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FHBH12

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Good point. :smile: belgravia villa DST 2.5m
tebrau DST 250K.

Just view the Belgravia villa website. It is super dense and each unit's land area is smaller (around 20x70). However the built-up area is more (from 3520 sqft) because they are stacked up. Essentially you are looking into the next unit. Each unit is from S$3.0 mil :eek: Definitely the price of landed properties in JB has plenty of space to move up. Location-wise it is better because of better security. Only if there is less crime in JB.

http://belgravia-villa.com.sg/pricing/

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FHBH12

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TV

IOI is launching Marina Cover. That would be a good estimate for the demand at Tebrau . Actually the govt have to improve the links into Permas . Only 1 road in as far as I am aware.

Marina Cove is condo right. I'm only interested in freehold G&G landed in southern JB :p
 

malpaso

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Just view the Belgravia villa website. It is super dense and each unit's land area is smaller (around 20x70). However the built-up area is more (from 3520 sqft) because they are stacked up. Essentially you are looking into the next unit. Each unit is from S$3.0 mil :eek: Definitely the price of landed properties in JB has plenty of space to move up. Location-wise it is better because of better security. Only if there is less crime in JB.

http://belgravia-villa.com.sg/pricing/

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i already calculated the density two weeks ago :smile:
belgravia - about 14 unit/acre

my SEC - 10.5 unit/acre

but i think location wise, belgravia is much better :smile: how much better? 10x better.
 

alnine

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Just view the Belgravia villa website. It is super dense and each unit's land area is smaller (around 20x70). However the built-up area is more (from 3520 sqft) because they are stacked up. Essentially you are looking into the next unit. Each unit is from S$3.0 mil :eek: Definitely the price of landed properties in JB has plenty of space to move up. Location-wise it is better because of better security. Only if there is less crime in JB.

http://belgravia-villa.com.sg/pricing/

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I also think there is room to increase in Johor but by how much and which are the good areas, folks need to research and do the home work and due deligence. For Singaporeans have to consider the politices and inter country relationship.

If I am able to afford a 3M B Villas, I will not think of moving to a palace in JB. I may buy a few units in JB for investment but unlikely to live.
 

ginfreely

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yo.. FYI
my info was from the salesgirl at johor land office
on ma'sia day sep 16
she gave me a brochure
acerola 2 DST
indicative 580K
"launch sometime end of the year.. akan datang"
long queue expected.

so... maybe still have ah. :smile:

Yeah was told they will launch 40 more units at end of year. Btw the sale person also said other than that the rest all have been sold, including bumi lots, so no need bumi release. Wow first time heard bumi lots all sold, so good..
 

ginfreely

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that's why i regret lah!!

What to do, it is fated lah..nevermind, Jb property price sure go up when Mrt roll into Jb. Just need to wait till 2018 or later. Bet that any unsound policy that would crash the market should reverse out by then..
 

cow138

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You just cannot compare one to one with Singapore landed properties.

The prices in Singapore is out of this world liao . Bungalows just opposite Senibong cove at Sembawang is asking for 7 million leasehold 99 years.
 

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From today Malaysian edition of the business times

Better connectivity in Iskandar

TRANSPORTATION BLUEPRINT: Complete road and railway networks to transform region, enhance competitiveness
The implementation of the Transportation Blueprint (2010-2030) for Iskandar Malaysia in Johor will help to transform the region into a bustling business district and enhance its global competitiveness.

Plans for Iskandar include a regional rail transit commuter system connecting Nusajaya, Kulaijaya, Johor Baru and Pasir Gudang using the existing KTM rail infrastructure; inter-city
lines; the proposed rail transit system (RTS) officlinking
Johor Baru and Singapore; and the high speed rail (HSR) from Kuala Lumpur to Singapore.

“Proper railway connectivity like RTS and HSR will attract new domestic and foreign investments,” said Iskandar Regional Development Authority (IRDA) head of projects and project management office Mohamad Sa’elal.


Iskandar has attracted RM118.93 billion in total investments since its inception in 2006, and 66 per cent were domestic-driven.

The blueprint includes forming an integrated transit terminal network to link major towns and gateway terminals; developing a bus rapid transit system linking Johor Baru with Skudai,
Johor Jaya and Nusajaya; and providing suburban feeder bus services.

It also looks at improvements to taxi services and a demand-responsive transport system; water taxis, ferries and cruise boats; and school bus zoning, said Mohamad.

He said the blueprint aims to encourage use of non-motorist transport, smart development and green technology to reduce carbon emission.

It will improve public transport modal split from 18 per cent currently to 50 per cent by 2030 and optimise road network and reduce car dependency from 500 cars to 300 cars for every 1,000 population, he said.

“We expect an increase in tourism and leisure activities. Real estate development will also mushroom and the construction sector will be busy,” Mohamad said.


IRDA has formed Perbadanan Pengangkutan Awam Iskandar Malaysia to spearhead the implementation of projects based on approved
plans.
 

cow138

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Wow. Looks like the govt is really serious about transforming Johor into the next ShenZhen. Infrastructure improvements will only be good for property in Johor. But some of the timeline seems quite loose. 2030? That's pretty far out. Usually infrastructure should be expedite first correct?
 

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Wow. Looks like the govt is really serious about transforming Johor into the next ShenZhen. Infrastructure improvements will only be good for property in Johor. But some of the timeline seems quite loose. 2030? That's pretty far out. Usually infrastructure should be expedite first correct?

Only 15 more years. Not that long. Well Before then all the major infrastructure should be up and running.
 

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You just cannot compare one to one with Singapore landed properties.

The prices in Singapore is out of this world liao . Bungalows just opposite Senibong cove at Sembawang is asking for 7 million leasehold 99 years.

With a big part of the demand for properties in Iskandar(especially high-end ones nearer to Sg and near Iskandar's own CBDs) coming from Sg, we don't need to predict how successful Iskandar will be economically in order to predict how high the property prices will hit. With the demand part being true and is in fact a reality, we can safely predict Iskandar's future average price of high-end properties(again, those nearer to Sg and near Iskandar's own CBDs) simply by using a very reasonable percentage of Sg's cheapest properties(those 99 years properties nearest to Tuas, Sembawang, Loyang near Changi etc). I'll say that this very reasonable percentage is 40%.

E.g, Present price of a high-end Freehold 'landed' property in Iskandar(near Sg and near one of Iskandar's CBDs) is just around 25% to 30% of Sg's cheapest 'landed' property. There is still a reasonable room for appreciation of around 50% for such a property in Iskandar. Even if Sg's prices drop across the board by 20%, present price of such a property in Iskandar is still lower than 40% of Sg's cheapest. So such a prediction is already very conservation and not aggressive. Because we are comparing;
- Iskandar's High-end landed properties(superb living environment) to Sg's low-end landed properties(lousy environment).
- Iskandar's Freehold to Sg's 99 years.

Let's say in the near future(say 2015-2016) when just more amenities are up - Even if you are not buying and won't even consider buying Iskandar's High-end Freehold landed properties which are so near to Sg and also right beside one of Iskandar's own CBD at just 40% of Sg's cheapest 99 years landed properties, rest assure that there are many many others in Sg who will buy(and these buyers are mostly relatively well to do ones in Sg, how can a poor chap afford a high-end terrace in Iskandar at RM2mil? Let alone those bungalows with swimming pools which will be RM6mil.)

Of course there are many negative factors which can affect overall demand and prices - Like crisis, new policies, oversupply etc etc. Nobody can tell you that any investment in this world is a sure win(100%), even if you place your money in a bank's savings account, that bank can also close down. You're lucky if you yourself 'like' Iskandar and don't mind getting a luxury property there for own retirement plan, because there isn't much risk to talk about if you are buying for own retirement, any future appreciation(which is a highly possible outcome) will be a bonus.
 
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cow138

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I agree with your assessment. Definitely opportunities are there in Johor.

Just not enough bullets.. haha.
 

RedsYNWA

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Buy for own stay, and rent out SG properties. This is the safest route, and cant go much wrong really.

Flipping condos/landed/commercials etc will carry their own risks, and one should have a gd assessment of the market, before venturing in.
 

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Singapore Looks Below for More Room
By CALVIN YANG

SINGAPORE — Singapore, with a little less land mass than New York City, is running out of room for its 5.4 million people.

The city-state has built upward — with apartment buildings reaching as high as 70 stories — reclaimed underused properties for housing and pushed out coastlines for more usable land.

But as one of the world’s most crowded cities, and with projections for 1.5 million more people in the next 15 years, Singapore’s options are as limited as its space.

So Singapore is considering a novel solution: building underground to create an extensive, interconnected city, with shopping malls, transportation hubs, public spaces, pedestrian links and even cycling lanes.

“Singapore is small, and whether we have 6.9 million or not, there is always a need to find new land space,” said Zhao Zhiye, the interim director of the Nanyang Center for Underground Space at Nanyang Technological University. “The utilization of underground space is one option for Singapore.”

Height restrictions imposed on areas around air bases and airports have prevented developers from building taller projects. And there is a limit to how much land can be reclaimed from the ocean — so far it accounts for a fifth of Singapore’s space but it is vulnerable to rising sea levels caused by climate change.

The squeeze has led to the closing of several old estates and military camps to make way for residential and industrial developments.

Building underground is not new in Singapore. About 12 kilometers, or eight miles, of expressways and about 80 kilometers of transit lines are below ground. Drainage systems and utility tunnels are common features beneath the urban landscape.

Now Singapore is going further, beginning work on a huge underground oil bunker called Jurong Rock Caverns. When this is completed, it will free about 150 acres of land, an area equivalent to six petrochemical plants.

Another project on the drawing board is the Underground Science City, with 40 interconnected caverns for data centers and research and development labs that would support the biomedical and life sciences industries. The science center, with an estimated 50 acres to be 30 stories below a science park in western Singapore, would house as many as 4,200 scientists and researchers.

“A lot of facilities can go underground if you fully utilize the underground space,” Dr. Zhao said. “In the beginning there might be a psychological issue, but as long as we have proper lighting and proper ventilation, gradually people can overcome the idea of working and living underground.”

Subterranean projects can be three to four times as costly as surface projects because of higher construction costs and the need for extensive soil investigations.

In a recent blog post, Khaw Boon Wan, Singapore’s minister for national development, pointed to extensive pedestrian passageways and shopping malls in Japan and Canada.

He cited the possibilities in Singapore “of creating underground transport hubs, pedestrian links, cycling lanes, utility plants, storage and research facilities, industrial uses, shopping areas and other public spaces here.”

“The earlier we begin this process, the faster we will learn and the easier it would be for us to realize these plans,” he said.

But the idea of working and living underground has met with some skepticism from the public.

“Over the years, many of us have relocated from kampongs to high-rise living in government flats,” said Joseph Tan, 69, a retired accountant, referring to traditional Malay villages. “Just when we have finally adjusted to living in these residential buildings, there are plans for us to live below ground. At my age, I just hope to live comfortably.”

David Ong, a former teacher, said the older generation might not feel at ease with the concept of subterranean living, partly out of superstition.

“Why are the living going underground?” he asked. “Only the dead return to the ground.”

The trend toward burying infrastructure has led city planners to think grandly, as they consider whether more activities could occur below ground. Some projects, like the excavation of underground tunnels and Jurong Rock Caverns, are already in full swing.

At the city’s two oldest universities, Nanyang and the National University of Singapore, studies have identified suitable areas to build sports facilities, libraries and lecture theaters below ground. According to researchers from both institutions, students may one day swim in an underground pool or watch a film in a subterranean theater.

But even with the current projects, subterranean development in Singapore is still in its early stages.

Dr. Zhao, one of the researchers behind Nanyang’s study on underground development, said extensive studies were needed.

“It is a big investment if we really want to go underground, and it requires comprehensive studies and careful planning,” he added. “At the moment we manage fine, but if there is a need for space in future, we know that there is the option of going underground.”
"More reason to go North"
 

Frodo

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With a big part of the demand for properties in Iskandar(especially high-end ones nearer to Sg and near Iskandar's own CBDs) coming from Sg, we don't need to predict how successful Iskandar will be economically in order to predict how high the property prices will hit. With the demand part being true and is in fact a reality, we can safely predict Iskandar's future average price of high-end properties(again, those nearer to Sg and near Iskandar's own CBDs) simply by using a very reasonable percentage of Sg's cheapest properties(those 99 years properties nearest to Tuas, Sembawang, Loyang near Changi etc). I'll say that this very reasonable percentage is 40%.

E.g, Present price of a high-end Freehold 'landed' property in Iskandar(near Sg and near one of Iskandar's CBDs) is just around 25% to 30% of Sg's cheapest 'landed' property. There is still a reasonable room for appreciation of around 50% for such a property in Iskandar. Even if Sg's prices drop across the board by 20%, present price of such a property in Iskandar is still lower than 40% of Sg's cheapest. So such a prediction is already very conservation and not aggressive. Because we are comparing;
- Iskandar's High-end landed properties(superb living environment) to Sg's low-end landed properties(lousy environment).
- Iskandar's Freehold to Sg's 99 years.

Let's say in the near future(say 2015-2016) when just more amenities are up - Even if you are not buying and won't even consider buying Iskandar's High-end Freehold landed properties which are so near to Sg and also right beside one of Iskandar's own CBD at just 40% of Sg's cheapest 99 years landed properties, rest assure that there are many many others in Sg who will buy(and these buyers are mostly relatively well to do ones in Sg, how can a poor chap afford a high-end terrace in Iskandar at RM2mil? Let alone those bungalows with swimming pools which will be RM6mil.)

Of course there are many negative factors which can affect overall demand and prices - Like crisis, new policies, oversupply etc etc. Nobody can tell you that any investment in this world is a sure win(100%), even if you place your money in a bank's savings account, that bank can also close down. You're lucky if you yourself 'like' Iskandar and don't mind getting a luxury property there for own retirement plan, because there isn't much risk to talk about if you are buying for own retirement, any future appreciation(which is a highly possible outcome) will be a bonus.

What is your idea of near Singapore or near Iskandar CBD? Would a radius of 20km from CIQ be considered such?
 

Frodo

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I did use a radius.

2km.

Anything more is to me "not desirable".

That's like living within KSL or Taman Sentosa as your "boundary circle?" But then there's not much G&G developments in terms of landed, mainly condos?
 
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