The Biggest Loser in this PE is.....

[Ramseth]

democracy. it shows that nothing is fair and balanced as you ideally think it is. the whole shhbang is gamed favorably for whoever is in control of the entire process...a reason why casinos have such a thing as a house advantage. the only event a casino fears is a freak event, when something is outside its comfort zone and out of its influence and control, such as math wizards figuring out the odds and outsmarting the house with patience and a long deliberate series of deceptive gamesmanship never seen before by the casino.

I'm surprised to hear that from a bay area dweller with Reno and Tahoe within driving distance and in recent years with casino right in town. Though I'm no casino aficionado, just occasional casual visitor. Casino must have an house edge. Where do you think the money to build and maintain and staff the casino comes from? All gamblers, professional and casual, accept it's fair and play on.

It's declared edge on the brochures in the racks if anyone care to pick up one and read before tabling the chip. It has nothing to do with cheating, which is when a card turns out bad and you try to switch the card or something like that. In the long run, the actuarially calculated will ensure the casino a reasonable profit but there're still a healthy number of winners.

That's the business and yes, it's a business, not a charity or fair fight. In a fair fight, the casino would have to ask the players to pay rent first. The gamers know damn well, they're not trying to get luckier than the casino, they're trying to get luckier than other gamers.

 

[zeddy]

Dedicated to all Bros who voted for TCB, TJS and TKL... Many of us are still hurting inside, seeing Phony Tan being elected as our next President... Hope this song can be an inspiration for all of us not to give up the fight against the PAP...

 

[eatshitndie]

.........
That's the business and yes, it's a business, not a charity or fair fight. In a fair fight, the casino would have to ask the players to pay rent first. The gamers know damn well, they're not trying to get luckier than the casino, they're trying to get luckier than other gamers.

which is closer to the sg political model - house in control, allows winners, losers and punters to play kuching kurak masak masak with watchful eyes, but once some big deal goes amiss or awry, house steps in or what we call management intervention is invoked.

 

[ssrrvv11]

biggest losers here is ramseth and gms. both tied for 1st place.

biggest loser out there is all of us. we missed a chance to show tt/lky/pap the middle finger.

 

[cass888]

Eh Ah Seng, do us a favour -

FUCK OFF!!!

Weren't you the same fucking clown who said that TJS and TCB were going to lose their deposits? I hope you fucking lose your deposit at the next election.

On my part, I could safely say that my political acumen in assessing the possibilities are not quite far apart. All scenarios, possibilities and positioning have been given out. With due respect, TKL has chosen to fight on like a warrior though with the understanding that winning maybe a remote possibility. There are reasons and considerations he has made. But he fought and face ruthless defeat. He is a warrior because I think not many people can handle such defeat so well with such a quick recovery.

Most importantly, he walks the talk, has gone into post mortem mode to understand why he lost so badly to learn from this experience. I guess most people, if faced with such defeat, wouldn't have the mind to bother about anything else, least post mortem. This is the kind of positive attitude he truly believes in and promote.

Personally, I started out with the clear understanding that I don't have anything to gain from this PE by helping TKL. Well, anything to lose, I don't think so as well. Whether it cost me anything or not, politically, I don't really bother. So far, most of the people I meet, many of them may not have voted TKL but they are quite positive of my involvement in helping TKL.

Although TKL lost badly but the truth is, as pointed out by many others on the blogs, TKL is an electable choice who is being considered by the middle ground voters, even though put at second choice or basically sacrificed at the very last minute. People were talking about tactical voting, strategic voting or whatsoever about trying not to let Tony Tan wins. TKL became the sacrificial lamb in the end.

The campaign and messaging are quite alright, even other candidates try to micmick eventually. He fought a good fight but his lack of political branding and support base have cost him dearly.

Goh Meng Seng

 

[KuanTi01]

Losers in no order: TJS, TKL, Shamu (for opening his big mouth about the constitution) and Chee (for getting TJS to run)

With respect, I don't think Chee is capable of getting TJS to run if TJS himself doesn't want to. In fact this applies to all the PE candidates. All said and done, all of them wanted the job!

 

[ssrrvv11]

Eh Ah Seng, do us a favour -

FUCK OFF!!!

Weren't you the same fucking clown who said that TJS and TCB were going to lose their deposits? I hope you fucking lose your deposit at the next election.

TKL is not the one who should worry about his deposit. TCB and TJS are the ones who should be worried about their deposits. Put it simply, TJS are playing the opposition mode which he hopes to garner those 40% of voters who have voted opposition. However, he is gravely mistaken because those who have voted opposition in GE2011 consists of only 20% or less of hardcore anti-PAP while the other are made up of swing voters who are generally the silent majority.

TJS may not get ALL of those hardcore opposition votes, especially when he goes full blast into opposition mode of aggressiveness. Technically speaking, he has embarked on a suicidal mission with a mistaken understanding of voters profile. Those people who surround him giving him the wrong advice are basically hardcore anti-PAP people. This is the most suicidal composition in view of multi-corner fight. If it is one on one, maybe not so bad. But in multi-corner fight, we know that voters will go for those with more centrist and milder version of opposition positioning.

Goh Meng Seng


gms's exact words before the pe. what has he got to say now about losing deposit?

 

[wikiphile]

You got to be kidding.

1) He was first to indicate his desire to run (lots of time to prepare)
2) Practically monopolised the social media, multiple blogs, facebook (considerably media share)

Yet he did so badly. He is just not electable. He does not have it. I would love to compete in figure skating with my colourful tutu and take on Kristi Yamaguchi in the Olympics. But my family and friends told me that I can't make it without going into details. I took their advice.

Looking at the bulk of his supporters, they are the ones who he fought for in the mini-bond saga and the politically clueless. One of my friend's brother was going to vote for TKL but switched to TJS at the last minute as he had doubts about him. Mind you, my friend's brother got burnt from the lehmann brothers incident and despite his gratitude to TKL, he is discerning with regards to the political realities and of course the man himself.

 

[eQuipment]

GMS lent his voice at TKL rally, bcos TKL lent his voice to GMS rally too. favor for favor, but its quite clear, he placed his bet on the wrong horse. in politics and/or campaigns and/or crusades, theres no such thing as neutral position. u're either for or against.

TKL lost his deposit not bcos he's a villain, nor was he unlikeable. he lost bcos he couldnt make a distinction whether he was for or against the present system of the day. by generating wild ideas about what new ideas he has, made him sound like belated GE candidate. 48k + election expenses is quite an expensive fee to learn some lessons.

in my opinion, maybe his campaign manager failed to identify the target consumers & the critical mass for voters are. and the results have proven many people right.

 

[wwabbit]

GMS lent his voice at TKL rally, bcos TKL lent his voice to GMS rally too. favor for favor, but its quite clear, he placed his bet on the wrong horse. in politics and/or campaigns and/or crusades, theres no such thing as neutral position. u're either for or against.

It was SDP's rallies that TKL spoke in, not NSP's

 

[Nik1971]

You know what is "up yours"

On my part, I could safely say that my political acumen in assessing the possibilities are not quite far apart. All scenarios, possibilities and positioning have been given out. With due respect, TKL has chosen to fight on like a warrior though with the understanding that winning maybe a remote possibility. There are reasons and considerations he has made. But he fought and face ruthless defeat. He is a warrior because I think not many people can handle such defeat so well with such a quick recovery.

Most importantly, he walks the talk, has gone into post mortem mode to understand why he lost so badly to learn from this experience. I guess most people, if faced with such defeat, wouldn't have the mind to bother about anything else, least post mortem. This is the kind of positive attitude he truly believes in and promote.

Personally, I started out with the clear understanding that I don't have anything to gain from this PE by helping TKL. Well, anything to lose, I don't think so as well. Whether it cost me anything or not, politically, I don't really bother. So far, most of the people I meet, many of them may not have voted TKL but they are quite positive of my involvement in helping TKL.

Although TKL lost badly but the truth is, as pointed out by many others on the blogs, TKL is an electable choice who is being considered by the middle ground voters, even though put at second choice or basically sacrificed at the very last minute. People were talking about tactical voting, strategic voting or whatsoever about trying not to let Tony Tan wins. TKL became the sacrificial lamb in the end.

The campaign and messaging are quite alright, even other candidates try to micmick eventually. He fought a good fight but his lack of political branding and support base have cost him dearly.

Goh Meng Seng

 

[eQuipment]

we cant deny that at the end, Singaporeans r the biggest loser in the PE. the world will laugh at us for having an EP with the most pathetic mandate since the history of civilization.

some ppl may argue that TKL is the biggest loser, since he couldnt even retain his election deposit. to me, i think he wasnt the main event, which is y the votes were spreadt among the other 3 candidates.

among TT, TCB & TJS, based on the results, TT would be the biggest loser. he's an ex cabinet minister for more than 20yrs, his presence in the political arena would have given him a significant advantage, yet, managed to get only 35%.

TCB is also another old guard, he's been in the political arena for almost as long as TT, he was well received & loved by his constituents when he was an MP. he managed 34%.

TJS is a new kid on the block, came into the political limelight some time before May 2011. with only 3-4mths exposure (not even 1 yr), he managed to recieve 25%.

if we prorate the average votes against timeline/ duration in political arena... TJS emerged tops. while TT is a distinct contrast to that.

 

[hurley]

GMS is a loser because he chose loyalty blindly and doesnt choose his battles.
Nicole Seah is a loser because she chose to be an opportunist.
TJS on the other hand, has to make clear what his political ambitions are now.

end of loser report. thank u very much.

 

[Goh Meng Seng]

It was SDP's rallies that TKL spoke in, not NSP's

He spoke at two rallies, one was SDP's rally in support of Tan Jee Say and the other one at NSP Tampines Rally, in support of me.

Goh Meng Seng

 

[Goh Meng Seng]

GMS is a loser because he chose loyalty blindly and doesnt choose his battles.
Nicole Seah is a loser because she chose to be an opportunist.
TJS on the other hand, has to make clear what his political ambitions are now.

end of loser report. thank u very much.

It was never a question of "personal loyalty"; Nope. If there is any loyalty to start with, its the loyalty to the Nation in supporting a candidate whom I think could fit the job of the President well.... Non-partisan, politically neutral and with moral values to uphold the dignity of the office.

Most people like you are only thinking of how to get rid of Tony Tan or preventing him from getting elected instead, losing sight of what kinds of President do we really want for the Nation. Sad to say, most of the voters who think this way has fallen into the mindset of PAP and making it morally legitimate for PAP to make use of the Elected Presidency as a platform to cripple future non-PAP government.

Goh Meng Seng

 

[Varuna]

Most people like you are only thinking of how to get rid of Tony Tan or preventing him from getting elected instead, losing sight of what kinds of President do we really want for the Nation. Sad to say, most of the voters who think this way has fallen into the mindset of PAP and making it morally legitimate for PAP to make use of the Elected Presidency as a platform to cripple future non-PAP government.
Goh Meng Seng

It was clear that PAP's mindset for this PE was nobody else but Tony to be the President. And it was not wrong for the people to see through that ploy and wanted to go for one of the other 3. The people although want a non-PAP endorsed candidate but not any Tom, Dick or Harry who came in with nothing credible. The electorate is discerning but not blind. Those who want a different President may not necessary be against TKL in his spirit and vision, except that there are other better candidates. This election is a clear ploy to split the vote of anti-TT supporters. The result is predictable.

 

[eQuipment]

It was SDP's rallies that TKL spoke in, not NSP's

oops my bad... i thought he appeared once in aid of GMS... oh well, sorry for the blunder.

 

[ssrrvv11]

Gms

For a habitual loser, u certainly have a lot to talk about despite getting thrash at the polls time and again. Anyway thick skin probably a must for politicians.

U quite smart to have avoided the bet with me. U saved $50 but lost a lot of face and ego.

U better take a deserved holiday.

 

[wwabbit]

oops my bad... i thought he appeared once in aid of GMS... oh well, sorry for the blunder.

My bad, he did speak in two rallies, including an NSP rally. I don't remember that at all though, for some reason.

 

[jw5]

Dunno about the biggest loser but the biggest winner is Nathan.
Earned loads for doing little, now is time to relax. Can even hand over to a comrade.
What could be better?