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Chitchat Issue of nurses wearing tudung discussed 6 months ago: Shanmugam

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Everyday 24/7 kpkb about Malay race this and tat. One hand said like this. On the other hand said like tat. Hans, can make up ur mind? :thumbsdown:
On the contrary, I’ve been stating the same issues. Perhaps you need more clarity in understanding.
My point is that moslems place themselves at such a high, (holy) place; they think they are right, all other religion are wrong. And yet, there are many wrong things happening right now with them, even amongst their own family members. Their values/morals/lack of discernment/accountability in doing wrong from right stems mainly from the current fundamental of Islam.
 

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Just a drop in the ocean, yet capable to always be at the front page of the news in:
1. Killing/torturing/molesting their children
2. Torturing disabled ppl that went to them for help until near death
3. Being the majority race in unhealthy habits like drug consuming(just go to Bedok police station and see the main skin colour coming in for urine tests)
4. Looking and acting holy guacamole in hijab, yet embezzled little children’s money, etc...
Dude its the 80/20 rule. 20 percent of the popn gives 80 percent of the problems. For mudslimes they are 15percent of the population but still ........
 

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On the contrary, I’ve been stating the same issues. Perhaps you need more clarity in understanding.
My point is that moslems place themselves at such a high, (holy) place; they think they are right, all other religion are wrong. And yet, there are many wrong things happening right now with them, even amongst their own family members. Their values/morals/lack of discernment/accountability in doing wrong from right stems mainly from the current fundamental of Islam.

Ev believer in religion will think theirs is the right n holy one. Just like u a xtian. Pretty sure u will die die said ur religion the only true n holy one. All xtians are good. Well behave. No cheat. No sin. No incest. Only Malay/Muslims r evil n hypocrites. LOL!
 

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SDP’s chief Chee Soon Juan questions the lack of communication among PAP ministers over tudung issue
by The Online Citizen
30/03/2021
in Current Affairs
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SDP’s chief Chee Soon Juan questions the lack of communication among PAP ministers over tudung issue


In regards to the latest issue of allowing nurses to don tudung at their workplace, Singapore Democratic Party’s (SDP) chief Chee Soon Juan took to Facebook on Monday (29 March) to highlight the lack of communication among People’s Action Party (PAP) ministers.
Dr Chee was referring to the recent speeches made by ministers during the Committee of Supply debate in Parliament earlier this month.
It all started when Aljunied GRC and Workers’ Party Member of Parliament (MP) Faisal Manap asked the Government on 8 March whether it would reevaluate its ban on the religious headgear for women working in uniformed services, stating that the rule has prevented many Muslim women from taking up such roles.
Allowing nurses to wear the hijab at work, thus, could expand the local pool of nurses, he illustrated.
As a response, Minister-in-charge of Muslim Affairs Masagos Zulkifli reiterated the Singapore government’s secular stance on the issue of allowing Muslim women to wear the tudung in uniformed professions such as nursing and the police force.
Further, Mr Masagos went on to say that any discussion on such matters should be held behind closed doors because these issues were delicate and “sensitive”.
He also went on to say that allowing the donning of the tudung “would introduce a very visible religious marker that identifies every tudung-wearing female nurse or uniformed officer as a Muslim”.
“This has significant implications: We do not want patients to prefer or not prefer to be served by a Muslim nurse, nor do we want people to think that public security is being enforced by a Muslim or non-Muslim police officer. This is what makes the decision difficult and sensitive,” said Mr Masagos.
Beyond that, Minister in the Prime Minister’s Office, Dr Maliki Osman, cited Islamic scholars who have advised Muslims to make the appropriate adjustments while staying true to their faith in a pluralistic society.
He said, “We must avoid situations like in other countries where issues of religious expression take centre stage and become a divisive matter and put certain groups under the spotlight.”
However, a few weeks later, Law and Home Affairs Minister K Shanmugam come forward to say that the Government might allow nurses to wear tudung at work, contradicting the earlier statements made by the Muslim politicians.
Mr Shanmugan had said that this was noted in a closed-door session with senior religious leaders and members of the Religious Rehabilitation Group (RRG) in August last year.

Mr Shanmugan said about the August discussion, “I told you very frankly: We can see good reasons why nurses should be allowed to wear tudung if they choose to do so. I said this was being discussed internally. And after that, our view is, there is likely to be a change and we are also consulting with the community before we make a change.”
“When the discussions are completed, the government will announce its decision,” he added.
Dr Chee questions the flip-flopping statements
Apart from statements made by Mr Masagos and Dr Maliki, what puzzled the SDP’s chief even more is Mr Shanmugam’s revelation that nurses might be allowed to wear a tudung at work after completing a closed-door discussion with senior religious leaders six months earlier.
“Surprising as Mr Shanmugam’s announcement was, it wasn’t the most eyebrow-raising fact. What stood out like an arthritic thumb that just got whacked by a hammer was his revelation that discussion about the govt’s change of heart had been going on for the last half-a-year,” Dr Chee stated.
As such, Dr Chee said this could mean two things – one would be both Mr Masagos and Dr Maliki were not aware of such a discussion, or two, they were aware of what was happening, which then brings to the question why they didn’t mention this in Parliament but allowed Mr Shanmugam to clarify this later on.
“One, Mr Masagos and Dr Maliki were not privy to such discussion or thinking. Question is: (A big fat) Why? They were Muslim ministers in-charge of matters Muslim, were they not?
Two, both of them DID know what was going on. If this is the case, why did they say what they said in Parliament and not tell the public what Mr Shanmugam subsequently let on?”
Dr Chee also went on to wonder if Mr Masgos and Mr Shanmugam were not in the same chat group to know what is happening on this matter.
“Was Masagos not alerted that Shanmugam would, at some point, tell S’pore that the govt would likely relent on its current position (the heads-up would have been helpful because Masagos could have tempered his speech in Parliament)?
“And, curiously, why was it left to Shanmugam to inform the public when Masagos is the Muslim minister?” asked the opposition party leader.
He also stated that the whole event is “rather bizarre”, but was not surprised given the past incidents involving the Government’s flip-flopping comments such as Minister of Foreign Affair Vivian Balakrishnan’s revelation that TraceTogether data can be used for police investigations as well as contractors “erroneously” cleared substantial green spaces of Kranji forest.
“The whole thing seems rather bizarre. But then again why should it? The mess over Dr Balakrishnan’s non-promise that the Trace Together data would strictly be accessed for Covid-related purposes only or the stranger-than-fiction explanation that Kranji forest was cut down “by mistake” should make it clear that bizarre is what S’poreans have come to expect from the current set of ministers,” Dr Chee concluded.

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Tudung is the new fashion. Chinese also can wear. Know who she is? Got interesting story......


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THE HONOURED INDUCTEES TO THE SINGAPORE WOMEN’S HALL OF FAME



Jackie Yi-Ru Ying

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Award-winning researcher in nanotechnology



Having made her mark as one of the university’s youngest full Professors at 35, Jackie Ying could have continued her stellar career at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT), where she had already been teaching for more than a decade.

Nevertheless, in 2003, she gave that up. Jackie, a former student of Raffles Girls’ School (RGS), returned to Singapore to help start the Institute of Bioengineering and Nanotechnology (IBN), one of the key research institutions set up by the government to fulfil Singapore’s ambitions in biomedical sciences as a new pillar of the economy.
Since then, Jackie, who earned her doctorate in chemical engineering from Princeton, has been the executive director of IBN, where she is in charge of over 160 scientists and students as they try to find ways to apply nanotechnology in science and the environment. With her at the helm, the IBN has achieved an active portfolio of over 505 patents and patent applications.
She herself has more than 140 patents granted or pending and some 320 papers published, and she has presented more than 370 lectures at international conferences.
Jackie has served on the advisory boards of several start-up companies, is a member of the editorial board of 28 scientific journals, and is the editor-in-chief of Nano Today. The recipient of many awards and honours, she is highly regarded among her peers in her field.
For example, she was the youngest member of the German Academy of Sciences Leopoldina; she was also one of the eight women in a list of 100 Engineers of the Modern Era, an honour roll compiled by the American Institute of Chemical Engineers.
Jackie came to Singapore in 1973 when her father was appointed senior lecturer in Chinese literature at the then Nanyang University. The family moved to New York when she was 15. Jackie went reluctantly as she had grown up in Singapore and had developed a strong affinity with the place.
The Taiwan-born Muslim convert is active within the community of her chosen religion. She is one of the mentors under Mendaki’s Project Protégé, mentoring and inspiring Muslim youths keen on furthering themselves in science, just as she herself was similarly inspired by her RGS teachers.
 

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Their values/morals/lack of discernment/accountability in doing wrong from right stems mainly from the current fundamental of Islam.

Ur ah neh together with cheena also charged with sexual crimes.

21-year-old Indian charged with rape of girl in Singapore

Chinnaiah Karthik was arrested on May 5, a day after he allegedly attacked the 23-year-old girl near the Kranji War Memorial in northern Singapore, The Straits Times reported.

If convicted, he faces at least 12 strokes of cane and a jail term of between eight and 20 years.

Chinnaiah allegedly approached her in Turf Club Avenue around 1.30 AM, the report said.

She tried to defend herself but was overpowered by the man, who dragged her into a forested area between the Singapore Turf Club and Kranji War Memorial and raped her, according to the newspaper.

Chinnaiah was identified from the surveillance footage of the area, including from a camera attached to a nearby lamp post.
 

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I do not need to dig for infos on a hijab Convert that does not even know of my existence. I can just use the example closest to me that I see on a daily basis. My hijab wearing 59yr old neighbour. She wears elaborate hijab during daytime; at night and dawn, she roams the corridor braless n peeped into people’s house, and put nasty things in front of neighbours door that she dislikes(most times for no valid, sane reasoning). Since she wore such elaborate hijab at daytime, she must be a really good, godly moslem, right?
WRONG.
She has been harassing/peeping jealously at her pretty, single female neighbour bcoz she saw that neighbour’s brother beat that pretty neighbour up n fractured that lady’s rib cage(the brother is a spoilt,rotten, only son brought up to think it is ok to beat up women).
A godly woman would feel pity, not this Hijabi. Instead, she decided that the pretty neighbour is a gd bully target n fed a bizarre beauty competition inside her crazy head even though her face looks like a turd if compared to the pretty neighbour.
What do people do when they feel desperately unhappy with themselves bcoz they irrationally compare themselves to a pretty woman like amber heard, or just simply very unhappy at being themselves?
They look for flaws, any flaws- flaws associated to turd even though their own turd is most likely more smelly/bigger especially with this level of unhappiness and discomfort at being themselves.
Only the lowliest of the LOW type of human being wd jump in n bully others mirroring human flaws that they themselves have.
This turdfaced hijabi neighbour started to call pretty neighbour turd, she even went as far as to place cat turd in front of pretty neighbour’s house. Besides this, she also placed her used face mask(from her super smelly mouth-health hazard), and later on put bed bugs from her house into the pretty neighbour’s house.
The bed bugs caused a serious health hazard to pretty neighbour’s house and now her loved one is terminally ill n dying bcoz of ingesting the pest control products used to get rid of the bed bugs.
This is just one example, there are many other Hijabis pretending to be holy with the blackest of black hearts that I know in real life.
Life is fleeting, life is short. It is not about what you wear/skin colour/religion, it is about who you are inside. How you impact others.
 
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This so called Jackie Ying should be thankful she's back in Sinkapor... If she's still in the States, she'll kena double whammy for hate crime there.. Firstly for being Asian n secondly for wearing the TUDUNG!
 

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Dude its the 80/20 rule. 20 percent of the popn gives 80 percent of the problems. For mudslimes they are 15percent of the population but still ........
Actually, only problem created by minorities are highlighted and considered bad. But non malays who default on huge loans, cheat in stock market, launder illegal money are highly regarded by chinese. Astute and shrewed.
 

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Jackie came to Singapore in 1973 when her father was appointed senior lecturer in Chinese literature at the then Nanyang University. The family moved to New York when she was 15. Jackie went reluctantly as she had grown up in Singapore and had developed a strong affinity with the place.
The Taiwan-born Muslim convert is active within the community of her chosen religion. She is one of the mentors under Mendaki’s Project Protégé, mentoring and inspiring Muslim youths
All that smartness disappears the moment they idol worship.
 

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Actually, only problem created by minorities are highlighted and considered bad. But non malays who default on huge loans, cheat in stock market, launder illegal money are highly regarded by chinese. Astute and shrewed.
That is pertaining to business.
Let’s talk about moslems’ human relationships, sister to sister, brother to sister, father to daughter, mother to daughter, and trust issues especially when the vulnerables seek them out.
Moslems claim their religion is peaceful, loving, righteous.
And yet, what we are seeing amongst them is appalling now. Jealousy, envy, supreme arrogance have blunt up their ability to be humane and kind to others.
When they do something kind, it will be put on display, not out of sincerity.
 

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Actually, only problem created by minorities are highlighted and considered bad. But non malays who default on huge loans, cheat in stock market, launder illegal money are highly regarded by chinese. Astute and shrewed.
Yes...m&ds are soo honest..
The 1MDB Board's Denials Raise More Questions Than Answers - Again
The 1MDB Board's  Denials Raise More Questions Than Answers - Again

The Malaysian Government, which owns 1MDB, can hardly complain at the guffaws of scepticism that greeted its latest attempt to close down a growing row about perceived misappropriations from settlements with the fund – by issuing a statement from the Board of Directors of that company.
“All proceeds from the 1MDB’s asset recovery efforts including any future settlements have been or will be deposited into the Trust Account” the statement read, adding that the company’s legal representatives “are remunerated based on a pre-agreed time cost, and not based on commission or a percentage of the value of settlements, or assets recovered.”
The move, which smacks of considerable desperation, was clearly designed to counter accusations that have led to a series of police reports and counter reports, by political representatives on the one hand and 1MDB’s private counsel on the other, over allegations that huge commissions are being siphoned out of the multi billion dollar settlements by the company to the ultimate benefit of the governing Bersatu’s election coffers.
This is exactly what happened during the original 1MDB scandal of course, under Najib Razak. And at that time several similar statements were issued by government controlled entities such as the very same 1MDB board, the then Attorney General and even the MACC to assure critics and the public at large that the fund’s accounts were fine and no money whatsoever had gone missing.
It is therefore fair to say that this method of reassurance is somewhat discredited in the eyes of the Malaysian public, as is the Board of Directors of 1MDB (although the personnel are changed).
Few will surely forget how previous members of the same 1MDB Board just days after the GE14 election admitted the company was broke after all, after having maintained a fiction on behalf of the previous Minister of Finance (Najib) and his government that all was well for several years.
“1Malaysia Development Bhd (1MDB) is insolvent and unable to repay its debts, two of the company’s directors have told the Finance Ministry.
The revelation was made at a meeting between the Finance Ministry and 1MDB directors Datuk Norazman Ayob and Datuk Kamal Mohd Ali.
“The directors of 1MDB confirmed that 1MDB was insolvent and unable to repay its debts,” [The Star]
Later the new Finance Minister quoted the same Datuk Kamal Mohd Ali as having admitted the 1MDB investments that were being purported as collateral for its debts were “scams”:
As much as RM9.8 billion worth of investment units parked abroad by 1Malaysia Development Berhad (1MDB) has been revealed to be nothing more than a “scam”, Finance Minister Lim Guan Eng said today.
He said 1MDB director Datuk Kamal Mohd Ali had told his ministry as much during a closed-door briefing earlier while relating a dispute between the board and the sovereign investment fund’s management….. [Malay Mail May 2018]
The personnel of the 1MDB board was changed under the PH government, which declared that going forward the administration of the fund would be conducted appropriately and transparently as every effort was made to recoup the stolen cash and gain proper recompense from those implicated in the fraud, including Goldman Sachs, IPIC, AmBank, Deloitte and others.
The reclaimed money would indeed all be deposited in an open Trust Account to repay debts, which was set up by the now deposed elected government. This is where the 1MDB Board claim the recent cash settlements have gone.
However, the elected government was pushed aside by the present coup coalition comprising many of the actors who orchestrated and allowed 1MDB to purloin the state to fill their party coffers over many years.
Moreover, the new members of the 1MDB Board are far from independent, being civil servants who work for the very Finance Ministry that owns the fund and which now stands accused of filching funds once more by disaffected members of their own coalition.
The names supposedly behind the statement by the 1MDB board

The names supposedly behind the statement by the 1MDB board
The critics include the former UMNO Supreme Council Member Lokman Adam, who claimed RM500 million was stolen from the Goldman Sachs settlement using bogus legal commissions as a guise, and an assemblyman Sallehudin Amiruddin who filed a police report.
Lawyer Rosli Dahlan, lead counsel for 1MDB (of whom more later), has filed his own police report against the pair citing the newly minted ‘Fake News’ law amongst others to shut his critics up on grounds of ‘malicious slander’.
Enter, stage left, the statement by the 1MDB board. How reassuring is it supposed to be? The Chairman of the Board is Dato Asri bin Hamden, a senior civil servant at the Ministry of Finance, effectively a top target of the allegations.
As the former 1MDB political sleuth who then under the previous Finance Minister set up the Trust Fund for reparations, Tony Pua, has subsequently commented why not just apply the transparency that was established at the start of the process by the previous government and allow a proper scrutiny of all the 1MDB settlements by bodies such as the Public Accounts Committee?
This, rather than statements by non-independent actors appointed to the Board would settle concerns reasons Pua, threatening that by ignoring such proper procedures the present ‘PM8′ is now himself headed down the same path as his predecessor and former boss Najib, currently in the dock over 1MDB!
Secrecy Demanded By Others!
However, the PN government insist they are bound by confidentiality clauses not of their own making but demanded by the parties with whom they are concluding their series of quick-fix settlements. It is this, they claim, that has forced them to throw a veil of secrecy over exactly what has happened to 1MDBs repatriated money.
Indeed, the PAS law minister Takiyuddin Hassan could not have been more specific at the time of the settlement with Goldman Sachs last year, stating that it was not the Malaysian side that wanted all the secrecy but rather the US bank who had insisted on a so-called Non Disclosure Agreement – thereby (according to Takiyuddin) forcing 1MDB to conceal its dealings from the prying eyes of the PAC!
This leaves some important questions to be asked of Goldman Sachs. Firstly, given these claims by Malaysia, did the bank disclose these alleged secrecy clauses to the SEC to whom it is obliged to report such a settlement and secondly how could such alleged secrecy over its negotiated commitments to 1MDB square with its plain obligations of transparency to shareholders?
And different questions arise for the Malaysian government. Namely, whatever the alleged secrecy clauses contained in the negotiations why would these affect transparency regarding the 1MDB side of the deal, namely to allow confirmation that the full amount agreed arrived in the trust account and whether fees were paid out of these reparations or any of the other settlements?
Given the baffling refusal of 1MDB to show its books, the odd excuse of Takiyuddin and the so far deafening silence of Goldman Sachs over the entire row thundering in Malaysia Sarawak Report suggests another more potentially reassuring party to approach for comment.
Time For PWC To Confirm the Claim By The Board
In a trumpeted move at the time, the PH government appointed the global accountancy firm PWC to act as the highly paid actual managers of 1MDB, under a management agreement put in place in 2018. The agreement means that the day to day running of 1MDB is in the hands of an Executive Committee chaired by one Mohammad Faiz Azmi:
The appointment of Datuk Mohammad Faiz Azmi as the chairman of the executive committee is part of the scope and services provided by PricewaterhouseCoopers Advisory Services Sdn Bhd (PwC) to 1Malaysia Development Bhd (1MDB).
In a statement issued on Tuesday it said PwC is assisting the board and the exco in recovering 1MDB’s assets and in managing the company’s debt [The Star]
Since Faiz Azmi is the Executive Chairman of Pricewaterhouse Cooper in Malaysia and is so intimately involved in the very process of recovering 1MDB’s assets and recovering its debt it is surely a statement from him that Malaysians should be looking for in support of the assurances of the Board?
As the only remaining firm out of the ‘big four’ not to be tarnished by any dirty dealings with 1MDB in the past, PWC certainly has a prized reputation for integrity that it will wish to keep sound. It is at this very moment processing the fine played by its rival Deloitte for failing in such duties.
So, rather than expecting Malaysian’s to rely on a statement from the appointed civil servants on the Board of 1MDB, let them hear confirmation from the accountancy firm PWC, thereby putting its reputation on the line to say that every single dollar of the $2.5 billion obtained from Goldman Sachs and the further settlements has been fully paid into the 1MDB Trust Fund and that no fees or commissions have been taken out of it.
PWC can then also stake its reputation on assuring that although the entire management and contents of the fund have now been unaccountably made secret by the PN government, their firm can assure the public and government critics that not a penny has been misappropriated.
Conflicts Of Interest?
This entire situation only goes towards the established maxim that you must not only do the right thing but be seen to be doing the right thing, which is why transparency matters and appearances of conflict of interest should be avoided in public business.
It is the failure to acknowledge this in the appointment of the independent counsel placed in charge of the 1MDB quick-fix settlement programme shortly after PN seized office that lies at the heart of so much mistrust.
Mr Rosli Dahlan has furiously protested at accusations that he is known to be close to PM Muhyiddin and is therefore believed to have been appointed to take over the 1MDB negotiations for that reason.
However, as cited in the recent book by former AG Tommy Thomas, his close relationship to the Bersatu power broker has been so well known it even marked him out as a candidate for AG in 2018. Rosli has denied he coverts the role in his police report.
Yet his longstanding role as the personal lawyer to the present prime minister, emerging as his legal supporter shortly after Muhyiddin was fired as deputy prime minister by Najib, does not sit easily with his swift appointment as 1MDB’s chief negotiator almost the moment ‘PM8′ took office. The appointment was not scrutinised as Parliament was not sitting.
Rosli, exited his previous law firm and set up his own partnership just weeks before the so-called Sheraton move which formed the culmination of weeks of plotting to upturn the Harapan government thanks to defections such as those of Muhyiddin himself. He continues to represent the prime minister in private cases, such as suits for libel, whilst at the same time acting in his high profile role for 1MDB as outside counsel, leading on bringing settlements to a close as soon as possible.
Without doubt there are few individuals that PM Muhyiddin trusts more than this legal eagle. However, in consequence, how much trust can others feel in his independence in that role?
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That is pertaining to business.
Let’s talk about moslems’ human relationships, sister to sister, brother to sister, father to daughter, mother to daughter, and trust issues especially when the vulnerables seek them out.
Moslems claim their religion is peaceful, loving, righteous.
And yet, what we are seeing amongst them is appalling now. Jealousy, envy, supreme arrogance have blunt up their ability to be humane and kind to others.
When they do something kind, it will be put on display, not out of sincerity.

U can go on rantg away like an old man also no point. I can throw back same question to u. Look at ur cheena christians flock. No sin? No crime? No incest? No backstabbg? Ev sunday praise the Lord, no? Live concert praising the Lord....then the rest is history. Is tat not hypocrite? LOL!
 
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Actually, only problem created by minorities are highlighted and considered bad. But non malays who default on huge loans, cheat in stock market, launder illegal money are highly regarded by chinese. Astute and shrewed.

I had mentioned many times no one race is perfect. But self denial Hans kip insistg only Malays r imperfect. I mean practically ev day u read news crime committed by cheena sinkies. Yday i posted 2 sexual crimes. Today one. Both committed by cheena sinkies. Lets wait for tom news.
 

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U can go on rantg away like an old man also no point. I can throw back same question to u. Look at ur cheena christians flock. No sin? No crime? No incest? No backstabbg? Ev sunday praise the Lord, no? Live concert praising the Lord....then the rest is history. Is tat not hypocrite? LOL!
Hardly any if compared to moslems, my dear.
That is bcoz God is in our hearts, we do not wear our religion.
 

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Hardly any if compared to moslems, my dear.
That is bcoz God is in our hearts, we do not wear our religion.

Wearg a cross. Tats ur religion. Tats showg off, sayang. Going hse to hse knockg on our doors, holdg bible...tats showg off. Preachg in hospiral...tats showg off.
 

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Wearg a cross. Tats ur religion. Tats showg off, sayang. Going hse to hse knockg on our doors, holdg bible...tats showg off. Preachg in hospiral...tats showg off.
At least we knocked on your doors politely, would u have preferred someone like the hijabi neighbour that puts bedbugs into people’s house come visit?

What’s wrong with visiting yr relative at the hospital? She needs company, as a decent human being, we empathized with her and visited her to keep her company. Especially since her jealous moslem relatives discarded her bcoz she ages like a fine wine bcoz of her gd heart.
 
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