This is how handsome the Yaya @True Believer (self-proclaimed high SES ACS boy) looks like

[Dongyi]

Ok. I agree. Everything that happens now i will put blame on you! Got black and white you cannot run liao

You came back in one piece.

 

[k1976]

Not me. I'm fully focused on GS300.

U get one already?
U deserved an upgrade for your hardwork

Topup abit can get Limited Edition Avatr 12

 

[Dongyi]

U get one already?
U deserved an upgrade for your hardwork

Topup abit can get Limited Edition Avatr 12

I use Grab, Gojek and TADA. So far no chance to ride on a GS300.

 

[Nut]

You came back in one piece.

Yep. But clock a very lousy timing for breaststroke 5km. Couldn't hit my target 1hr30mins. Only managed at 1hr50mins +/-...also very exhausted, so took a150mg of CoQ10 supplement capsule to quickly repair my damaged muscles.

 

[Dongyi]

1. In ancient times when humans walked around naked, nudity is the norm, it carried no lewd connotations. We live in a modern age where civilized people are expected to dress appropricately. Using adam and eve is not relevant.

It is difficult to draw a clear boundary between what is considered “civilized” and “uncivilized” in matters of social perception and moral interpretation. At what precise point does one become the other? But that is not the debate at hand. More importantly, the reference to Adam and Eve is not a historical comparison between stages of civilization, as you seem to suggest. Rather, it is a theological reference to humanity’s state before and after the Fall, where the transition from innocence to the knowledge of good and evil is marked with surgical precision.

If you are passing judgment on the object perceived, then whether something is lewd is a subjective evaluation, and regardless of the framework, you are entitled to your opinion. If a picture evokes lust or appears lewd to you, who is anyone else to insist otherwise?

However, if you are passing judgment on the perceiver, then the perceiver’s subjective experience is what matters. If someone sees David by Michelangelo as a work of art rather than something lewd, it is not for an external observer to recast that experience as lustful from the outside.​

2. Where is your evidence that the Deacon is now in the state of being 'able not to sin'?

I am not defending the Deacon as an individual; I am defending the underlying concept of innocence he invokes, namely the idea that it is entirely possible for a true believer to apprehend what others perceive as lewd not as an object of sexualized interpretation, but as part of God’s creation, received through a mode of perception that is not structured by lust or impurity.

The distinction is subtle but important. It is analogous to a defendant in a court of law advancing a particular defense. To acknowledge that the defense is legally or logically available is not the same as concluding that the defendant has established it.
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[Dongyi]

Yep. But clock a very lousy timing for breaststroke 5km. Couldn't hit my target 1hr30mins. Only managed at 1hr50mins +/-...also very exhausted, so took a150mg of CoQ10 supplement capsule to quickly repair my damaged muscles.

Breaststroke 5 km ? You really siasuay ACS.

 

[duluxe]

It is difficult to draw a clear boundary between what is considered “civilized” and “uncivilized” in matters of social perception and moral interpretation. At what precise point does one become the other? But that is not the debate at hand. More importantly, the reference to Adam and Eve is not a historical comparison between stages of civilization, as you seem to suggest. Rather, it is a theological reference to humanity’s state before and after the Fall, where the transition from innocence to the knowledge of good and evil is marked with surgical precision.
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Ah beng spewing profanity, I would consider it a norm. But, if a deacon or a true believer were to behave the same, that is a different judgement. Objectively, we should be using modern age as yardstick. Citing and using the overplayed "Adam & Eve" narrative is barking up the wrong tree. The subject is why TB cannot pick a woman who is clothed appropriately for admiring her beauty.

Coolie gene is considered civilized or uncivilized?

 

[Dongyi]

Ah beng spewing profanity, I would consider it a norm. But, if a deacon or a true believer were to behave the same, that is a different judgement. Objectively, we should be using modern age as yardstick. Citing and using the overplayed "Adam & Eve" narrative is barking up the wrong tree. The subject is why TB cannot pick a woman who is clothed appropriately for admiring her beauty.

Coolie gene is considered civilized or uncivilized?

If he had not professed to be a true believer, your assertion that the Adam and Eve narrative is irrelevant would be correct. But since he does profess to be one, it is relevant because his conduct must be evaluated against the standards of the faith he claims to uphold. Just as you would not judge a Muslim by Christian standards, neither should you disregard the Christian framework when assessing someone who identifies as a Christian. ​

 

[duluxe]

If he had not professed to be a true believer, your assertion that the Adam and Eve narrative is irrelevant would be correct. But since he does profess to be one, it is relevant because his conduct must be evaluated against the standards of the faith he claims to uphold. Just as you would not judge a Muslim by Christian standards, neither should you disregard the Christian framework when assessing someone who identifies as a Christian. ​

We have already proved his is a false believer using the standards of his belief. To make your point, you even quoted biblical verses. He professed, doesn't mean he is one.

 

[duluxe]

If you are passing judgment on the object perceived, then whether something is lewd is a subjective evaluation, and regardless of the framework, you are entitled to your opinion. If a picture evokes lust or appears lewd to you, who is anyone else to insist otherwise?

However, if you are passing judgment on the perceiver, then the perceiver’s subjective experience is what matters. If someone sees David by Michelangelo as a work of art rather than something lewd, it is not for an external observer to recast that experience as lustful from the outside.

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I am making an objective comment to the best of my knowledge and using modern age as the context. The dress code is lewd or not, you can observe what the majority are wearing during morning peak hours in the MRT as reference point.

Subjectively, you should ask TB whether he is comfortable for his wife to wear the same type of lewd dressing to work as highlighted by me. His response will be the "perceiver subjective experience" you are arguing.

 

[duluxe]

I am not defending the Deacon as an individual; I am defending the underlying concept of innocence he invokes, namely the idea that it is entirely possible for a true believer to apprehend what others perceive as lewd not as an object of sexualized interpretation, but as part of God’s creation, received through a mode of perception that is not structured by lust or impurity.

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You said "..as part of God’s creation"? God's creations should be in their bare, natural state. The controversial has been the subjects of the photos shared by TB, they are dressed lewdly.

 

[k1976]

I use Grab, Gojek and TADA. So far no chance to ride on a GS300.

Ok lah…too tired better dun drive
Money let other earn abit for peace of mind

 

[k1976]

If he had not professed to be a true believer, your assertion that the Adam and Eve narrative is irrelevant would be correct. But since he does profess to be one, it is relevant because his conduct must be evaluated against the standards of the faith he claims to uphold. Just as you would not judge a Muslim by Christian standards, neither should you disregard the Christian framework when assessing someone who identifies as a Christian. ​

Christian no need to Potong birdie or cut Abalone de woh

 

[Dongyi]

Ok lah…too tired better dun drive
Money let other earn abit for peace of mind

No car drive similan ha?

 

[k1976]

No car drive similan ha?

Yeah loh
Hand tight tight, now drive Grab loh

 

[Dongyi]

Christian no need to Potong birdie or cut Abalone de woh

Potong birdie is 東廠 lah. Muslim potong the skin lah.