Agree with you that SDP under CSJ didn't achieve much in the early years. Those were the difficult years for the opposition, even for JBJ, he didn't win any seat during that time, since Anson. The opposition were pretty much suppressed with only CST and LTK on board. But the SDP have changed in recent years, in 2011, they have attracted some talents and am still continuing to bring new talent into the party. With his discharge from bankruptcy, CSJ can now contest in the elections. If he wins, then it is good for him, he has redeem himself. If he lose, he ought to make way for a new leader.
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SDP - Democrats continue groundwork - on this coming Sunday, 26 May 2013
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Agree with you that SDP under CSJ didn't achieve much in the early years. Those were the difficult years for the opposition, even for JBJ, he didn't win any seat during that time, since Anson. The opposition were pretty much suppressed with only CST and LTK on board. But the SDP have changed in recent years, in 2011, they have attracted some talents and am still continuing to bring new talent into the party. With his discharge from bankruptcy, CSJ can now contest in the elections. If he wins, then it is good for him, he has redeem himself. If he lose, he ought to make way for a new leader.
That's true. No one has contested TP for decades because it was a strong fortress like the Ottoman Empire in the early days. But TP will eventually be like the Sick Man of Europe, the empire will fall one day, only a matter of time.
It will be a waste to see some opposition heavy weight lose at TP, if the old man is still strong. Someone like Desmond Lim should try his luck there, if he fails, the opposition lost nothing.
There are two myths at work here. First myth is that Tanjong Pagar is a fortress. Fact is that Anson was a part of Tanjong Pagar 30 years ago, and therefore TP GRC contains former opposition territory. The last place that I predicted was a PAP stronghold was Punggol East and I won't make that mistake again. I also won't forget that when the GE 2011 results came out I failed to predict that East Coast and Joo Chiat would be strong grounds for the opposition.
Second myth is that SDP's 1991-1997 term imploded because of Chiam See Tong vs Chee. Yes, that conflict cost the SDP deeply. But it wasn't Chee Soon Juan's fault alone. We are forgetting the role of Chiam See Tong who destroyed not one, not two but three political parties: the SDP, the SDA and the SPP. It takes two hands to clap and the rebellion would have taken place with or without Chee. Let's not forget the roles of Ling How Doong ("don't talk cock") and Cheo Chai Chen (last seen as Nicole Seah's henchman) in this. Maybe both of them just had the luck of running against out of touch PAP MPs in 1991. If they were good enough to be MPs, they would have retained their seats. I think - yes, Chee Soon Juan acted like a clown, but he was far from the only guy who acted like a clown.
As before, there's very little I can do to predict the strength of SDP's showing at Tanjong Pagar, if they decide to contest. The Great Opposition horse-trading conference is still some time in the future. I'm just going to sit and watch what happens.
Second myth is that SDP's 1991-1997 term imploded because of Chiam See Tong vs Chee. Yes, that conflict cost the SDP deeply. But it wasn't Chee Soon Juan's fault alone. We are forgetting the role of Chiam See Tong who destroyed not one, not two but three political parties: the SDP, the SDA and the SPP. It takes two hands to clap and the rebellion would have taken place with or without Chee. Let's not forget the roles of Ling How Doong ("don't talk cock") and Cheo Chai Chen (last seen as Nicole Seah's henchman) in this. Maybe both of them just had the luck of running against out of touch PAP MPs in 1991. If they were good enough to be MPs, they would have retained their seats. I think - yes, Chee Soon Juan acted like a clown, but he was far from the only guy who acted like a clown.
As before, there's very little I can do to predict the strength of SDP's showing at Tanjong Pagar, if they decide to contest. The Great Opposition horse-trading conference is still some time in the future. I'm just going to sit and watch what happens.
cant agree more with what you have said. I think civil disobedience and Chee's acts have not cut any ice with the voters thus far, and I doubt that will change soon in the future.
CSJ shld stop reading Gandhi and Mandela and start reading The Prince by Machiavelli. in other words, with a villain such as the PAP, you have to learn how to play dirty also, not bleed yr heart on yr sleeve.
CSJ shld stop reading Gandhi and Mandela and start reading The Prince by Machiavelli. in other words, with a villain such as the PAP, you have to learn how to play dirty also, not bleed yr heart on yr sleeve.
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It's been years already and some people are still sleeping.
After SDP's civil disobedience during the World Bank meeting, PAP changed the law and protests became legal at Hong Lim. In other words, PAP accepts protests and Young PAP even went there to protest.
PAP knows the inevitable, as the country matures, people will be more vocal. In contrast, WP has been re-using the old trick of sounding milder and hence more credible.
Even ESM Goh accepts the 6.9 Million Population protests, which saw the largest turnouts, as something positive. Now, some PAP-friendly people are trying to turn Hong Lim into a happy place whilst some are turning protests into happy events. PAP is definitely accepting protests (except for the angry people part).
In contrast, Daniel Goh of WP got sabo-ed and look backward when he criticised disobedience against the government. The ass-kisser got kicked by the horse when right after his interview, some people protested at Orchard Road and Lim Swee Say honked in happy approval.
PAP is more enlightened than WP in trying to regain grounds in the East.
After SDP's civil disobedience during the World Bank meeting, PAP changed the law and protests became legal at Hong Lim. In other words, PAP accepts protests and Young PAP even went there to protest.
PAP knows the inevitable, as the country matures, people will be more vocal. In contrast, WP has been re-using the old trick of sounding milder and hence more credible.
Even ESM Goh accepts the 6.9 Million Population protests, which saw the largest turnouts, as something positive. Now, some PAP-friendly people are trying to turn Hong Lim into a happy place whilst some are turning protests into happy events. PAP is definitely accepting protests (except for the angry people part).
In contrast, Daniel Goh of WP got sabo-ed and look backward when he criticised disobedience against the government. The ass-kisser got kicked by the horse when right after his interview, some people protested at Orchard Road and Lim Swee Say honked in happy approval.
PAP is more enlightened than WP in trying to regain grounds in the East.
Chng Jit Kiin was very popular with Tiong Bahru residents but not his successor koo Tsai kee. Indranee took over from Koo Tsai Kee and is now looking after old farts ward. Other than Indranee the other poplar MP in TP GRC is Lily Neo previously from Jalan Besar GRC. TP GRC is a blackhole but i think with these 2 around, it difficult for opposition to win.
The PAP is trying to dilute the two well-attended protests at Hong Lim by staging their own silly events in order to serve as a distraction. They are afraid of what they saw, and they know how much control they have lost, how out of touch they have become.
In contrast, WP in making inroads rapidly because of the huge, positive political base built up over the years, and their patience is finally paying off. The PAP is falling further and further behind the curve because they are bogged down by their own dogma, sectarian interests, and the overarching philosophy of LKY that refuses to go away like a shadow in the night. That is why the PAP is fumbling, losing its hold on the long term goals, and ceding ground to the opposition at an increasing rate.
Democrats met residents at Tanjong Pagar and West Coast on 26 May 2013
http://yoursdp.org/news/hello_singaporeans/2013-05-27-5633estates
It was a great day for a walkabout and the Singapore Democrats took full advantage of it by touring the southern part of the country yesterday to meet with the people whom we look forward to serve.
Women- and men-in-red descended upon the housing estates in Tanjong Pagar and West Coast to meet and greet market goers and those out for their Sunday breakfast.
Party activists were deployed in two teams with each team visiting a number of food centres. Because of the deployment, we were able to cover seven centres stretching from Bukit Merah to Ayer Rajah while not compromising on the time at each location to meet with our residents.
http://yoursdp.org/news/hello_singaporeans/2013-05-27-5633estates
It was a great day for a walkabout and the Singapore Democrats took full advantage of it by touring the southern part of the country yesterday to meet with the people whom we look forward to serve.
Women- and men-in-red descended upon the housing estates in Tanjong Pagar and West Coast to meet and greet market goers and those out for their Sunday breakfast.
Party activists were deployed in two teams with each team visiting a number of food centres. Because of the deployment, we were able to cover seven centres stretching from Bukit Merah to Ayer Rajah while not compromising on the time at each location to meet with our residents.
Armed with balloons, fans and a brand new edition of The New Democrat, members talked to residents about our alternative policies and what we could do for them in Parliament.
The latest edition of our newspaper explains the dangers of increasing our population to 6.9 million as proposed by the PAP Government and presents the SDP's alternative policies on how to manage population growth in a sustainable manner.
Headlined "We cannot have 7 million people", we introduce our six-point plan on how to control the standard of foreign talent coming into the country while, at the same time, maintain a high quality of life for our citizens:
Enact the Singaporeans First Policy
Retain local talent
Raise the Total Fertility Rate
Introduce the Genuine Progress Index
Strengthen the Singaporean identity
Revamp the Ministerial pay formula
Read SDP unveils six-point plan to control population here: http://yoursdp.ucoz.org/news/sdp_unveils_six_point_plan_to_control_population/2013-02-14-5548
The newspaper also carries our proposals for an alternative public housing plan as well as our recommendations to build a healthcare system that is universal, affordable and sustainable.
Read also SDP proposes Non-Open Market flats in housing policy here: http://yoursdp.org/news/sdp_proposes_non_open_market_flats_in_housing_policy/2012-11-04-5430
Read also The SDP healthcare plan made simple here: http://yoursdp.org/publ/sdp_39_s_al...he_sdp_healthcare_plan_made_simple/31-1-0-968
The latest edition of our newspaper explains the dangers of increasing our population to 6.9 million as proposed by the PAP Government and presents the SDP's alternative policies on how to manage population growth in a sustainable manner.
Headlined "We cannot have 7 million people", we introduce our six-point plan on how to control the standard of foreign talent coming into the country while, at the same time, maintain a high quality of life for our citizens:
Enact the Singaporeans First Policy
Retain local talent
Raise the Total Fertility Rate
Introduce the Genuine Progress Index
Strengthen the Singaporean identity
Revamp the Ministerial pay formula
Read SDP unveils six-point plan to control population here: http://yoursdp.ucoz.org/news/sdp_unveils_six_point_plan_to_control_population/2013-02-14-5548
The newspaper also carries our proposals for an alternative public housing plan as well as our recommendations to build a healthcare system that is universal, affordable and sustainable.
Read also SDP proposes Non-Open Market flats in housing policy here: http://yoursdp.org/news/sdp_proposes_non_open_market_flats_in_housing_policy/2012-11-04-5430
Read also The SDP healthcare plan made simple here: http://yoursdp.org/publ/sdp_39_s_al...he_sdp_healthcare_plan_made_simple/31-1-0-968
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On previous occasions during our ground campaign, we conducted house visits, knocking on doors and visiting several blocks of households to listen to what they have to say.
While walkabouts allow us to have a greater reach to Singaporeans, house visits give us the chance to have quality interaction with residents. The SDP will continue to do both activities in our ground work.
It is only with a dedicated team of members, which continues to grow, that such activities are possible. We invite you, our fellow Singaporeans, to join us as we continue on our Road to GE2016.
Let us not just hope for a better Singapore, let us work for it! Please email us at [email protected] or join our Facebook.
The work is hard but necessary. During the visits yesterday morning, residents continued to express anxiousness over the rapid rising cost of living. Several told us that they would like to see their area contested in the next elections and wanted to see SDP speak up for them.
"We will continue to work hard and we will take your voice into parliament if we are elected," Dr Chee Soon Juan assured them.
For more photographs of the event, please visit the SDP's facebook album here: https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10151715971633455.1073741828.322502513454&type=1
While walkabouts allow us to have a greater reach to Singaporeans, house visits give us the chance to have quality interaction with residents. The SDP will continue to do both activities in our ground work.
It is only with a dedicated team of members, which continues to grow, that such activities are possible. We invite you, our fellow Singaporeans, to join us as we continue on our Road to GE2016.
Let us not just hope for a better Singapore, let us work for it! Please email us at [email protected] or join our Facebook.
The work is hard but necessary. During the visits yesterday morning, residents continued to express anxiousness over the rapid rising cost of living. Several told us that they would like to see their area contested in the next elections and wanted to see SDP speak up for them.
"We will continue to work hard and we will take your voice into parliament if we are elected," Dr Chee Soon Juan assured them.
For more photographs of the event, please visit the SDP's facebook album here: https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10151715971633455.1073741828.322502513454&type=1
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Agreed, SDP biggest contribution is Hong Lim Park and the laws allowing protests. The nation is indeed beholden. The next goal I suppose is how to get votes. After 21 years, I am sure they would have picked what is important and what is not. Couple of trips to Yale would probably help.
The entire party is built around lky. When he steps down from politics, the existing mechanisms will have less incentive to continue according TP the level of consideration that exists currently. The people of TP also identify lky as the anchor not just of their ward but as the symbol of PAP power itself - in a hard authoritarian sense. All that will start changing when old man steps down
go SDP!!!!!Kee Chiu was specially selected and he is a known aunty killer. As one of the sharper chaps in this forummer pointed out that it is akin to Johor which is the birthplace of UMNO. It will be a psychological blow to the PAP if they lose TP.
The only reason for a political party to contest TP is that they have little or no choice. Look at WP, notice that have not extended themselves to the West. Its an obvious tactical decision. And I can guarantee you that you will not see WP in TP.
The only reason for a political party to contest TP is that they have little or no choice. Look at WP, notice that have not extended themselves to the West. Its an obvious tactical decision. And I can guarantee you that you will not see WP in TP.
The time is ripe. The old man will not live forever. While I don't really dislike Kee chiu or Lily Neo, it's a good strategy to start sinking your claws into this place. If WP doesn't want to go there, then it's not a big loss. Maybe they want to start invading Pasir Ris. If so, good for them! Maybe they think they have enough territory and should start consolidating their gains and turning their territory into actual seats. They don't really need to expand. Perhaps Tanjong Pagar is too ang mor pai for them. Maybe a more ang mor pai party like SDP will be suitable for TP.
The NSPs, the SPPs and the DPPs might have something to say about the SDP stepping onto fresh turf, so the SDP will have to sort it out with them.
Contrary to what Scroobal said, Tanjong Pagar is not about historical significance (and even then Anson has its historical significance too). Tanjong Pagar is about the facts on the ground, and if the facts on the ground is that the tide is turning, it is what it is.
As TFBH pointed out earlier, the PAP is weakening everywhere, and therefore everywhere is fair game. Their balls are ripe to be squeezed, so start sticking your hands down their pants now.
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Dear Scroobal
Interesting, this notion of cultural and historical affinity. The Tanjong Pagar of today this GRC monstrosity bears no resemblance to what was the Tanjong Pagar of old. It now stretches pass Caldedoctt hill to Braddell Heights and encompasses huge portions of 9 10 11.
The PAP roots were in TP and Kreta Ayer and Hong Lim. Caldecott Hill Bukit TImah faint
Locke
Interesting, this notion of cultural and historical affinity. The Tanjong Pagar of today this GRC monstrosity bears no resemblance to what was the Tanjong Pagar of old. It now stretches pass Caldedoctt hill to Braddell Heights and encompasses huge portions of 9 10 11.
The PAP roots were in TP and Kreta Ayer and Hong Lim. Caldecott Hill Bukit TImah faint
Locke
Its his seat of power, he held it since independence. Why pick TP. There are easier battles to win. I am sure if all opposition parties in unison asked WP to contest TP, they will say no. WP was prepared to take AMK but not TP.
Could it be that TP is the only ward that you can contest and not step onto the toes of another opposition party?
All the wards are the same. Pink card Singaporeans will be voting for you. LKY is not special. He is now just a backbencher. Repeat that slowly to yourself. Ah Kong. Is. Just. A. Backbencher. The difference between ah kong and minister without portfolio is the "minister" part.
So here's the plan. In 2016, somebody goes in and gets 45%. In 2021, either LKY will still be standing for TP or he won't be. If he is, the good people of TP should do him a favour and enable him to enjoy a well deserved retirement.
You guys must be crazy if you think LKY will be standing in 2016.
He probably will be dead by then....even if not he'll be 92/93 years old!
Whether he's dead or not, come 2016 all wards will he fair game.
I'm only afraid LKY will kick the bucket a few months before GE and they send in the grandson to TP....sympathy/sentimental votes then cannot be discounted.
He probably will be dead by then....even if not he'll be 92/93 years old!
Whether he's dead or not, come 2016 all wards will he fair game.
I'm only afraid LKY will kick the bucket a few months before GE and they send in the grandson to TP....sympathy/sentimental votes then cannot be discounted.
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Tanwp got this right. SDP is not going to send their best team but as a political party and for profile and branding, they have little choice but pick what is leftover. There is a need to fill the aspiration of party members who want to contest but cannot make it to the A or B Team.
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