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Tang Dynasty people did not speak Mandarin !
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ppl oso dunno u ... u cant even spell his name properly ...
I also dunno yu bro
yes. Sun Yat Sen was given more credit than he deserved.
it's Sun and his wife naivety about CCP, Russia and Communism that fuck up China for decades. the 1911 Wuchang uprising was organized by army officers who were connected to Song Jiaoren therefore Song deserved the most credits for the successful revolution. but Sun was quite noble to give up power to Yuan Shikai. the revolutionary armies cannot defeat Yuan's armies. Sun had only one realistic choice to establish a China republic, that was to give up the presidency to Yuan.
the root of the warlords organization arose from late Qing times which saw the rise of military governorship in many provinces. the military governors retained their military strength and control over their respective areas after 1911. Sun and Kuomintang were simply unable to erode or diminish the strength of the military governors or warlords in north or south. this warlord issue was an insuperable problem. cannot blame Sun for the warlord era that arose after Yuan Shikai's death.
btw. Sun can be considered Hakka-Cantonese.
Is that Sun Whore's brother?
sun yam seng? ... moon leh? ...
Indeed, the genesis of humans is very fascinating. Some times, we wished there were proper records that could trace us back over time to the early man, but that is not possible.
The whole world can be traced back to the same ancestor if we trace back far enough. We are all one.
Who is the first human on Earth? Did we just appear from nothing?
ah loon n dat haier mortal ah charlie wil never agree wif u low-stok, daft sinkie ...
Adam was the first human. He was created by God Almighty.
Some people think life can pop out of dead matter. These are the people who believe in evolution. Do you believe in evolution?
I don't know how to answer such questions. I've only questions. Do you know why humans got so many color types? black, yellow, white, red, brown, purple, gold....really, some negros are purple in color and in Tibet, some people are gold in color.
Did you do any research to back your views?
From many sources in the Internet (see links below), many linguistics experts think that southern dialects like Hokkien, Teochew and Cantonese resemble ancient Middle Chinese (中古汉语) more than Mandarin. Ancient Middle Chinese is the language spoken during the Northern-Southern (more than 1000 ago), Sui and Tang dynasties. Also, Tang poems rhyme better when recited in the southern dialects than in Mandarin.
So how can your premise that the southern dialects have more in common with the languages spoken by the Nan Yue and Min Yue people than the Tang people be true unless it is the Nan Yue and Min Yue tribes who wrote the Tang poems?
How can the southern dialects resemble ancient Middle Chinese (中古汉语) more than Mandarin if they had more in common with the Nan Yue/Min Yue tribes?
A lot of Singaporean Chinese nowadays are Yellow Bananas. They learn everything they know from Western sources, and as a result, their thinking is also always one sided - always from the Western perspective. They don't even know that ancient Chinese was once a world superpower, just like England in the 19th century and USA in the 20th century and now. In ancient times, China (meaning Han Chinese) was so much more advanced than its neighbors and most of the rest of the world that it is impossible that minority tribes like Nan Yue/Min Yue and Vietnam could influence the Chinese immigrants more than vice versa. During the Tang dynasty, Japan and Korea would send their scholars to China to study, just like we send our scholars to USA or UK to study nowadays.
As recent as half a century ago, inter-dialect marriage was frowned upon. The Teochews would avoid marrying the Hokkiens or Cantonese and vice versa. So you could imagine that inter-racial marriage was taboo. Now, do you think the Chinese who fled from the Central Plains to the south more than 1,000 years ago would inter-marry with the Yue and Min minority tribes in great numbers? Remember that the Chinese were much more advanced than anybody else at that time. Do you think the local tribes could influence the Chinese settlers more than vice versa? Read my
earlier post on the terms the Chinese use to refer to foreigners (or non-Chinese).
Regarding the Cantonese, some said that they were descendents from the 50,000 Qin soldiers Qin Shih Huan (the first Chinese Emperor) sent to Guangdong more than 2000 years ago.
Some said that the Chinese immigration to the areas now occupied by the Teochews, Hokkiens actually started in the Jin dynasty (after then 3 Kingdoms) - way before the Tang dynasty. But the mass immigration probably occurred during the Tang dynasty.
http://cbc.polyu.edu.hk/tc/local_cef24.htm
http://sinology.info/new_page_1.htm
http://baike.baidu.com/view/33241.htm?fromId=13645
http://baike.baidu.com/view/39085.htm?fromId=21060
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_language
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_Chinese
From many sources in the Internet (see links below), many linguistics experts think that southern dialects like Hokkien, Teochew and Cantonese resemble ancient Middle Chinese (中古汉语) more than Mandarin. Ancient Middle Chinese is the language spoken during the Northern-Southern (more than 1000 ago), Sui and Tang dynasties. Also, Tang poems rhyme better when recited in the southern dialects than in Mandarin.
So how can your premise that the southern dialects have more in common with the languages spoken by the Nan Yue and Min Yue people than the Tang people be true unless it is the Nan Yue and Min Yue tribes who wrote the Tang poems?
How can the southern dialects resemble ancient Middle Chinese (中古汉语) more than Mandarin if they had more in common with the Nan Yue/Min Yue tribes?
A lot of Singaporean Chinese nowadays are Yellow Bananas. They learn everything they know from Western sources, and as a result, their thinking is also always one sided - always from the Western perspective. They don't even know that ancient Chinese was once a world superpower, just like England in the 19th century and USA in the 20th century and now. In ancient times, China (meaning Han Chinese) was so much more advanced than its neighbors and most of the rest of the world that it is impossible that minority tribes like Nan Yue/Min Yue and Vietnam could influence the Chinese immigrants more than vice versa. During the Tang dynasty, Japan and Korea would send their scholars to China to study, just like we send our scholars to USA or UK to study nowadays.
As recent as half a century ago, inter-dialect marriage was frowned upon. The Teochews would avoid marrying the Hokkiens or Cantonese and vice versa. So you could imagine that inter-racial marriage was taboo. Now, do you think the Chinese who fled from the Central Plains to the south more than 1,000 years ago would inter-marry with the Yue and Min minority tribes in great numbers? Remember that the Chinese were much more advanced than anybody else at that time. Do you think the local tribes could influence the Chinese settlers more than vice versa? Read my
earlier post on the terms the Chinese use to refer to foreigners (or non-Chinese).
Regarding the Cantonese, some said that they were descendents from the 50,000 Qin soldiers Qin Shih Huan (the first Chinese Emperor) sent to Guangdong more than 2000 years ago.
Some said that the Chinese immigration to the areas now occupied by the Teochews, Hokkiens actually started in the Jin dynasty (after then 3 Kingdoms) - way before the Tang dynasty. But the mass immigration probably occurred during the Tang dynasty.
http://cbc.polyu.edu.hk/tc/local_cef24.htm
http://sinology.info/new_page_1.htm
http://baike.baidu.com/view/33241.htm?fromId=13645
http://baike.baidu.com/view/39085.htm?fromId=21060
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_language
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_Chinese
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Mutation or microevolution. Scientists will tell you that the genetic variations within a race is bigger than variations between races.
Scientifically, races are not significant.
Even among dogs, we see different breeds but they all came from the same ancestors. A distinct breed liek Doberman is only about 100 years old.
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Wow !
Your area of expertise extends beyond just echoing PAP's virtues ....... I am impressed.
sure the genetic differences are small but so what? Ppl still get judged harshly based on that.
Correct, southern Chinese people are not of pure Han stock but a product of intermixing between Han settlers who moved south and the indigenous Yue tribes - Nan Yue (Guangdong & Guangxi) and Min Yue (Fujian). There was another Yue tribe residing in north Vietnam at that time and these are the ancestors of the present day Vietnamese people.
The same thing happened when Chinese immigrants first arrived in Malaya in the 15/16th century. Over time, they intermixed with the natives and gave rise to the Peranakan people.
i think this is valid reasoning......
The chinks then considered every non chink as barbarians........chinks very yaya and snobbish then.
So asking them to fuck barbarians is quiet unthinkable.......machiam how the nazis view the jews
The chinks then considered every non chink as barbarians........chinks very yaya and snobbish then.
So asking them to fuck barbarians is quiet unthinkable.......machiam how the nazis view the jews
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