Tan Jee Say and Tan Cheng Bock in Talks

[Narong Wongwan]

Best scenerio though unlikely to happen is TJS and TKL step down and throw their weight behind TCB.
TCB is not my first choice but to prevent TT from winning this is the only solution.....

TCB can split TT's votes.........and majority of 40% opposition votes will go to TCB.....expect higher % of spolit votes in this scenerio though. TCB can win it this way.

 

[Goh Meng Seng]

PAP might have miscalculated this time round. Core PAP supporters has dropped to only 33%. If there are many choices, the swing will be towards the other three candidates. We may have a situation with the real fight is between TCB, TJS and TKL.

Goh Meng Seng

 

[neddy]

PAP might have miscalculated this time round. Core PAP supporters has dropped to only 33%. If there are many choices, the swing will be towards the other three candidates. We may have a situation with the real fight is between TCB, TJS and TKL.

Goh Meng Seng

Both the EP and GRC ideas are beginning to leak?

 

[Unrepented]

Agree. In this combo, TT will sweat most. IMO, no other better combination. Voter will thank TKL and TSJ for placing national interest first.

Strategy of granting 4 COE is based on the expectations of logical behaviour of TCB, TKL, TSJ and the voters. To beat the strategy, is to behave outside the boundries of those expectations of logical behaviour.

How to be illogical?

Best scenerio though unlikely to happen is TJS and TKL step down and throw their weight behind TCB.
TCB is not my first choice but to prevent TT from winning this is the only solution.....

TCB can split TT's votes.........and majority of 40% opposition votes will go to TCB.....expect higher % of spolit votes in this scenerio though. TCB can win it this way.

 

[Perspective]

Oh of course, TJS has to throw his support behind TCB and bring his supporters along, otherwise TCB will have no chance with TKL in the race.

On your second para, you know all parties are not the same, come on. :o
Imagining being in the same grc team as TJS, Michelle, Nicole and Jeanette agianst one led by LSS or LTY.
With the diverse yet likeable profiles of these chaps and the continued influx of useless foreigners, you might as well be carving your names on your chairs in parliament.

It's too presumptive to think that the four or any of your likes will be in one GRC team even if they form a party. Also a little premature that they will form a new party in the first place. Whatever the case, a Presidential qualified candidate got less votes than any of the WP teams in the last GE and he was in an impressive team no inferior to the 4 you stated, does show that party branding is important. I don't think I am young enough to look for new frontiers - I would rather root for WP, as much as I disagree with them at times (which applies to others also). Multi party is good, but it's fat hope - it cannot emerge without proportional representation.

 

[jw5]

TCB can split TT's votes.........and majority of 40% opposition votes will go to TCB.....expect higher % of spolit votes in this scenerio though. TCB can win it this way.

Yes, I agree.
This is the only scenario where TT will sweat.
Even TJS vs TT, I think TT will win quite easily, because TJS will not get any pappy votes, albeit former PPS to Woodpecker.

 

[annexa]

Where you get this 33% magic number from? Not flaming, but wnt to understand. I estimate PAP vote bank to be 50-55%. See my earlier post.

PAP might have miscalculated this time round. Core PAP supporters has dropped to only 33%. If there are many choices, the swing will be towards the other three candidates. We may have a situation with the real fight is between TCB, TJS and TKL.

Goh Meng Seng

 

[Unrepented]

Does anyone knows if the PEC have the right to ask NTUC Income for the reasons for TKL departure? Or PEC decision is based on and restricted to within the four corners of the candidates application for PE?

 

[Perspective]

Where you get this 33% magic number from? Not flaming, but wnt to understand. I estimate PAP vote bank to be 50-55%. See my earlier post.

After ruling for so long, the PAP's 33% is not the only problem - they also have a hardcore portion from the middle ground. In other words they are between PAP hardcore and the swing voters - people who would swing, not supporting PAP but just too afraid of losing them. The only places these hardcore-PAP-middle-ground tweeners are absent are in opposition wards where the MP has proven themselves. So let us not assume PAP is only 33% hardcore - that's only for opposition wards.

 

[Unrepented]

Can TJS and TKL defy that expectation of logical human behaviour?

Best scenerio though unlikely to happen is TJS and TKL step down and throw their weight behind TCB.
TCB is not my first choice but to prevent TT from winning this is the only solution.....

TCB can split TT's votes.........and majority of 40% opposition votes will go to TCB.....expect higher % of spolit votes in this scenerio though. TCB can win it this way.

 

[MightyMouse]

Where you get this 33% magic number from? Not flaming, but wnt to understand. I estimate PAP vote bank to be 50-55%. See my earlier post.

30+% would be a reasonable estimate for a Presidential Election. Quite unlike a parliamentry election, the EP candidates do not have the same relationship with the voters as compared to the established MPs within their constituency. In the GE, many may have voted for PAP out of loyalty to the MP rather than any particular fondness for the government as a whole. Dr TCB has consistently managed to secure a higher vote percentage not withstanding the unhappiness with the PAP government. This loyalty factor (which is a big factor) will no longer apply.

 

[cobragold]

If any of the 3,
TKL, TJS or TCB will come out openly and say that they will investigate why TT son disrupted for 12 years and then came back and did a non NS post. They will get the 10 votes from my family. I cannot understand why no investigation is being carried out on TT .

 

[scroobal]

Nope. No law covering this.

Just curious - If TKL is offered $$$ to withdraw by known/unknown parties, is that unlawful or illegal?

 

[scroobal]

Yes. They are covered by law. Only certain things they cannot access such as lawyer client privileges.

Does anyone knows if the PEC have the right to ask NTUC Income for the reasons for TKL departure? Or PEC decision is based on and restricted to within the four corners of the candidates application for PE?

 

[scroobal]

Never equate GE with PE. The rich will always vote for PAP, because they do not want their projects and lifestyle impacted. Their is also inbuilt patronage system. Not so for PE. As I said before, people were straled by OTC share of vote against a total unknown. The Presidency has little or no impact on policies or the business of this country.

Using similar equation as GE may not be the right approach.

PAP might have miscalculated this time round. Core PAP supporters has dropped to only 33%. If there are many choices, the swing will be towards the other three candidates. We may have a situation with the real fight is between TCB, TJS and TKL.

Goh Meng Seng

 

[Narong Wongwan]

Yes I agree there are these bunch of voters to contend with, those who dislike the pap but at the same time who are too scare to vote against them because they cannot imagine a world without pap.

I have more respect for the pap hardcore supporters, they at least vote for the one they support.

After ruling for so long, the PAP's 33% is not the only problem - they also have a hardcore portion from the middle ground. In other words they are between PAP hardcore and the swing voters - people who would swing, not supporting PAP but just too afraid of losing them. The only places these hardcore-PAP-middle-ground tweeners are absent are in opposition wards where the MP has proven themselves. So let us not assume PAP is only 33% hardcore - that's only for opposition wards.

 

[Varuna]

Yes, an entire industry now qualifies. I am wondering whether the committee was pressured or guided.

This time the PEC has really thrown people off the chair. But I think this time round they are facing an onslaught of candidates of rather heavy-weight standings and if were to use strict PE criteria to disqualify all (except TT), may have a problem of justifying each and every case without being seen as bias. And on top of that, I am thinking they might have thought that having the rest to dilute the non-TT votes could be a winning formula!

 

[Varuna]

The only issue is TJS gains nothing in the end and the only way is to offer a VP. But I don't know how much power a President has to appoint a VP etc.

Better dun come up with a VP. Imagine our President CBL job scope has already stirred up a storm of debates and controversies, another VP post will most likely be seen as another bigger CBL post. Since TCB is older than TJS, maybe TCB will tell TJS that if he supports him for the run this round, next run he will reciprocate and lend TJS 100% support.

 

[annexa]

Scroo, you talk cock again is it? On TV TJS and TCB both say they will contest. TCB say nobody contacted him to talk. Don't bluff us can?

 

[rainnix]

Scroo, you talk cock again is it? On TV TJS and TCB both say they will contest. TCB say nobody contacted him to talk. Don't bluff us can?

Hahaha, TCB, TJS, TKL all slap Scooball, the rumor monger.