Why serve NS or have SAF when we don't even have our own food supply?

[stickystickgirl]

Are you retarded?

Singapore imports all her food. She has enough food stockpiled to last for a few months at least.

Even if Malaysia stops exporting food to us, we will do just fine as we have been importing most of our food from China, Australia, Vietnam etc. Even if they cut off their water supply, we will do just fine as we are almost self reliant on water now. We just have to have some water rationing.

And if Malaysia and Singapore fights a war, you are not really so stupid to thing that we will sit at home and starve to death don't you? We will landing our boys into Malaysia and raiding their food supplies. And our navy and f16s from Thailand, France, USA, Australia will be clearing our sea/air routes for food to be flown in while blockading the Malaysian supply lines.

This question is really damn stupid. With a 400k conscript force, we would be raiding Malaysia if war ever breaks out. In fact, it would be a land grab for SIngapore.

 

[Ramseth]

This question is really damn stupid. With a 400k conscript force, we would be raiding Malaysia if war ever breaks out. In fact, it would be a land grab for SIngapore.

How do they cross the Johor straits? Swim or waddle? Or queue up at customs to chop passports?

 

[manokie]

Am I retarded?

Singapore imports all her food. She has enough food stockpiled to last for a few months at least.

Even if Malaysia stops exporting food to us, we will do just fine as we have been importing most of our food from China, Australia, Vietnam etc. Even if they cut off their water supply, we will do just fine as we are almost self reliant on water now. We just have to have some water rationing.

And if Malaysia and Singapore fights a war, you are not really so stupid to thing that we will sit at home and starve to death don't you? We will landing our boys into Malaysia and raiding their food supplies. And our navy and f16s from Thailand, France, USA, Australia will be clearing our sea/air routes for food to be flown in while blockading the Malaysian supply lines.

This question is really damn stupid. With a 400k conscript force, we would be raiding Malaysia if war ever breaks out. In fact, it would be a land grab for SIngapore.

Yes you are.

What if the sea lines are cut?

How are other countries going to ship their food to SG?

 

[Ramseth]

What if the sea lines are cut?

How are other countries going to ship their food to SG?

That's a fairy who think food and water can be sent through telephone lines.

 

[stickystickgirl]

How do they cross the Johor straits? Swim or waddle? Or queue up at customs to chop passports?

Rubber dingies, transport ships, helicopters, chinooks, airplanes, mechanical bridges by army engineers - which by the way, we have quite a few

heck the straits of johore is only 400 metres or so at most. you can put on a life vest and swim across easily like what mat selamat did.

It wouldn't be hard for our industries to mass manufacture many big transport boats on a short notice as well. Just weld the hull and slap a motor on it so it can move for 400 metres. We already have a big ship building industry.

Yes you are.

What if the sea lines are cut?

How are other countries going to ship their food to SG?

Our navy and air force are actually a lot more powerful than Malaysia's so I don't think we will be cut off that easily. If anything, we will be the ones cutting their supply routes and bombing them not vice versa.

By then our boys will probably be deep in Johore and moving up, raiding their food and water supplies. Actually, our civillians would probably be moved up as well.

They will also be guarding reserviours in Johore for our water supply.

Oh yes, and the US, Japan, Australia, UK and Brunei will probably come to our aid as well. Australia and UK because they are under the five powers defence agreement with Singapore. Japan and US because they have tons of billion dollar buildings, banks, materials in our CBDs and industrial areas so they would be pissed if those were destroyed.

Brunei because we are good friends.

In fact, if there is a war between SG and Msia, Singapore will probably end up grabbing more land and maybe the entire Peninsular Malaysia will fall under our control.

 

[manokie]

Oh yes, and the US, Japan, Australia, UK and Brunei will probably come to our aid as well. Australia and UK because they are under the five powers defence agreement with Singapore. Japan and US because they have tons of billion dollar buildings, banks, materials in our CBDs and industrial areas so they would be pissed if those were destroyed.

Brunei because we are good friends.

The Five Power Defence Arrangements (FPDA) are a series of defence relationships established by bilateral agreements between the United Kingdom, Australia, New Zealand, Malaysia and Singapore.


Malaysia is also part of the agreement.

The US, Japan, Australia, UK and Brunei will probably come to our aid as well.

Any guarantee, agreement or pact?

 

[Ramseth]

You're either crazy or ignorant about serious warfare. Japan took about a thousand amphibious crafts to cross and land in WW2 after Britain bomnbed the Causeway in a failed attempt to stop them because their Navy already blockaded all four sides of the seas anyway. Go Google or Wiki Singapire Navy. Singapore more powerful than Britain or Japan?

 

[stickystickgirl]

Yes Malaysia is under the 5 powers agreement as well. Under the agreement, if any party is attacked, other parties must consult each other.

Of course there is no guarantee that people will aid us. But if you have billions of dollars of investments in Singapore, will you be pissed that someone burned them all? The US, Aus, Brunei and UK will use soft power at the very least.

And frankly, Singapore does not need their help. Our armed forces is tons better than Malaysia's. We can help ourselves and we stand a very good chance of winning any war and grabbing more land.

 

[stickystickgirl]

You're either crazy or ignorant about serious warfare. Japan took about a thousand amphibious crafts to cross and land in WW2 after Britain bomnbed the Causeway in a failed attempt to stop them because their Navy already blockaded all four sides of the seas anyway. Go Google or Wiki Singapire Navy. Singapore more powerful than Britain or Japan?

You are the crazy bastard.

The japs did not have a few thousand amphibious crafts. In fact, they repaired the blown up bridge and many of them cycled down while others landed via navy vessels.

You take any wooden boat, put a few soldiers on them and they can row over the straits of johore in 30 mins.

If Mat selamat, a crippled fat man can swim across the straits of johore with a styrofoam box, I don't see why our boys can't with rubber dingies (which we can easily manufacture millions of them) or with all the technology that they have - large transport ships, chinooks, engineers with mechanical floating bridges etc.

This is a fictional question about Singapore vs Malaysia in a war. Not Japan vs Britain.

 

[Wei Tuo Deva]

Extract from Tim Huxley Book, Defending The Lion City.
Foreword
The minuscule island-state of Singapore is exceptional in a
number of respects, especially in its economic accomplishments.
A further striking expression of that exceptionalism has been in
its government's provision for defence. Singapore stands out
within Southeast Asia for the absolute and relative size of its
defence budget, for the technological sophistication of its armed
forces and for its model of military mobilisation. In addressing
these and related topics, Dr Tim Huxley has provided the first
comprehensive and scholarly account of the origins, evolution and
institutional experience of Singapore's defence establishment. He
brings to this subject some two decades of assiduous research
based on fieldwork within Southeast Asia and involving a thor-
ough scouring of available source materials.

At issue in this meticulous study is why Singapore, which has
never experienced armed attack or an explicit threat of force since
independence, should engage in defence provision well beyond
that of any regional neighbour. Indeed, Dr Huxley points out that
Singapore is probably the most densely defended state anywhere.
He explains the strategic perspective that informs such defence
provision as well as the corresponding strategic doctrine based on
registering a credible deterrent capability towards its closest
neighbours, in particular. He also provides a detailed account of
the evolution of the country's separate services since an
unanticipated independence and their roles in the order of battle,
as well as an important analysis of civil-military relations in
which the non-involvement in politics of serving officers contrasts
with the political role assumed by select senior counterparts on
retirement from active service.

Dr Huxley notes that Singapore's defence policy is transparent

 

[halsey02]

All these talks, have you guys ever consider, all the Malaysians need to do, is to bring up missile batteries & fire from the State of Johor...the flats will fall like dominoes...

You think they do not have air defence hidden in the terrain or even the oil palm estates??...

A few hours of bombardment, there is nothing more to talk anymore....

 

[Royalblood]

So why not let US play a role like they do in Japan?

Remove NS and reduce size of SAF.

Pay US to defend our country.
It will be much cheaper. Japan only pay $2 Billion per year to host US.

Wake the fuck up man!

U mean u dun mind paying a foreign force to invade ur homeland!? What kind of nonsense is this? :oIo:

Japan has to pay the imperialistic US to protect them because of its own imperialist past. The Japs are not allowed to raise a full-flegde military, only a gay looking self-defence force. Their constitution was drafted by the fucking Americans. Probably, the fucking US saw China as a big threat to their sphere of influence in East Asia and therefore force the Japs to accept this humiliating "paid invasion" just so they can have all expenses paid bases and play big brother in East Asia!
Many Japanese resent the presence of the US Army, as they see this as an insult to their sovereignty and the fucking US soldiers like to go around raping Jap women. Furthermore, the bastard americans keep asking for more land to expand their fucking base. I think there was this one PM who stepped down coz he failed to fulfill his promise of driving out the bastard uncle-sam assholes out of Okinawa.

Furthermore, do u really think that we can trust a foreign army to really act in our interest? Look at what the Anglo fuckers did to us during WW2!

Singapore need its own military. So what if it cost more? There are many things money cannot buy, and money can always be earned back!:oIo:

 

[Royalblood]

All these talks, have you guys ever consider, all the Malaysians need to do, is to bring up missile batteries & fire from the State of Johor...the flats will fall like dominoes...

You think they do not have air defence hidden in the terrain or even the oil palm estates??...

A few hours of bombardment, there is nothing more to talk anymore....

I ask you one question:

Which silly country in this world would want to destroy another country and bulldozer it to ground zero?

Waging a war cost alot of money and resources. People are rationale and look for ROI. If the Mats invade, they must be after something we have in Singapore and it does not make sense for them to destroy everything in Singapore....

Who knows, they might be after our stock of SPGs because they are really curious as to why the fuck are they so dumb, slutty and traitorous and they have a burning desire to do some serious experiments on them and compile a world class working paper on this phenomena.

 

[Sideswipe]

Japan has to pay the imperialistic US to protect them because of its own imperialist past. The Japs are not allowed to raise a full-flegde military, only a gay looking self-defence force. Their constitution was drafted by the fucking Americans. Probably, the fucking US saw China as a big threat to their sphere of influence in East Asia and therefore force the Japs to accept this humiliating "paid invasion" just so they can have all expenses paid bases and play big brother in East Asia!

Japan can blame their atomic bombs sufferings on General Marshall who convinced Truman, a land invasion was necessary to end the war, later Truman decided to use atomic bomb. General MacArthur and Admiral Nimitz, true experts on the Pacific war whom Truman should listen to, both agreed that Japan could be forced to surrender by the use of sea and air power without an invasion of the Japanese homeland.

after that, Japan negotiated the surrender with Americans and they agree - Emperor Hirohito not prosecuted for war crimes / Japan would remain a constitutional monarchy / China will not be allowed to send troops to occupy Japan.

In return United States got a friendly country to contain Soviet Union in East Asia and all expenses paid bases till now.

 

[sleaguepunter]

bro royalblood,
first of all, Msia do not want singapore under them. Why the fark they want another 2m chinese into their population of 20m? that will change the racial ratio in Federal Malaysia, which is a no no as chinese will have a chance to form a govt with Indian support and cut off the malays.
Malaysia in total moblisation, army strength still below SAF total strength, with a part of force in eastern malaysia to guard against indo and brunei, at most 2/3 strength to face SAF. Looking at what Msia have, can easily see it a defense force, there only a brigade of PT91 near Muar to guard against us. Can see that they will deploy trading space for time against the SAF. It a strategic decision to deploy that brigade at Muar as it allow that armour brigade to face the SAF armoured column at a location of its own choosing while SAF spearhead will drive into a deathtrap.
With the recent purchase of MLRS from the PLA, the royal msia artillery can rain rockets into singapore from a range of 50-70km which the SAF SA have no chance to mount counter battery fire. It not easy to hunt MLRS from the air as lesson learn by allied airmen hunting for Iraqi scud mobile missile launchers.
It a lose lose situation for singapore in the event of a war, we will be isolated from the international community, we will be screw if Indo allied with Msia to close the melaka straits and the south china sea by declaring an exclusion zone.
So before u warmonggers start on your war path, think for the good of the citizens before u fire off the first round. Never fight for pride, remember pride is one of the seven sins.

 

[Ian6690]

I have always supported the need for our own army for the following reason:

No point spending all our $$$ on building up the country and when some bully nation want to take over our country, we got nothing to stop it. I rather have an army that can inflict damages to other nation so that they will thing twice about taking over our country or threatening war over some conflict. So what if we lose, we make sure the other party pays a heavy price for it or took over a badly damaged country while suffering heavy damage to their own as well.

The above being said, there will however be a certain location in Singapore which I would happily overlook defending.

 

[Wei Tuo Deva]

bro royalblood,
first of all, Msia do not want singapore under them. Why the fark they want another 2m chinese into their population of 20m? that will change the racial ratio in Federal Malaysia, which is a no no as chinese will have a chance to form a govt with Indian support and cut off the malays.
Malaysia in total moblisation, army strength still below SAF total strength, with a part of force in eastern malaysia to guard against indo and brunei, at most 2/3 strength to face SAF. Looking at what Msia have, can easily see it a defense force, there only a brigade of PT91 near Muar to guard against us. Can see that they will deploy trading space for time against the SAF. It a strategic decision to deploy that brigade at Muar as it allow that armour brigade to face the SAF armoured column at a location of its own choosing while SAF spearhead will drive into a deathtrap.
With the recent purchase of MLRS from the PLA, the royal msia artillery can rain rockets into singapore from a range of 50-70km which the SAF SA have no chance to mount counter battery fire. It not easy to hunt MLRS from the air as lesson learn by allied airmen hunting for Iraqi scud mobile missile launchers.
It a lose lose situation for singapore in the event of a war, we will be isolated from the international community, we will be screw if Indo allied with Msia to close the melaka straits and the south china sea by declaring an exclusion zone.
So before u warmonggers start on your war path, think for the good of the citizens before u fire off the first round. Never fight for pride, remember pride is one of the seven sins.

First part, true MUDland would not want another 2 to 3m chinks.

Part 2, wrong reasons for PT91 purchase, old toys, too heavy and too wide to cross mudland bridges and more so wrong position at Muar instead of KL. PT91 will be sitting ducks for APACHE as shooting gallery.

Part 3, MLRS old tech, fire and forget and not accurate, S'pore new MLRS out range and outgun m&ds MLRS. 80 TO 100km with GPS high explosive or cluster 500kg each. No need MLRS JDAM form F-15 will do the job.

Part 4, sea blockade old story of the yester years, now RSAN with a state of art brown water navy and also an array of Air to Surface like Harpoon and Sea hawk.

 

[Einfield]

Singapore can only be defended "Broken"

The initial firepower is for show only, it can't last more then 6 months, then it's FIBUA all the way, street by street, building by building, room by room.

Even down to knifes. This is what the enemy fear and will not want to engage in.

So our dear SAF paper general and MINDEF scholar, your mistake in defense doctrine for defending Singapore will not only waste or young man's time and tax payers money, but most importantly, gave them the wrong type of training and false sense of superiority.

All these talks, have you guys ever consider, all the Malaysians need to do, is to bring up missile batteries & fire from the State of Johor...the flats will fall like dominoes...

You think they do not have air defence hidden in the terrain or even the oil palm estates??...

A few hours of bombardment, there is nothing more to talk anymore....

 

[halsey02]

I ask you one question:

Which silly country in this world would want to destroy another country and bulldozer it to ground zero?

Waging a war cost alot of money and resources. People are rationale and look for ROI. If the Mats invade, they must be after something we have in Singapore and it does not make sense for them to destroy everything in Singapore....

Who knows, they might be after our stock of SPGs because they are really curious as to why the fuck are they so dumb, slutty and traitorous and they have a burning desire to do some serious experiments on them and compile a world class working paper on this phenomena.

Have you ever heard the name United States of America....

 

[Ramseth]

The japs did not have a few thousand amphibious crafts. In fact, they repaired the blown up bridge and many of them cycled down while others landed via navy vessels.

You take any wooden boat, put a few soldiers on them and they can row over the straits of johore in 30 mins.

Any vessel that can cross waters and lands soldiers is an amphibious craft improvised even if not specifically so designed. Heard of Dunkirk, Normandy and Falklands?

This is a fictional question about Singapore vs Malaysia in a war. Not Japan vs Britain.

What makes you think Malaysia will just sit there awaiting Singapore to land soldiers without resistance or retaliation?