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Worker's Party is PAP Team B. Period.
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WP at the Crossroads?
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Talking with your cock in your own arse! Why, Workers Party should request of the PAP Lee gangsters to hold the next GE in Hong Kong? Sor Hai ka neh! You got a degree from NUS?
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We should summarize the reasons why WP isn't doing what is expected of them by forummers and decipher these possible reasons. With this, we can lay out the cards on the table and everyone can see their own clearer picture.
1) They are a "false opposition party" or "PAP team B, team lite etc."
This means WP has either been bribed at the leadership level at a certain point in time, infiltrated by PAP members who now form the new leadership of WP or was a PAP set up in the first place. Whatever the scenario, this is a favourite for conspiracy theorists. Critics would argue that allies would not attack one another or bring one another to court and if they are really allies, they would not be bothered to hide it. The less conspiracist would say that WP is trying to emulate PAP's successes. For that, we can look at point 3).
2) They are greedy for the money (MP allowance) and do not want to lose it
Not an unreasonable assertion. The only issue with this argument is, it was used to explain why LTK held down WP when he was the only one earning the MP allowance. He did not need to step into Aljunied to get 4 more WP MPs elected.
3) They do not want to lose the middle ground by associating with certain people, their causes and events
That being the case, do we really want them to lose the middle ground?
4) They want the work cut out for them by others
A paradoxical argument. If there was political capital to milk, they would have wholeheartedly and unconditionally supported Roy; not much effort is needed. Proponents of this argument are indirectly praising the WP for not making use of Roy to gain support.
5) They are afraid of attacks by the PAP
Anyone knows the PAP would not need an issue or timing to attack. We have seen battles between the 2 parties over Hougang, PE, PWP, Public Order Bill, President's Address, PA, TC audit, NEA and hawker centres, Budget 2012, 2013, 2014. Some may still not be convinced.
6) They are not interested in controversial issues or prefer grassroots work
We can see WP avoids controversial issues like gay issues but CPF is certainly not one of them. We know Png has made a speech on CPF and we know the issue here is not about CPF but supporting Roy. And I am sure even if WP decides tomorrow to stop organizing another activity for residents and close down all their MPS, their parliamentary approach would not change.
7) They are simply incompetent and out-of-touch
Without defining what is competency, this aspect is the most subjective and hard to prove among the 7 points; it has to be measured without singling out WP against unfair and unreasonable standards not applied to other parties.
1) They are a "false opposition party" or "PAP team B, team lite etc."
This means WP has either been bribed at the leadership level at a certain point in time, infiltrated by PAP members who now form the new leadership of WP or was a PAP set up in the first place. Whatever the scenario, this is a favourite for conspiracy theorists. Critics would argue that allies would not attack one another or bring one another to court and if they are really allies, they would not be bothered to hide it. The less conspiracist would say that WP is trying to emulate PAP's successes. For that, we can look at point 3).
2) They are greedy for the money (MP allowance) and do not want to lose it
Not an unreasonable assertion. The only issue with this argument is, it was used to explain why LTK held down WP when he was the only one earning the MP allowance. He did not need to step into Aljunied to get 4 more WP MPs elected.
3) They do not want to lose the middle ground by associating with certain people, their causes and events
That being the case, do we really want them to lose the middle ground?
4) They want the work cut out for them by others
A paradoxical argument. If there was political capital to milk, they would have wholeheartedly and unconditionally supported Roy; not much effort is needed. Proponents of this argument are indirectly praising the WP for not making use of Roy to gain support.
5) They are afraid of attacks by the PAP
Anyone knows the PAP would not need an issue or timing to attack. We have seen battles between the 2 parties over Hougang, PE, PWP, Public Order Bill, President's Address, PA, TC audit, NEA and hawker centres, Budget 2012, 2013, 2014. Some may still not be convinced.
6) They are not interested in controversial issues or prefer grassroots work
We can see WP avoids controversial issues like gay issues but CPF is certainly not one of them. We know Png has made a speech on CPF and we know the issue here is not about CPF but supporting Roy. And I am sure even if WP decides tomorrow to stop organizing another activity for residents and close down all their MPS, their parliamentary approach would not change.
7) They are simply incompetent and out-of-touch
Without defining what is competency, this aspect is the most subjective and hard to prove among the 7 points; it has to be measured without singling out WP against unfair and unreasonable standards not applied to other parties.
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My condolences in your having to witness Goh Meng Seng's waving his cock in public.
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GMS will reply in Hainanese - bo but te!
You know very well why not?. LTK is not ex MP MK Jabbar of the PAP of old. He is the leader of the opposition and someone should give him a gold medal for his determination to stick to English. You and I know the PAP wants him to switch to Mandarin. It's ain't happening.
These are things that gets him votes.
These are things that gets him votes.
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What do I think of an ex-politician with no determination in what was supposed to be his passion - to serve the people of Singapore? He's just an opportunist for that $16K salary. Downright rubbish!
Agree on the SL and PS taking up the slack. They were doing it for sometime but quite surprised lately.
The remuneration is a a difficult proposition. All the 1st world opposition, Westminster, US and French etc are built on scrutinising the policies and actions of the government. For example I was surprised that PS was wasting time endorsing Ng's NS for foreigners crap. They should go for the jugular more often and this government has so many issues to explain.
As to comparing with PAP MPs, that is not a fair assessment. They are controlled by the whip and they are not in opposition. Their role is different. Look what Inderjit Singh wrote in his Facebook. I thought that was the most damaging pieces that any MP contributed in recent weeks in and outside of parliament.
The remuneration is a a difficult proposition. All the 1st world opposition, Westminster, US and French etc are built on scrutinising the policies and actions of the government. For example I was surprised that PS was wasting time endorsing Ng's NS for foreigners crap. They should go for the jugular more often and this government has so many issues to explain.
As to comparing with PAP MPs, that is not a fair assessment. They are controlled by the whip and they are not in opposition. Their role is different. Look what Inderjit Singh wrote in his Facebook. I thought that was the most damaging pieces that any MP contributed in recent weeks in and outside of parliament.
This one is a potential powder keg. It's involves finance and financial probity, similar lines of arguments and scrutiny over things such as CPF.
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Why can't people give them the benefit of the doubt that they are bidding their time awaiting the eventual demise of the big albeit old cannon in the not too distant future?
People are. As long as they taking seats away from the PAP, they will get the support from those who find the PAP's conduct unacceptable.
These are criticism to spur them on. It's not that they have tongue tied individuals. Did you hear Png Eng Huat Speech at the rally.
We know they can shoot from the right foot, so we are asking them to try the left foot as well.
These are criticism to spur them on. It's not that they have tongue tied individuals. Did you hear Png Eng Huat Speech at the rally.
We know they can shoot from the right foot, so we are asking them to try the left foot as well.
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That's absolutely not true at all. It's just your fertile imagination. It's a fact WP got only 12.8% of the total votes, and not 40%. It's in black and white. WP doesn't represent the whole of the 40%. Don't twist facts around.
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Fair enough. But I feel people should be allowed to eat mee siam the way they like it except for that stupid cheebye who requested mai hum!
He is stating what the people who voted against the PAP want. LTK is the leader of the opposition. He is not the leader of 7 seats. LTK cannot seek a bill where he says that he only represents the 7 seats. It's a huge burden to carry. This is not proportional representation. If it was GMS would be part of the legislature. Then a portion of the burden sits with him.
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Get this straight in your head. LTK is NOT the leader of the opposition. There is no such position in the whole of Singapore. It's just your fertile imagination.
People can imagine their votes for NSP, SDP etc are for WP, but the fact remains that this cannot ever be quantified, and can only be relegated to people's imagination.
LTK is only the leader of WP. He can't meddle in the affairs of NSP, SDP etc. Please don't let your imagination twist reality around. Thank you very much.
The guy who asked for mai hum with his mee Siam is screwed not matter what happens with WP's performance in parliament. He and his party will lose more votes for his behaviour towards the WP. LTK speech spoke about political culture and bullying. The prick did not listen and now he is in hot soup. Obviously the wiser one is LTK.
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Now it just dawned on me that there is no such thing as a Commission in the Mafia world and the equivalent in Chinese triads and Russian gangland. In a coalition government the representative of the smallest component party will become Prime Minister. I need more cowbell.
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