Re: Karma to Tony AirAsia Tony Fernandes - Your Plane Will Never Get Lost
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Re: Karma to Tony AirAsia Tony Fernandes - Your Plane Will Never Get Lost
the general depth of the Java sea is only 50 m...........it's less than a 100 m sprint.
......and there're still some morons who think the plane crashed into the Indian ocean, that has an average depth of 3,960 m.
......and the fucked up Indonesian govt cannot find the plane.
......falling from 9,730 m (32,000 ft), the plane would have broken into multiple pieces of debris, spread all over.
......if they cannot find any debris, then confirm there is a conspiracy and the plane never crash.
......so, we wait for the next plane to disappear and this could happen to any of the airlines flying in this region.
the general depth of the Java sea is only 50 m...........it's less than a 100 m sprint.
......and there're still some morons who think the plane crashed into the Indian ocean, that has an average depth of 3,960 m.
......and the fucked up Indonesian govt cannot find the plane.
......falling from 9,730 m (32,000 ft), the plane would have broken into multiple pieces of debris, spread all over.
......if they cannot find any debris, then confirm there is a conspiracy and the plane never crash.
......so, we wait for the next plane to disappear and this could happen to any of the airlines flying in this region.
Re: Karma to Tony AirAsia Tony Fernandes - Your Plane Will Never Get Lost
believe flight time advance when flight known to be fully booked to save turn-around time.bro, it's a normal practice on many budget airlines... a condition stated on ticket TOP
i think TG and JS do the same as well
Re: Karma to Tony AirAsia Tony Fernandes - Your Plane Will Never Get Lost
It seems that nowadays the fuselage and structures of airplanes are so tough and well made that they won't even disintegrate upon crashing into the sea. Actually, they should have made it mandatory to install a few large parachutes so that these can be self-activated and glide the troubled plane into a smooth descend, similar to those astronauts returning in their space capsules.
It seems that nowadays the fuselage and structures of airplanes are so tough and well made that they won't even disintegrate upon crashing into the sea. Actually, they should have made it mandatory to install a few large parachutes so that these can be self-activated and glide the troubled plane into a smooth descend, similar to those astronauts returning in their space capsules.
Re: Karma to Tony AirAsia Tony Fernandes - Your Plane Will Never Get Lost
good idea, should also make injected seat like fighter aircraft
better still, make the whole plane like black box like dat
good idea, should also make injected seat like fighter aircraft
better still, make the whole plane like black box like dat
Re: Karma to Tony AirAsia Tony Fernandes - Your Plane Will Never Get Lost
ya, i think the same too... and add an extra flight
ya, i think the same too... and add an extra flight
Re: Karma to Tony AirAsia Tony Fernandes - Your Plane Will Never Get Lost
This seems to be a new trend where they just can't find a plane…terrifying…problem is without air travel, we are all fucked as the clock will be turned back 60-70 years….hmmm.
What is the point of having these flight recorders and boxes if they don't function as advertised?
This seems to be a new trend where they just can't find a plane…terrifying…problem is without air travel, we are all fucked as the clock will be turned back 60-70 years….hmmm.
What is the point of having these flight recorders and boxes if they don't function as advertised?
Indonesia seeks U.S. help to find missing plane: U.S. State Department
WASHINGTON Mon Dec 29, 2014 7:22pm EST
(Reuters) - Indonesia has formally asked the United States for help in locating the AirAsia jet carrying 162 people that went missing on Sunday, the U.S. State Department said on Monday.
"Today we received a request for assistance locating the airplane, and we are reviewing that request to find out how best we can meet Indonesia's request for assistance," State Department spokesman Jeff Rathke told a regular news briefing.
The U.S. Defense Department said the details of the request were still being coordinated but "could include some air, surface and sub-surface detection capabilities."
"We stand ready to assist in any way possible," Pentagon spokesman Mark Wright said in a statement.
Rathke said the Indonesian request was made via a diplomatic note to the U.S. Embassy in Jakarta. He declined to give details of the request.
"Our embassy, of course, is focused on finding ... ways to be responsive. Of course, we've been in close contact with Indonesian officials since the disappearance of the plane," Rathke added.
The Indonesia AirAsia plane, an Airbus A320-200, disappeared after its pilot failed to get permission to fly higher to avoid bad weather during a flight from the Indonesian city of Surabaya to Singapore on Sunday.
The head of Indonesia's search and rescue agency said earlier on Monday the missing jet could be at the bottom of the sea after it was presumed to have crashed off the Indonesian coast.
(Reporting by David Brunnstrom, Lesley Wroughton and Peter Cooney; Editing by Susan Heavey and Christian Plumb)
Indonesia expands search for missing AirAsia jet, U.S. sends warship
By Gayatri Suroyo and Fergus Jensen
SURABAYA, Indonesia/JAKARTA Mon Dec 29, 2014 7:54pm EST
Family members of passengers onboard AirAsia flight QZ8501 react at a waiting area in Juanda International Airport, Surabaya, Indonesia, December 28, 2014. REUTERS-Beawiharta
(Reuters) - Countries around Asia on Tuesday stepped up the search for an AirAsia plane carrying 162 people that is presumed to have crashed in shallow waters off the Indonesian coast, with Washington also sending a warship to help find the missing jet.
Soelistyo, head of Indonesia's search and rescue agency, told local television the search area between the islands of Sumatra and Borneo would be expanded. The air force said authorities would investigate an oil spill sighted on Monday.
Authorities would also begin scouring islands in the area as well as land on Indonesia's side of Borneo. So far the focus of the search has been the Java Sea.
The Airbus A320-200 operated by Indonesia AirAsia lost radar contact in poor weather on Sunday morning during a flight from the Indonesian city of Surabaya to Singapore. The plane could be at the bottom of the sea, Soelistyo said on Monday.
What happened to Flight QZ8501, which had sought permission from Indonesian air traffic control to ascend to avoid clouds, is still a mystery.
Online discussions among pilots have centered on unconfirmed secondary radar data from Malaysia that suggested the aircraft was climbing at a speed of 353 knots, about 100 knots too slow in poor weather, and that it might have stalled.
Around 30 ships and 21 aircraft from Indonesia, Australia, Malaysia, Singapore and South Korea would search around 10,000 square nautical miles on Tuesday, officials said.
They said the sea there was only 50 to 100 (150 to 300 feet) meters deep, which would be a help in finding the plane, which was carrying mainly Indonesians.
The U.S. military said the USS Sampson, a guided missile destroyer, would be on the scene later on Tuesday.
The U.S. Defense Department said assistance to Indonesia "could include some air, surface and sub-surface detection capabilities".
"We stand ready to assist in any way possible," Pentagon spokesman Mark Wright said.
China's Defence Ministry said it had sent a warship to the South China Sea and planes "have begun preparatory work" for search operations.
FALSE ALARMS
There have been no confirmed signs of wreckage so far.
Officials said one of the possible oil slicks seen on Monday turned out to be a reef and that while searchers had picked up an emergency locator signal off the south of Borneo no subsequent signal was found.
The plane, whose engines were made by CFM International, co-owned by General Electric and Safran of France, lacked real-time engine diagnostics or monitoring, a GE spokesman said. Such systems are mainly used on long-haul flights and can provide clues to airlines and investigators when things go wrong.
The plane's disappearance comes at a sensitive time for Jakarta's aviation authorities, as they strive to improve the country's safety reputation to match its status as one of the airline industry's fastest growing markets.
It also appears to be a third air disaster involving a Malaysian-affiliated carrier in less than a year, further denting confidence in that country's aviation industry and spooking air travelers across the region.
Indonesia AirAsia is 49 percent owned by Malaysia-based budget carrier AirAsia.
Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 went missing on March 8 on a trip from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing with 239 passengers and crew and has not been found. On July 17, the same airline's Flight MH17 was shot down over Ukraine, killing all 298 people on board.
NO SIGN OF FOUL PLAY
On board Flight QZ8501 were 155 Indonesians, three South Koreans, and one person each from Singapore, Malaysia and Britain. The co-pilot was French.
U.S. law enforcement and security officials said passenger and crew lists were being closely examined but so far nothing significant had turned up and that the incident was still regarded as an unexplained accident.
The plane, which did not issue a distress signal, disappeared after its pilot failed to get permission to fly higher because of heavy air traffic, officials said.
Pilots and aviation experts said thunderstorms, and requests to gain altitude to avoid them, were not unusual in that area.
"The airplane's performance is directly related to the temperature outside and increasing altitude can lead to freezing of the static radar, giving pilots an erroneous radar reading," said a Qantas Airways pilot with 25 years' experience flying in the region.
The resulting danger is that pilots take incorrect action to control the aircraft, said the pilot, who requested anonymity.
The Indonesian pilot was experienced and the plane last underwent maintenance in mid-November, the airline said.
The AirAsia group, including affiliates in Thailand, the Philippines and India, had not suffered a crash since its Malaysian budget operations began in 2002.
At a crisis center at the airport in Surabaya, Indonesia's second-largest city, anger grew among about 100 relatives.
"We only need clear information every hour on where they are going," said Franky Chandra, who has a sibling and three friends on the flight, referring to the search teams.
"We've been here for two days but the information is unclear. That's all we need."
(Additional reporting by Wilda Asmarini, Fransiska Nangoy, Cindy Silviana, Kanupriya Kapoor, Michael Taylor, Nilufar Rizki and Siva Govindasamy in JAKARTA, Al-Zaquan Amer Hamzah and Praveen Menon in KUALA LUMPUR, Saeed Azhar, Rujun Shen and Anshuman Daga in SINGAPORE, Jane Wardell in SYDNEY, Ben Blanchard in BEIJING, Tim Hepher in PARIS and Mark Hosenball, David Brunnstrom and Lesley Wroughton in WASHINGTON; Writing by Dean Yates; Editing by Michael Perry)
Re: PAPsmearer's Air Asia flight disappearance theory
hahaha.....must cum cum in and lick papsmearer balls......really pathetic.
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AirAsia Flight QZ8501: the people on board the missing plane
Date December 30, 2014 - 2:59PM
Misa Han and Megan Levy
Ruth Natalia Puspitasari and Bob Hartanto Wijaya, in a photo taken from Facebook. Photo: Facebook
A young couple in love, a passionate pilot, and a businessman travelling with his two-year-old daughter were among those on board on the ill-fated AirAsia flight QZ8501.
AirAsia confirmed the missing aircraft had 155 passengers on board, including 16 children and one infant. The aircraft also had seven crew: two pilots, four cabin crew and one engineer. The airline said there were 149 Indonesian passengers on board, three South Koreans, one Briton, one Singaporean, and one Malaysian.
British businessman Chi Man Choi, in a photo taken from his LinkedIn page. Photo: LinkedIn
The final communications between the pilot Captain Iriyanto and air traffic control have been revealed as Indonesian naval vessels moved late on Monday night to check new reports of an oil slick in the search zone.
Meanwhile, relatives of the passengers and crew on board the plane waited anxiously at the crisis centre that has been set up at Surabaya airport in Indonesia.
Ruth Natalia Puspitasari and Bob Hartanto Wijaya
Ruth Natalia Puspitasari and her boyfriend Bob Hartanto Wijaya were among 149 Indonesian nationals who were on ill-fated QZ8501.
The pair were on a flight to Singapore with Mr Wijaya's family to celebrate the New Year.
Ms Puspitasari and Mr Wijaya met at Petra Christian University in Surabaya, the city where the flight had taken off.
Chi Man Choi
The British businessman had been travelling with his two-year-old daughter Zoe. He was on the missing AirAsia plane because there was no room on an earlier flight. His wife Mei-yi Wee and his five-year-old son Luca had been waiting at Changi airport.
Mr Choi worked for a French electricity and transportation company Alstom Power. He lived in Singapore but he worked in Indonesia, where he is a managing director of thermal services.
South Korean missionaries
Seong-beom Park, 37, his wife Kyung-hwa Lee, 36, and baby Yuna were a missionary family living in Indonesia, but they were travelling to Singapore to renew their visas. They were originally from a fishing village 280 miles south of Seoul. Yuna, 11 months old, is believed to be the youngest passenger on board.
Rémi Emmanuel Plesel
French national Mr Plesel was a co-pilot on the missing AirAsia flight. By the time of the incident, AirAsia said he clocked up 2275 hours of flying with the airline.
His sister, Renee Plesel, told French radio station RTL that "aviation was his passion.
"Since he was very young, it was his dream to be a pilot and the dream came true. He had been in Indonesia for three years ... He was a very good pilot, an excellent one," she said.
Renee said she was realistic about her chances of seeing her brother alive.
"When a plane falls out of the sky, there are hardly any survivors."
The co-pilot's mother, Rolande Peronet-Plesel, told rolling news channel BFMTV that she received the call every parent dreads at 3am, from her son's girlfriend.
"She told us that the plane Remi was flying had gone down.
"I'm waiting but we're used [to planes going down] and not finding people. They have never found the last plane that went down in the same place," she said, in an apparent reference to missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370, which disappeared in March.
Herumantu Tanus, Indahju Liangsih, Nico Giovanni, Justin Giovanni
Student Chiara Natasya Tanus had been eagerly awaiting the arrival of her family in Singapore so they could spend the holidays together.
Now, the 15-year-old is clinging to the hope that they could still be alive.
Her father, Herumantu Tanus, 46, mother Indahju Liangsih, 46, and brothers Nico Giovanni, 17, and Justin Giovanni, nine, were all on board missing AirAsia Flight QZ8501.
Chiara told Malaysia's The Star newspaper that she left Surabaya for Singapore two months ago to complete her high school studies.
"It was supposed to be the best time in Singapore as we were planning to spend the rest of the holidays together," she said.
"I was so excited. I was looking forward to showing my dormitory to my family and we were planning for a holiday in Singapore."
A woman at Surabaya who gave her name as Nana said she had worked for the family for 18 years.
"I took care of the children since they were babies," she said, sobbing.
Natalina Wuntarjo
Natalina Wuntarjo, 33, had been planning to fly to Singapore and on to Malaysia for a short holiday before returning home for New Year's Eve, which she planned to spend with her family.
Her mother, Djun Ik, told the Jakarta Post that Natalina worked in a restaurant in Surabaya and was a "good woman".
"My own instincts didn't give me a sense of foreboding, of something bad, when Natalina said goodbye," Ms Ik said.
"She left home in a rush saying that she had just been informed by the airline that her flight to Singapore had been moved forward to around 5am local time from the scheduled 7am.
"I will keep waiting for my daughter here, no matter what her condition is."
Alain Oktavianus
Louise Sidharta, 25, was on her way to the airport in Surabaya when she heard on the radio that an AirAsia plane had disappeared.
She knew her fiancé, Alain Oktavius, 27, his parents and three brothers were on an earlier flight that day. She was due to meet them in Singapore for a holiday in Singapore before their wedding next year.
When she landed in Changi airport later that afternoon, she learned her fiance and his family were on the missing flight.
"We had planned to marry in May next year," Ms Sidharta told Bloomberg. "We are not thinking negatively right now. We are only having positive thoughts."
Florentia Maria Widodo
The 26-year-old biology teacher was supposed to return to Singapore after visiting her family in Indonesia.
On Monday, her Singaporean boyfriend Andy Paul Chen was waiting at Changi Airport to travel to Surabaya to meet Ms Widodo's family.
The couple met at the National University of Singapore and both were members of the university's guitar ensemble, according to The Straits Times.
"She is my girlfriend. I'm going there now to meet her family members," Mr Chen said.
Sii Chung Huei
The only Malaysian national on board the missing AirAsia flight is the husband of a Malaysian university lecturer, reports Bernama news agency.
The Universiti Teknologi Mara in Sarawak said in a statement on Monday that the passenger, Sii Chung Huei, was the husband of Associate Professor Annie Wong Muk Ngiik, a senior lecturer at its faculty of business and management.
"My deepest sympathies are with Assoc Prof Annie Wong, and the families and friends of all other passengers and crew members on AirAsia Indonesia flight QZ8501 at this difficult time," the university's Professor Datuk Dr Jamil Hamali said.
"Our thoughts and prayers are with all the passengers and crew. May they all return home safely soon," he said.
Tour guide and 20 passengers
Bambang Andreas, the father of one of the missing Indonesian passengers, said his daughter was leading a tour group of 20 passengers, Malaysian Insider reported.
The group had been planning to fly to Singapore and then on to Malaysia, he said.
"I never had any bad feelings. She was always taking guests overseas," he said of his daughter, while waiting at Surabaya airport.
"We were here yesterday. We want to know the latest as updates come in."
Kevin Alexander Soetjipto, and family
Monash University student Kevin Alexander Soetjipto, originally from Malang in Indonesia, is listed on the flight manifest released by Indonesian authorities as having checked in to seat 6A on flight QZ8501 on Sunday.
Cindy Clarissa Soetjipto, who is listed as his sister on Facebook, is recorded on the manifest as sitting in seat 6C on the flight. Another person with the same surname, Rudy, was sitting in between the two in 6B.
Mr Soetjipto was living in Australia on a student visa.
His Facebook profile shows he was enrolled at the Clayton campus in a commerce course. It also shows pictures of him enjoying time out from his studies on a sightseeing trip to New Zealand.
With agencies
Re: PAPsmearer's Air Asia flight disappearance theory
also you have thick hides and so do not feel embarrass at all...
hahaha...your ge kiangness and dumbness is really out of this world.....
also you have thick hides and so do not feel embarrass at all...
AirAsia flight QZ8501: final communications from pilot of missing plane revealed
Date December 30, 2014 - 6:36AM
Michael Bachelard
Indonesia correspondent for Fairfax Media
Surabaya: The final communications between the pilot of ill-fated flight QZ8501 and air traffic control have been revealed as Indonesian naval vessels moved late last night to check new reports of an oil slick in the search zone.
The strain meanwhile has begun to show on some families, who expressed frustration with AirAsia's chief executive Tony Fernandes and the chief pilot in closed meetings on Monday.
Family members of QZ8501 passengers wait for news at the crisis centre in Surabaya. Photo: Getty Images
Indonesian state navigation operator AirNav said late on Monday that the Airbus 320-200 captain, Iriyanto, had requested permission at 6.12am local time on Sunday to turn left to avoid a storm.
The request was granted and the plane turned left seven miles. The captain then requested to be able to climb saying: "Request to higher level," according to AirNav standards and safety director Wisnu Darjono, as quoted by the Jakarta Post.
The air traffic controller responded: "Intended to what level?", to which Iriyanto indicated he wanted to go to 38,000 feet.
The search for the missing plane continues. Photo: Reuters
But there were six planes in the area at the time, another AirNav spokesman said, so, after consulting with the destination airport, Changi in Singapore, air traffic control told QZ8501 it could only go to 34,000 feet.
"But when we informed the pilot of the approval at 6.14am, we received no reply," Mr Wisnu said.
According to earlier timelines, all communication between the plane and Jakarta was lost three minutes later, and at 6.18am, it went off the radar entirely.
Iriyanto, captain of the missing AirAsia flight: Photo: Path
Indonesian search and rescue agency chief Henry Bambang Soelistyo said yesterday the plane was likely "at the bottom of the sea".
Indonesian navy vessel Pattimura was late last night making its way to a location near Bangka Belitung Island to check reports from an Indonesian air force plane of an oil slick on the ocean.
It was one of a number of leads in the search zone on Monday, one of which came from an Australian PC-3 Orion dispatched from Darwin in a different part of the rescue area, closer to Kalimantan.
Khairunisa Haidar Fauzi, a trainee flight attendant on the missing plane. Photo: AFP
Indonesian Transport Minister Ignasius Jonan said ships had checked that area out and had found nothing, and vice-president Jusuf Kalla said nothing conclusive had been drawn from the Australian aircraft's report. Australian Defence officials referred all queries to Indonesia.
A list released by the Indonesian search and rescue agency on Monday shows five helicopters, 10 fixed-wing aircraft (including two Australian Orions — one possibly on standby only), and 16 ships have joined the search.
At Surabaya airport, some of the relatives of the 162 people on the flight began to express anger at AirAsia executives over answers they considered inadequate. Relatives wanted to know why the departure time of QZ8501 had been brought forward from 7.20am to 5.20am on Sunday. They were told it was just a routine change.
Some were seen gesticulating during a closed meeting with Mr Fernandes, and parents said outside that they did not know why, in the face of such bad weather, the flight had not been delayed or cancelled.
"It seems like the answer to a lot of the questions asked is just repeating 'We lost contact'," said Z. Effendy the uncle of 20-year-old trainee flight assistant Khairunisa Haidar Fauzi.
"The replies were just to humour us," said the missing woman's father, Haidar Fauzi. "They give you the answer they think you want to hear just to keep you calm."
Both men said they still hoped for the best, but were realistic enough to expect the worst: "We knew the risk our daughter was taking with this job, so we're prepared," Mr Haidar told Fairfax Media.
So we now know that pilot and aircrew are not glamorous jobs, they are paid slightly higher in exchange for life. One can easily paid more for a bit less danger job, to deliver hand grenades and ammunition in SAF outsourced to ST 
So we now know that pilot and aircrew are not glamorous jobs, they are paid slightly higher in exchange for life. One can easily paid more for a bit less danger job, to deliver hand grenades and ammunition in SAF outsourced to ST
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Items resembling emergency slide, plane door seen amid QZ8501 search
Published: December 30, 2014 01:31 PMUPDATED: December 30, 2014 02:10 pm
PANGKALAN BUN (Indonesia), Dec 30 — Items resembling an emergency slide, plane door and other objects were spotted in the sea during an aerial search today for missing AirAsia flight QZ8501, Indonesian officials said.
An AFP photographer on the search flight that spotted the possible debris said he had seen objects in the sea resembling a life raft, life jackets and long orange tubes.
Indonesian air force official Agus Dwi Putranto told reporters: "We spotted about 10 big objects and many more small white-coloured objects which we could not photograph."
"The position is 10 kilometres (six miles) from the location the plane was last captured by radar," he said.
Putranto displayed 10 photos of objects resembling a plane door, emergency slide, and a square box-like object.
"It is not really clear... it could be the wall of the plane or the door of the plane," he said.
"Let's pray that those objects are what we are really trying to find," he said in Pangkalan Bun in Central Kalimantan on the island of Borneo.
AirAsia flight QZ8501 disappeared Sunday morning over the Java Sea with 162 people on board.
The search is focused on waters around the islands of Bangka and Belitung in the Java Sea, across from Kalimantan. — AFP
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'Wreckage' in sea from AirAsia flight QZ8501 : chief
Yahoo7 and Agencies
December 30, 2014, 6:23 pm
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Objects resembling a plane door and an emergency slide found in the sea are from missing AirAsia flight QZ8501, Indonesian Civil Aviation Chief Djoko Murjatmodjo has confirmed.
“For the time being it can be confirmed that it’s the AirAsia plane and the transport minister will depart soon to Pangkalan Bun,” he told AFP.
Hope in AirAsia search: 'Wreckage' spotted in sea
An AFP photographer on the search flight that spotted the possible debris said he had seen objects in the sea resembling a life raft, life jackets and long orange tubes.
Indonesian air force official Agus Dwi Putranto told reporters:
“We spotted about 10 big objects and many more small white-coloured objects which we could not photograph.”
“The position is 10 kilometres from the location the plane was last captured by radar," he said.
Putranto displayed 10 photos of objects resembling a plane door, emergency slide, and a square box-like object.
An AFP photographer said he "spotted about 10 big objects and many more small white-coloured objects which we could not photograph". Photo: AFP/Twitter
"It is not really clear... it could be the wall of the plane or the door of the plane," he said.
"Let’s pray that those objects are what we are really trying to find,” he said in Pangkalan Bun in Central Kalimantan on the island of Borneo.
AirAsia flight QZ8501 disappeared on Sunday morning over the Java Sea with 162 people on board.
The search is focused on waters around the islands of Bangka and Belitung in the Java Sea , across from Kalimantan.
More planes are in the air and more ships on the sea today hunting for AirAsia Flight 8501 in a widening search off Indonesia that has dragged into a third day without any solid leads.
Two small planes have been sent to an island within the search area where a fire was reportedly detected, according to CNN and CBS.
Bodies have been found.
Re: Karma to Tony AirAsia Tony Fernandes - Your Plane Will Never Get Lost
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