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Asia has it's own Bermuda Triangle otherwise MH370 would have been found.
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Air Asia flight bound for Singapore lost contact with air traffic
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Because Bali bombing is still on our minds.
Asia has it's own Bermuda Triangle otherwise MH370 would have been found.
Plus mudland n Afghanistan n Pakistan. Those Asia Minor areas..
Most Indons are the most 'un-Muslim' Muslim people you'll find. They're happy, carefree, party people. Similar to Lebanese, Turks, Iranians and Moroccans.
The crazy fundie Muslims are only found in the Arabian peninsula.
Planes disappear from skies... there will be more to come...
no Aussies but Aussie sent a plane.
I love my country men.. They are very first world.
you are Aussie?
Debris in sea not related to missing jet
Following the press conference with the Indonesian vice president, Jusuf Kalla, the understanding is now that the debris spotted by an Australian search plane is unrelated to the missing AirAsia jet. This from AFP quotes him as saying:
“It has been checked and no sufficient evidence was found to confirm what was reported.”
Kalla said there were 15 ships and 30 aircraft searching the area. “It is not an easy operation in the sea, especially in bad weather like this,” he said.
Indonesian Air Force spokesman Hadi Tjahjanto told AFP the search was now focused on a patch of oil spotted off Belitung island in the Java Sea.
“We are making sure whether it was avtur (aviation fuel) from the AirAsia plane or from a vessel because that location is a shipping line,” he said.
Australia, Singapore and Malaysia have deployed planes and ships to assist in the Indonesian search for Flight QZ8501, which disappeared over the Java Sea on Sunday en route to Singapore.
Here is a updated map showing the area currently being searched by sea and by air.
Re: PAPsmearer's Air Asia flight disappearance theory
Papsmearer puts forward an interesting theory. There are uncanny similarities between this crash and Flight AF447.
I wonder if there was a build up of icing on the pitot tubes leading to incorrect air speeding readings which eventually led to a stall from which the pilots were unable to recover? But even if this was the case, how come the Captain didn't even have time to send out a MayDay call? At 34,000 ft, surely he (an experienced pilot) would have had time to correct a stall or send out a distress call?
My other question is why was it that other aircraft in the vicinity of OZ8501 managed to negotiate the same storms in the area.
My initial theory is that's a combination adverse thunderstorms, faulty pitot tubes (again) and pilot error.
Papsmearer puts forward an interesting theory. There are uncanny similarities between this crash and Flight AF447.
I wonder if there was a build up of icing on the pitot tubes leading to incorrect air speeding readings which eventually led to a stall from which the pilots were unable to recover? But even if this was the case, how come the Captain didn't even have time to send out a MayDay call? At 34,000 ft, surely he (an experienced pilot) would have had time to correct a stall or send out a distress call?
My other question is why was it that other aircraft in the vicinity of OZ8501 managed to negotiate the same storms in the area.
My initial theory is that's a combination adverse thunderstorms, faulty pitot tubes (again) and pilot error.
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Indonesia says missing AirAsia plane could be at 'bottom of sea'
By Gayatri Suroyo and Fergus Jensen
SURABAYA, Indonesia/JAKARTA Mon Dec 29, 2014 7:49am EST
(Reuters) - A missing AirAsia jet carrying 162 people could be at the bottom of the sea after it was presumed to have crashed off the Indonesian coast, an official said on Monday, as countries around Asia sent ships and planes to help in the search.
The Indonesia AirAsia plane, an Airbus A320-200, disappeared after its pilot failed to get permission to fly higher to avoid bad weather during a flight from the Indonesian city of Surabaya to Singapore on Sunday.
Flight QZ8501 did not issue a distress signal and disappeared over the Java Sea five minutes after requesting the change of course, which was refused because of heavy air traffic, officials said.
"Based on our coordinates, we expect it is in the sea, so for now (we think) it is on the sea floor," Soelistyo, head of Indonesia's search and rescue agency, told reporters when asked about the missing plane's likely location.
A senior Indonesian civil aviation source told Reuters that authorities had the flight's radar data and were waiting for search and rescue teams to find debris before they started their investigation into the cause.
Transport Minister Ignasius Jonan said the search was focused on an area 70 nautical miles square between the island of Belitung, off Sumatra, and Borneo island.
He said the sea was only 50 to 100 meters deep in the area, which would be a help in finding the plane. Ships were hunting around the clock but aircraft would suspend their operations at dusk, he added.
Air force spokesman Hadi Tjahjanto said searchers were checking a report of an oil slick off Belitung. Searchers had picked up an emergency locator signal off the south of Borneo but no subsequent signal was found, he said.
On board Flight QZ8501 were 155 Indonesians, three South Koreans, and one person each from Singapore, Malaysia and Britain. The co-pilot was French.
The disappearance caps a disastrous year for Malaysia-affiliated airlines, with Indonesia AirAsia 49 percent owned by Malaysia-based budget carrier AirAsia.
Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 went missing on March 8 on a trip from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing with 239 passengers and crew and has not been found. On July 17, the same airline's Flight MH17 was shot down over Ukraine, killing all 298 people on board.
The AirAsia group, including affiliates in Thailand, the Philippines and India, had not suffered a crash since its Malaysian budget operations began in 2002. The group's shares in Kuala Lumpur closed 8.5 percent lower.
ANGER GROWING
Indonesian Vice President Jusuf Kalla, visiting relatives of people on the flight in Surabaya, told reporters the search by 30 ships and 15 aircraft, about halfway between Surabaya and Singapore, was being hampered by bad weather.
Anger was growing among about 100 relatives at a crisis center at the airport in Indonesia's second-largest city.
"We only need clear information every hour on where they are going," said Franky Chandra, who has a sibling and three friends on the flight, referring to the search teams.
"We've been here for two days but the information is unclear. That's all we need."
Australia, Malaysia, Singapore and South Korea have sent ships and aircraft to join the search, and China offered to send planes and ships and any other help Indonesia needs.
Soelistyo said Indonesia might not have the best technology to search underwater and had accepted offers of help from the United States, Britain and France.
In 2007, it took Indonesia months to recover flight data recorders from a Boeing 737-400 operated by Indonesia's Adam Air which crashed off Sulawesi island, killing all 102 on board.
Flight QZ8501 was traveling at 32,000 feet (9,753 meters) and had asked to fly at 38,000 feet to avoid clouds.
Permission was not given at the time due to traffic in the area. Five minutes later, at 6.17 a.m. on Sunday (2317 GMT Saturday), the plane lost contact with air traffic control, transport officials said.
Data from Flightradar24.com, which tracks airline flights in real time, showed several nearby aircraft were at altitudes ranging from 34,000 to 36,000 feet at the time, levels that are not unusual for cruising aircraft.
Pilots and aviation experts said thunderstorms, and requests to gain altitude to avoid them, were not unusual in that area.
"The airplane's performance is directly related to the temperature outside and increasing altitude can lead to freezing of the static radar, giving pilots an erroneous radar reading," said a Qantas Airways pilot with 25 years' experience flying in the region.
The resulting danger is that pilots take incorrect action to control the aircraft, said the pilot, who requested anonymity.
WAS PLANE CLIMBING TOO SLOWLY?
Online discussions among pilots centered on unconfirmed secondary radar data from Malaysia that suggested the missing plane was climbing at a speed of 353 knots, about 100 knots too slow in such weather conditions.
"At that altitude, that speed is exceedingly dangerous," Sydney-based aviation expert Geoff Thomas told Reuters.
"At that altitude, the thin air, the wings won't support the aircraft at that speed and you get an aerodynamic stall."
Safety authorities say accidents involving a loss of control, such as might occur in bad weather, are rare but almost always catastrophic.
The Indonesian pilot was experienced and the plane last underwent maintenance in mid-November, the airline said. The aircraft had accumulated about 23,000 flight hours in some 13,600 flights, according to Airbus.
Malaysia AirAsia chief Tony Fernandes flew to Surabaya and, along with Indonesian officials, updated relatives at the crisis center at the airport.
"My heart bleeds for all the relatives of my crew and our passengers. Nothing is more important to us," he said on Twitter.
(Additional reporting by Chris Nusatya, Cindy Silviana, Kanupriya Kapoor, Michael Taylor and Siva Govindasamy in JAKARTA, Al-Zaquan Amer Hamzah and Praveen Menon in KUALA LUMPUR, Saeed Azhar, Rujun Shen and Anshuman Daga in SINGAPORE, Jane Wardell in SYDNEY, Ben Blanchard in BEIJING, and Tim Hepher in PARIS; Writing by Dean Yates and Paul Tait; Editing by Robert Birsel and Mike Collett-White)
Heard on the BBC that the Chinese have offered their help.
Flying is an international affair. If there is a problem all nations should be concerned because they might face the same problems.
who fuck care whether you love or hate your fucked country men
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