Of course, it is not easy to be a minister.. Only those who are capable and who are talented can cope with the demands of a minister. if those who get insomnia because of Minister's workload, he does not have the ability to be a political leader and is not the man right for the job. He shd leave. no one compels him to stay

But I sense that some are coping well with the job demand but cant sleep because their conscience is troubled.

so who are the ministers who cant sleep at night? whoever cant shd leave

TracyTan866 · Dec 24, 2011

freedalas said:
"The rewards are few and far between". That's must be the quote of the year. They are the highest paid politicians in the world for goodness sake!!!

The irony is that the pap keeps spouting such nonsense. The average Singaporean did ask any minister to come into political office. every minister is a willing contestant and canvassed for Singaporeans' votes. So if they think they dont want the job, just dont stand for election. no one compels them to stand

Leongsam · Dec 24, 2011

freedalas said:
"The rewards are few and far between". That's must be the quote of the year. They are the highest paid politicians in the world for goodness sake!!!

Money is never a "reward". It's "compensation".

TracyTan866 · Dec 24, 2011

freedalas said:
"The rewards are few and far between". That's must be the quote of the year. They are the highest paid politicians in the world for goodness sake!!!

I hope that the impending pay cut for ministers will be deep enough. That will be good for SG, the pap and singaporeans. It will restore some semblance of honour to our politicians and Singaporeans can look up to these servant leaders again. The bitterness of the population and distrust for the pap is not good for all. The Review must rectify this bitterness and reconcile/restore the goodwill Singaporeans have for the pap

TracyTan866 · Dec 24, 2011

Leongsam said:
Money is never a "reward". It's "compensation".

Sam...

Oxford Dictionary definition:
"Reward" - something given or received in return for what is done or for service or merit.

so is money a reward?

freedalas · Dec 24, 2011

TracyTan866 said:
Sam...

Oxford Dictionary definition:
"Reward" - something given or received in return for what is done or for service or merit.

so is money a reward?

haha..............a good rebuff of a so-called English expert. but even if he was right, the money compensation of millions to each minister negates the need for any rewards of the non-monetary kind.

TracyTan866 · Dec 24, 2011

freedalas said:
haha..............a good rebuff of a so-called English expert. but even if he was right, the money compensation of millions to each minister negates the need for any rewards of the non-monetary kind.

Ohh...Sam is the English expert here?

freedalas · Dec 24, 2011

Yup, particularly likes to pound on people who uses american spellings as in "advice vs advise". but this is one role of his that I never grudge him for, it's good to keep a high standard of english used in this forum, to give the Pappies less chance to belittle the social media.

TracyTan866 · Dec 24, 2011

freedalas said:
Yup, particularly likes to pound on people who uses american spellings as in "advice vs advise". but this is one role of his that I never grudge him for, it's good to keep a high standard of english used in this forum, to give the Pappies less chance to belittle the social media.

Yes, speaking and writing proper English is important. But look at LSS!! I cringe when he speaks and the way he murders the English language..."better, betterer, betterest"!

brocoli · Dec 24, 2011

TracyTan866 said:
Jason neo, Hock Rong, lionel, SHT etc can influence PAP policies?

you wan me to lim kopi by spelling out directly CCS, VIvian, WKS, MBT and SHammugan ???? or you think the PAP core is good??? :confused:

you dun think the core is rotten ?

Leongsam said:
Don't worry. It's "3". He has very poor comprehension skills. You are the best. Nobody comes close.

post of the year.... TT should retake PSLE

TracyTan866 said:
Good that you agree with some of my conclusions. What are my conclusions that you disagree?

Hi Tracy I agree with you that PAP is rotten, self interested and blah blah .... I dun agree with you trhat Singapore is crumbling because of that .... I know there is high cost of living ... but this is not due to high taxation which you mention .....

I think you carry your conclusion too far.... and the quality of your arguement is low and very biased

Nice-Gook said:
Agreed.The old Temasek Review which is now defunct is a far better platform.Because it was readers driven than buddy buddy circle as here.But still it's better than nothing as Singapore is quite barren for a good political discussion.

hye fact that ah sam got massaced by you and frens just because he disagree with you is a fine example of buddy buddy ... he may draw the wroing kind of conclusion .... but i think his arguements have a point.... sometime

TracyTan866 said:
The TPL issue is an indictment of PAP's GRC policy, not so much TPL herself. TPL would not be such a villian if she had contested and won in an SMC. She wld probably be a heroine if she won in an SMC. But the fact that she is in parliament when people like GY couldnt get in caused the huge backlash. The pap must know this root cause rather than complaining abt Singaporean's wrath against TPL.

Have to agree with TT.... despite the backlash and outrage all over the net ..... TPL issue is an indictment of PAP's GRC policy, not so much TPL herself goot post from TT

its Macpherson SMC who decide .... not the keyboard warriors... if they have left Macpherson alone ..... I think the old folks there can nick it for PAP even if they put a monkey there....

instead the general sentiment cause TIn to drag down MP overall vote count.... and allow Nicole Seah to shine on a broader stage ....

any1 who think Nicole Seah can win in an old estate based on non existant credentials, lousy party platform, are nuts....

I think the older folks are generally more wary of demagoge...
and the working class poor are also more supportive of PAP as it is easier to buy their vote with growth package
. in Macpherson alonem Nicole Seah's social media strategy wouild expose how out of touch she is

TracyTan866 · Dec 24, 2011

brocoli said:
Hi Tracy I agree with you that PAP is rotten, self interested and blah blah .... I dun agree with you trhat Singapore is crumbling because of that .... I know there is high cost of living ... but this is not due to high taxation which you mention .....

I think you carry your conclusion too far.... and the quality of your arguement is low and very biased

Look at the list in post 1! are they signs that SG is crumbling? is "Crumbling of Singapore?" a statement or a question??

TracyTan866 · Dec 24, 2011

brocoli said:
you wan me to lim kopi by spelling out directly CCS, VIvian, WKS, MBT and SHammugan ???? or you think the PAP core is good???

why shd you lim kopi? just by speeling out directly? am I naive or are you overreacting?

TracyTan866 · Dec 24, 2011

brocoli said:
Originally Posted by Leongsam

Don't worry. It's "3". He has very poor comprehension skills. You are the best. Nobody comes close.

"post of the year.... TT should retake PSLE"

Do you agree with what Sam said in his post?

brocoli · Dec 24, 2011

TracyTan866 said:
why shd you lim kopi? just by speeling out directly? am I naive or are you overreacting?

Jason neo, Hock Rong, lionel are repulsive to every1 wheras some idiots still love those minister .... I think citing them make my point better

brocoli · Dec 24, 2011

TracyTan866 said:
Look at the list in post 1! are they signs that SG is crumbling? is "Crumbling of Singapore?" a statement or a question??

TracyTan866 said:
You missed the big picture..It's not abt an MRT breakdown.

It's abt the mismanagement of SG and the eventual crumbling of SG .

read you own post.... whar is your point do you have 1?

Nice-Gook · Dec 24, 2011

TracyTan866 said:
what happened to Temasek Review?

is it back online?

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On the other hand we had soc.culture.singpore and this forum.As I said before they run on buddy system .The problem lies in the huge ego of participants.Participants formed gangs and scratched each other backs.Topics were discussed based on personalities than issues.Because if a moniker X is close to moniker Y he or she has to agree with each other view and cannot be seen to openly disagree.Bu the real chink in he armour is ; since because they subscribe to cartels they browbeat newbies simply because a newbie may refuses to pay homage to them.Now,driving newbies away is a formula for stagnancy...because without new blood there is no renewal.

Same thing still follow in this forum; especially where politics are concerned.As you would have noticed that this forum is Worker’s Party dominated and any other favorable views of say SDP or others is thoroughly thrashed—not based on the merit of your argument but simply by numbers of comments against you.The other tactic is refusal to engage you---or through multiple posts that buries your comment.

And because of this buddy system the question of face value arises with serious consequences.....just see the number of feuds here over trivial matters..I bet you in 3 months time you would gain your personal enemy whether you like it or not.....Otherwise,just stay in the corner like I do. In short ,if a moniker S had been flaunting his plumage as the numero uno; he has to argue to win all the time at any cost in order to save face.And there are many such nut cases here who argue for argument sake.

The defunct TR arised above this pettiness which was quite refreshing but to the detriment of PAP……For which PAP had to invoke a mole planted within who eventually destroyed TR.

I speculate a moniker named kojakbt is the culprit. I also speculate it’s the very same people who running the this new http://www.tremeritus.com/

brocoli · Dec 24, 2011

Nice-Gook said:
 Got rid of the tit bits of nuts stuck in my keyboard….Ahhhh,munching nuts is a habit I picked up in Hunza Valley.People there just live on nuts and live till the ripe old age without medications.Anyway,in the matter of the now defunct Temasek Review---don’t really know who were behind it and I do not wish to know either.But it really struck some cords with readership.Something no other sg forums could ever hold a candle to. I cannot speculate whether that came about by design or accident.Because neither their editors nor their moderators contributed much.In fact most of the time they were clueless.It was the huge readership both as contributors and comments that provided the fue.It was a running success by any measure.

On the other hand we had soc.culture.singpore and this forum.As I said before they run on buddy system .The problem lies in the huge ego of participants.Participants formed gangs and scratched each other backs.Topics were discussed based on personalities than issues.Because if a moniker X is close to moniker Y he or she has to agree with each other view and cannot be seen to openly disagree.Bu the real chink in he armour is ; since because they subscribe to cartels they browbeat newbies simply because a newbie may refuses to pay homage to them.Now,driving newbies away is a formula for stagnancy...because without new blood there is no renewal.

Same thing still follow in this forum; especially where politics are concerned.As you would have noticed that this forum is Worker’s Party dominated and any other favorable views of say SDP or others is thoroughly thrashed—not based on the merit of your argument but simply by numbers of comments against you.The other tactic is refusal to engage you---or through multiple posts that buries your comment.

And because of this buddy system the question of face value arises with serious consequences.....just see the number of feuds here over trivial matters..I bet you in 3 months time you would gain your personal enemy whether you like it or not.....Otherwise,just stay in the corner like I do. In short ,if a moniker S had been flaunting his plumage as the numero uno; he has to argue to win all the time at any cost in order to save face.And there are many such nut cases here who argue for argument sake.

The defunct TR arised above this pettiness which was quite refreshing but to the detriment of PAP……For which PAP had to invoke a mole planted within who eventually destroyed TR.

I speculate a moniker named kojakbt is the culprit. I also speculate it’s the very same people who running the this new http://www.tremeritus.com/

I am new and I dun agree with you ./... I post what i like ... WHy do i need any 1 approval ...?

I use to think you are crap but now I think you make sense sometimes.... why do I need to make online buddies??? i got real frens.... in the thread alone, I have disagree and agree with Boss and TT depending on what they say /// why should I care....????

I get zapped left right centre .... so what ?points can redeem NTUC voucher is it???

I been flaming TT even though I agreed somewhat with her .,.. ... because her arguement is weak and she look for agreement not substance

i come here to discuss... not to make frens....

this forum is Worker’s Party dominated ??? didnt they used to flame them as wayang Party ????

maybe because the opp demographic is now Worker’s Party dominated ??? people like winners simple as that... why do you think Man City suddenly have so many new fans...

Just analyse SG politics ....analyse forum politics for fug??? total wast of time...

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