Screwjack Yaw - the end is near?

[scroobal]

I will address your last point first. I too fear that he might not have come clean. They better do it real quick and nail this down before the Chua sisters and Dr Ong do the job for them.

Read Derek De Cunha's recent book and his chapter about SDP. He asserts that unless Chee goes the policial baggage of the past will mire SDP down. I also thought that his supporters were the issue but it seems that he is the issue. He has arged his point quite convincingly. Also note his comments about "champagne socialists" which is spot on as they are a "political" party that puts up the best bash in town and note the dress code and settings. Lets put it this way. Their activities which is always high profile, of a higher decibels does not resonate with HDB land. For every VW , there will be compensating idiots like James Gomez. And their best performing team was not even SDP except for VW. The CEC composition after the recet polls is more than telling.

Not a fan of TJS as his background and conduct suggest a hidden hand. I do however place a lot of value on his close associates. And we might be lucky if someone in a leadership capacity emerges prior to 2016.

I agree that WP remains the best bet, but partly because other parties still have not gotten their act together. There is SDP which I made a bold prediction that they may very well equal WP in 2016, as well as the TJS-led coalition which IMO has the greatest potential, but it remains to be seen whether they can consolidate and re-focus their energies rather than get bogged down by personality issues.

This scandal will hurt WP because as more and more dirt surfaces about YSL's exploitative behaviour, people will see WP's silence as damning. I suspect YSL did not come clean to LTK and SL about the whole matter but instead waited to see how far it would explode, in which case he is guilty of an even larger offence.

 

[jw5]

Its the pattern of behaviour that is important. A few might frown but many would turn a blind eye to a professor who marries his former student. But let's say the same professor goes on to have an affair with the janitor, and then a liaison with the department clerk. You could say they are not strictly under him, but it shows a consistent pattern of exploiting those who are subordinate in rank. I believe that is the pt Scroo was making.

His pattern is being a bumbling fool, who has little ability to think far or wide and acts based on his base instincts.
Wouldn't call him a predator who takes advantage now, but I admit this is akan datang and depends on anything more reported.
As for him not being an MP and a member of WP, I agree.
We criticise pap mps so much, we should expect more of opposition to be morally and ethically correct.
And that includes GMS too.

 

[scroobal]

No arguments there but he put himself in that position where the image of predatory behaviour falls on him. Even if it did not, it reflects poorly on an MP who proves himself to be weak and easily manipulated by women including a PRC lady.

All the women that came out seemed quite lethal and I doubt there is anything to do with superior/subordinate role. Ever heard how lethal black widow spider was? After having sex, she killed her sex partner. I see all the 4 women mentioned are behaving like a black widow spider..

 

[Thick Face Black Heart]

u think SPH will dig TPL news and publish if she committed adultery? if YSL is a pap mp just took over hougang from WP, u think TNP and other newspaper will put it on the headline and continue digging???

The disgusting biased treatment by the MSM was what I have been complaining about all this while. The dirt would have been quietly buried had YSL been a PAP MP and we would all think this is a saintly good church boy.

It also did not help that Goh Meng Seng was going on a rampage, even if on hindsight (which is always 20/20, by the way), some of his initial remarks were justified.

The silver lining to this I guess is that WP is forced to clean its house sooner rather than later.

 

[Unrepented]

Integrity is not subjective. If the younger generations think so, then I worry.:(

Integrity is very subjective. Did he cheat the way PAP cheated the citizens? Increase the GST to help the poor...etc.
And if I may add, substance is something YSL has is what the PAP lacks. YSL dares to fucks the walk and walks the talk and while the PAP the the cocks and walks the fucks.

 

[Goh Meng Seng]

You are only obsessed with WP without looking at the bigger picture. The first thing to do is to put off the fire once the sparks are ignited. This is not about WP nor YSL. I know many people wanted YSL dead in private but the truth is, once the sparks turn into fire, nobody will be able to get away from it without getting burnt. I am not interested in saving YSL but to minimize damage at first instance to save all others from getting burnt from such an idiot's fault. That's what leaders in WP should do but they are just too obsessed with their own image which in the end, made the wrong decision.

I do not believe I have more information than them but yet, they made the wrong decision. Just too bad.

Goh Meng Seng

I do agree with you on the adverse impact on WP at the polls over the YSL/Angela issue.

I disagree with your tactical approach. There is about 4 years for people to forget and move on. If this expose occurred a few months before the polls, I would have agreed with you. The way you approached and belaboured the point also suggested an ulterior motive. Frankly for his remarks about contesting Tampines, I might have done the same if I were in your position.

Lets say the same thing happened to NSP and you were the President. I am sure you would have even done it. Politics is not about morailty alone. Its about good strategy and tactics. Nice guys seldom make it to Parliament. Even if they did, they won't stay for long.

 

[Unrepented]

This move may even win over some middle ground voters.

4 women and a baby. This is no longer your ordinary case of womanising, adultery or one of roving eye. This guy seems to be taking advantage of women as a matter of course. I won't be surprised that there are more.

With a situation like this, no amount of apology or remorse is going to help.

It maybe better if LTK offer the apology, dismiss this prick from the party and go for a byelection. I am sure Hougang will still vote in a WP candidate. Possibly Png Eng Huat.

 

[scroobal]

I accept that JW5, Aurvandil and Myfoot123 assertions that it might not be predatory but the work / party relationship is a significant issue and it does indicate ingrained weakness and suspectibility to a certain conduct. I am also not ruling the predatory nature. In either secnario, it is no longer tenable. In both the civil service and corporate sector, the rank superior will be eased out or disciplined due to conflict of interest. Screwing around in an organisation and having a massive rep is fine as long as there is conflict of interest.

 

[scroobal]

I do like the idea and you may be right. It will also raise the bar for PAP. I like to see the Chua sisters start commenting about Foo Mee Har, Shanmugam and a others instead of the flagarant double standards that we see now. I however not going to hold my breath.

This move may even win over some middle ground voters.

 

[eatshitndie]

I do like the idea and you may be right. It will also raise the bar for PAP. I like to see the Chua sisters start commenting about Foo Mee Har, Shanmugam and a others instead of the flagarant double standards that we see now. I however not going to hold my breath.

it's a new dawn in sg politics. may actually boost interest among gossipy aunties and uncles. sex, lies, and video clips. fantastic! sg has finally arrived on the sleazy world stage.

 

[myfoot123]

I accept that JW5, Aurvandil and Myfoot123 assertions that it might not be predatory but the work / party relationship is a significant issue and it does indicate ingrained weakness and suspectibility to a certain conduct. I am also not ruling the predatory nature. In either secnario, it is no longer tenable. In both the civil service and corporate sector, the rank superior will be eased out or disciplined due to conflict of interest. Screwing around in an organisation and having a massive rep is fine as long as there is conflict of interest.

Conflict of interest comes only when there is legality issue. In this case, having two consenting adults making love is NOT ILLEGAL. Know the difference. Besides, YSL has first marriage divorced and what's so big deal? Didn't we often hear divorce rate in Singapore gone up, and they are non illegal. As for other women involved, they should show face, come clean and clarify, why hide and expect YSL to take the blunt. In court cases, if you want to persecute someone, at least there must be a witness somewhat. From what I see todate, all those rumours leakers (women christians or not) are lurking suspiciously behind the scenes and it is not fair to the voters to make judgement.

Using the same argument above, PAP has always adopted such open challenge tactic - come out and get me if you want to sue me. So what happened - silent became deafening and PAP easily get away with it. Should we blame WP for similar smart move?

 

[Unrepented]

Will we hear a wimper on such rumors from the righteous GSM .......... if he purports to be impartial, principled and concerned about inter cross checks and balances................loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong over due, imo.

Back to the YSL, the new revelations if proven, is a new door for WP to grow stronger. Hope WP is wise to size the opportunity if the allegations are true. Otherwise, a slap on the face if the new allegations are proven otherwise.

I do like the idea and you may be right. It will also raise the bar for PAP. I like to see the Chua sisters start commenting about Foo Mee Har, Shanmugam and a others instead of the flagarant double standards that we see now. I however not going to hold my breath.

 

[myfoot123]

Will we hear a wimper on such rumors from the righteous GSM .......... if he purports to be impartial, principled and concerned about inter cross checks and balances................loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong over due, imo.

Back to the YSL, the new revelations if proven, is a new door for WP to grow stronger. Hope WP is wise to size the opportunity if the allegations are true. Otherwise, a slap on the face if the new allegations are proven otherwise.

Allegations are true only if there is at least a witness.
Even if it is true, it is still legal.
Talking about morality, I go for loyalty. PAP has none of such genes to the people.

 

[Goh Meng Seng]

But Scroobal,

One thing I would agree with you. YSL may really have to be put on the sacrificial alter if he continues to manage the crisis this way. If another woman pops up from some where else, public perception of "affairs" will turn into "womanizer". WP may be forced to sacrifice him, along with the hard fought confidence of all opposition parties.

YSL is an idiot anyway, right from 'I vote PAP saga' to all his scheming and scandalous dealings. It is just sooner or later he be made the sacrificial lamb.

Goh Meng Seng

 

[Unrepented]

Actually, there is another POV in the biz world. Alpha males are the predators, and achievers are the predators. Those that only fuck one hole are normally docile and self contented, restricted by their subjective religious beliefs and such............. thus not in their nature as go-getters who endeavour to realize all their aspirations in life, but stay home watch AV and masterbate in a corner. Flame me, but this is one POV worth a thought.

No arguments there but he put himself in that position where the image of predatory behaviour falls on him. Even if it did not, it reflects poorly on an MP who proves himself to be weak and easily manipulated by women including a PRC lady.

 

[wikiphile]

But Scroobal,

One thing I would agree with you. YSL may really have to be put on the sacrificial alter if he continues to manage the crisis this way. If another woman pops up from some where else, public perception of "affairs" will turn into "womanizer". WP may be forced to sacrifice him, along with the hard fought confidence of all opposition parties.

YSL is an idiot anyway, right from 'I vote PAP saga' to all his scheming and scandalous dealings. It is just sooner or later he be made the sacrificial lamb.

Goh Meng Seng

YSL is an idiot no doubt, quite clear and obvious to most clear thinking people. That said, we don't need his once comrade-in-arms to point that out for us. Loyalty and integrity are obviously not part of your DNA make up down here Captain (NS) Obvious

 

[Unrepented]

Guess you missed the entry decades ago.

it's a new dawn in sg politics. may actually boost interest among gossipy aunties and uncles. sex, lies, and video clips. fantastic! sg has finally arrived on the sleazy world stage.

 

[Unrepented]

Imo, your argument can only apply on personal domestic issues which are complicated beyond third party judgements. But if these incidents are systematic, then there is cause for concern.

Even if a guy who is very streewise fucks around in places of entertainment with no strings attached, once too often...........there is still a risk..........the risk of falling prey to complicated entanglements which may lead to dilemma and subsequent compromise.

But as a reader, I am curious as to why these "other" women start to appear to claim involvement. If they claimed to be consenting and have not been wronged by the guy........their actions are not that of any reasonable persons.:o

Conflict of interest comes only when there is legality issue. In this case, having two consenting adults making love is NOT ILLEGAL. Know the difference. Besides, YSL has first marriage divorced and what's so big deal? Didn't we often hear divorce rate in Singapore gone up, and they are non illegal. As for other women involved, they should show face, come clean and clarify, why hide and expect YSL to take the blunt. In court cases, if you want to persecute someone, at least there must be a witness somewhat. From what I see todate, all those rumours leakers (women christians or not) are lurking suspiciously behind the scenes and it is not fair to the voters to make judgement.

Using the same argument above, PAP has always adopted such open challenge tactic - come out and get me if you want to sue me. So what happened - silent became deafening and PAP easily get away with it. Should we blame WP for similar smart move?

 

[jw5]

I accept that JW5, Aurvandil and Myfoot123 assertions that it might not be predatory but the work / party relationship is a significant issue and it does indicate ingrained weakness and suspectibility to a certain conduct. I am also not ruling the predatory nature. In either secnario, it is no longer tenable. In both the civil service and corporate sector, the rank superior will be eased out or disciplined due to conflict of interest. Screwing around in an organisation and having a massive rep is fine as long as there is conflict of interest.

Agree that there is ingrained weakness and susceptibility.
He comes across as someone who is easily swayed, emotional, lacking control and vision.
Not able to to see or understand future consequences and reprecussions.
If the opposition or WP want to go further, people like him should at most be a normal party member.
Not an appointment holder and certainly not an election candidate.

 

[jw5]

All the women that came out seemed quite lethal and I doubt there is anything to do with superior/subordinate role. Ever heard how lethal black widow spider was? After having sex, she killed her sex partner. I see all the 4 women mentioned are behaving like a black widow spider.

I would have to disagree with your last sentence.
Don't see anything seriously wrong on the part of the first or second wife.