Reform Party: Ex SAF scholar joins Reform Party. Time to stop the Reform?

[Perspective]

Which is what i am saying: your endpoint is the number of parties in Parliament. You misinterpreted.

You are probably talking in a theoretical sense.

I am offering another point of view: that there is no value in talking theory when the opposition is hardly able to even make headway on the third seat.

In a very real sense, there is no opposition in Singapore today that can exist on its own merit and not by the grace of PAP.

We are probably talking about 2 different things then. In my view, regardless of quality or no quality, it is a fact that different permutations result in different democratic dynamics owing to the behaviour of humans.

If you are offering another point of view, it doesn't render other's redundant.

 

[IR123]

We are probably talking about 2 different things then. In my view, regardless of quality or no quality, it is a fact that different permutations result in different democratic dynamics owing to the behaviour of humans.

If you are offering another point of view, it doesn't render other's redundant.

yes we are talking about 2 different things

and yes, i had NOT render nor implied that your point is redundant

 

[IR123]

In my view, regardless of quality or no quality, it is a fact that different permutations result in different democratic dynamics owing to the behaviour of humans.

Without quality the democratic dynamics will oscillate around like turkeys


And that need not be an indisputable fact, so long as the human being realizes it

 

[yourdaddy]

the woman definitely at least made it. An AD in the AS is already quite an achievement. though of course, in her time IIRC scholars were inducted into the AS right after graduation without any further selection process.

Are you sure you know what you're on about boy? No way. AD is a very low position for scholars. AD is NOT the same as DD.

DD (Deputy Director) is high (if you ascend to it at 30, and yes I know scholars who do). AD is not.

AD is right after being the most junior entry level position which is policy officer. All OMS scholars, AO or not, become AD after the first year of service. FYI, AD is lower than branch head, which is lower than DD, and then Director. Girls who are OMS (and so don't need to serve NS) are AD by 24, at the most 25 years old, most by 24 and its such a low appointment its practically automatic, even farmers are AD at that age

This stupid woman could even be an SGS (which started a long time ago), although I find it funny how the dumbos everywhere else fail to see that the guy is JUST an SMS. The idiots posting on the net don't even know the difference between SAFOS or SMS.

 

[yourdaddy]

Re: Reform Party: Ex SAF scholar joins Reform Party

He got a SAF Merit Scholarship, not the Overseas Scholarship.

Not a big deal but still a plus for the Reform Party.

"Being raised by a single mom with 3 brothers and 3 sisters, I understand poverty and the importance of how social mobility and social safety nets can make the society more inclusive and compassionate. " I wonder how many of the receipts face this kind of odds.

that does not imply the SAF Merit Scholarship is better than the SAF Overseas Scholarship.

It is not. In fact the gap is so big between the two that no one really cares about whether the SMS people exist or not in SAF.

 

[yourdaddy]

Overseas scholars who did not make Lieutenant Colonel for the man or Director for the woman (did the woman get demoted in appointment from Deputy Director to Assistant Director even if she kept her grade?) within their bond period means they didn't make it in the first place.

You are correct. Anyone didn't leave after bond as LTC (8 year bond) is a failure with a capital F stamped on, but 30 year old LTC is for SAFOS only, not SMS. This is the same reason why earlier it was said that he is not a SAFOS and as mentioned by a few others, they're not the same.

After eight years to retire from the SAF as a Major is a major embarrassment, that is totally disgraceful, even by SMS standards. SAFOS hit MAJ at 27-28, and LTC by 30, and this guy left the service as MAJ after 8 years is a total disgrace by even by SMS standard.

Add to the fact that unlike SAFOS, SPFOS and OMS scholars, SMS don't get to disrupt at 19, with most getting the scholarship at the end of their national service, thus most of them leave Singapore to study at 21 and come back at 25 together with the stat board scholars. This means when he left the service as a MAJ he was 25 + 8 = 33 years old and still a Maj, which is a total and utter laughing stock.

There is no need for RP to get overly excited. I doubt any of the PAP leaders have broken a sweat.

And for the woman, it seems like she broke her bond after 4 yrs in MOF or was seconded to a GLC, if she wasn't a bondbreaker. In her time, all scholars had to serve 8 years. After 4 years and she was only an AD, she had failed spectacularly (compared to other scholars, if she is indeed an OMS, the report only states that she's a PSC scholar, which SGS is under).

They very clearly left the civil service after doing poorly. The guy is some 2nd rate SMS that no one in SAF cares about. I'm not even sure if the woman is an OMS, because she might not be. Its well known, the principle of dong jia bu da da xi jia. Their knocking on opposition's doors is very probably their hopes of becoming ministers after the incumbent route turned them away.

These two are better than the current crop of opposition members, but they're not good enough.

I hope to see really good people.. people highly regaded by the incumbent or who were big guns power players in the establishment when they were there and well-regarded by the political masters, like SAFOS BG Bernard Tan or Wong Ann Chai, now MD in DBS Bank, joining the opposition out of their own accord because they had a choice, and not people who had no choice because they were expunged by the establishment eons ago (leaving in defeat IS being expunged), and now the boss of a 10-chain tuition centre, before I could consider giving the opposition more credit. I'd really like to vote for another party than the incumbent, but they are not proving themselves or justifying my vote.

These are no more than rejected crap of PAP who are trying to play the game and get 'new life' 2nd round, when they actually died in the game like 15 years ago.

 

[lockeliberal]

Dear Your

I would just point out that within the scholarship system, there are many scholars who do not make it, not because they are less smart or even more smart , but at some basic fundamental character level, they and the Civil Service in particular their civil service bosses were not in sync.

Success in the civil service is not abt "what you know" or grades but " who you know" and how you can game the system.



Locke

 

[yourdaddy]

Dear Your

I would just point out that within the scholarship system, there are many scholars who do not make it, not because they are less smart or even more smart , but at some basic fundamental character level, they and the Civil Service in particular their civil service bosses were not in sync.

Success in the civil service is not abt "what you know" or grades but " who you know" and how you can game the system.



Locke

In the first place, you fail to see the point. Scholars are not created equal. He was not and did not have a premiere scholarship. Of course then we see the tons of morons on the net thinking that all scholars are created equal, as though all scholarships are equal (are they dumb or what?) or if sent to the same university, oh somewhere in UK or US, or if two scholars go to the same university, they are the same. They read the blardy papers and go oh wah sent to Cambridge, or scholarship from SAF, and then its all the same. Do you want to be an ostrich?

To a lot of people, depending on who you speak to of cos, he was not even a scholar. So he wasn't meant to be anyone of note to begin with. That was the point.

Second point was that even for a 2nd rate loser in the SAF, he was a failure to be a MAJ afterf 8 years, even by the no-big-deal standards of his lousy scholarship.

and pls all of people, I dun need you tell me, of all people, what is needed for success in any workplace.

You are sorely mistaken if you believe that you can hoodwink the system without real chops and wits, and just by polishing the machinery or bootlicking the right places. You do need a mixture of both brains and 'who you know' to gain the extra edge to be the ultimate top (and when I mean top, i mean ultimately top, CEO or minister, CDF), but I've seen plenty of scholars with smarts and talents who are duly rewarded without any intentional posturing (they can reach easily PS or BG level). But you seem to think that the 2 sets are mutually exclusive, sad to tell you there are plenty of scholars with both. sad to tell you its not mutually exclusive.

And most of all, the biggest bad news i've to break to you is that it doesn't mean that the stupid people with no brains and grades know what to do in other areas and know the "who you know" and how to be likeable. I know a lot of farmers who are so freaking irritating they are public enemies, even their fellow farmers hate them.

No brains completely out, i dun think you know how cutthroat the competition is. One can hide for awhile, pretend for awhile by sucking up here and there, i've seen many dumb local grad farmers who do that and they think if they suck enough cock in the right places and garner enough allies in the office they can beat the fact that they're retarded and beat their lack of pedigree, but they ultimately ALL get found out. Paper can't keep fire for long. Scholars with Brains only fly high but lose out to people with both and of cos the competition is cutthroat so they normally get edged out for top post by scholars with both.

And yup, there are such people with both. And they tend to leave the system BECAUSE THEY CAN at the peak of their careers, BGs WOng Ann Chai, Bernard Tan, MD in DBS and Warren Fernandez, SPH scholar now with Shell and left as 2nd man in state press..and another sign that they are eh kan and not some buay kan shit is they have the strong approval and are well regarded and approved by the establishment at the point when they chose to leave. And not running some loser 10-chain tuition centre.

 

[elephanto]

Quietly, I have been reading YourDaddy's posts, which was fine at the start but becoming increasingly strident & arrogant with every subsequent snub/bait by Scroobal.

Honestly, all the highfalutin stuff you guys talked about are outside the realm of 90% of us peasants who are worse than the denigrated local grad 'farmers'.

Some of us aren't even grads let alone scholars, so I grant everything you said to be true techinically, YrDaddy.

Not here to take sides, but the increasingly sneering tone in your posts makes you no better than LKY when he publicly compared mah Bow tan's 'O' level grades with Chiam.

Your fixation/ obsession with scholars & within scholars, top D24 durian grade scholars just betray your snooty 'elitist' ugly self.

That Tony Tan may be a nobody in the eyes of top grade scholars - but give him credit for his modest achievement as a businessman.

Outside of employment, top grade scholars may be inapt at surviving on their own wits , let alone make a success in business.

Just my 2 cents worth, nothing against u personally, simply resent your snobbish tone.

 

[yourdaddy]

Scroobal ish a fanboy enjoying the taste of the elites' balls every minute aplenty as he sux sux vigorously teabagging..he doesn't have a chance of baiting or snubbing no one as he fixates on the progress and sex life of his idols every min and subsequently posts on the internet, so dunch worry or imagine for a second that fanboy could get hisdaddy to respond to him in any the other way than to work his jaws in the sucking.

As for what I said to Mr Ostrich, hello, do you want the take the red pill or the blue pill? I don't brandish feelifala PR bullshit to you, because I'm not a politician like 2nd rate Tony Tan in RP or any PAP MP.

As Tom Cruise in A Few Good Men would say, you want the truth, but you can't handle the truth that the only semblance of 'elite' our beloved opposition party got in bag is a 3rd rate deadwood who was rejected by the very establishment that you seek to disarm. Oh wait a min, more like you never wanted the truth to begin with, hence the reaction.

The truth is out there, whether you face it with courage or convince yourself otherwise. Me just asked some ppl in the know more so, who said that Mr Tony's progress in the SAF was not particularly shabby, because he was just an SMS and no one really cares whether they exist or not in the SAF, and that I had mis-assessed the new RP newbie by using the benchmark of a real scholar. So me ish capable of making the trepass that the idiots elswhere who have no idea what's going on make.

Then again at least I know he's just an SMS. At the end of the day, he did not depart from the establishment on a glorious note, at the end of the day, he had failed to make it there. And the end of the day, we know now that he's seeking a 2nd chance at political stardom.

BTW, don't make assumptions chiu know ish self-consolatory if chiu aren't deluded..let your daddy quote you "Outside of employment, top grade scholars may be inapt at surviving on their own wits , let alone make a success in business"..please you're making my peasant toes laugh... Intellect is NOT mutually exclusive with business success! This is yet another instance of self-consolation I often see among peasants like meself..except that I don't harbour such self-consoling delusions haha (Why don't you go check out who's the boss and founder of listed abalone company Oceanus worth hundreds of millions and bosses of Lo & Behold Group, me currently holding a few lots of its stocks).. .

Its not much different from the other often used self-consolation adage - only stupid people know how to oil the machinery and know "who to know" and smart people with good grades don't know and EQ-IQ, people with high IQ all have no EQ rubbish... hahaha wtf, only your daddy will tell you it's your dream, when there are far more people with dumb EQ, bad breath, below average in looks and other sucky qualities among the pool of people in the universe who don't have high IQ (because logical statistics demand that they form a larger pool in terms of total volume, gettit hoho)

I'm also waiting for the opposition party to show me A Few Good Men so your daddy can vote for em'. Shorty Tan aint one.

 

[zujjkiol]

[/QUOTE]

i'm also waiting for the opposition party to show me A Few Good Men so your daddy can vote for em'. Shorty Tan aint one.

opposition don't need your vote, you can go any give bayi
fuck!:oIo:

 

[scroobal]

You are certainly an angry man and melodramatic as well.

No one claimed that Tony was SAFOS. He never the less was a scholar who obtained 1st class honours in engineering and it did not come from Batu Pahat University. Not many people are cut out to be in the SAF or the SAF might not be ready for him. He has however done well under his own steam. Ok, he hasn't walked the moon yet so lets us cut him some slack.

As Tom Cruise in A Few Good Men would say, you want the truth, but you can't handle the truth that the only semblance of 'elite' our beloved opposition party got in bag is a 3rd rate deadwood who was rejected by the very establishment that you seek to disarm.

 

[sammymugabe]

Now gei gei pretend to be ho nang. No one is saying that he's a SAFOS lah but thats because the people who aren't saying it don't know the difference

Whats also said is that he didn't do well in the establishment, with high odds of husband and wife having been rejects of PAP. No one expects him to walk the moon.

it's true indeed, that there are credible scholars that PAP valued who have left the service with flying colours and at the top of their gamne, that the opposition will not ever or has not managed to attract. This guy aint their league. And to be noted is that he's the same age as Warren and Wong Ann Chai and Bernard.

 

[Perspective]

You are certainly an angry man and melodramatic as well.

No one claimed that Tony was SAFOS. He never the less was a scholar who obtained 1st class honours in engineering and it did not come from Batu Pahat University. Not many people are cut out to be in the SAF or the SAF might not be ready for him. He has however done well under his own steam. Ok, he hasn't walked the moon yet so lets us cut him some slack.

Agree. In the 70s any 'Tony Tan' types would not have joined RP/WP/any opp. This does mark a change in the delivery standards of PAP which has clearly dropped. No one cares about the technicalities of SAFOS or SMS.

 

[yourdaddy]

Are you sure? Check your facts. Are you saying that JB Jeyaratnam, who has a law degree from UCL was any qualified or less intelligent than that SMS farmer?

Its so not a technicality, because SMS is given out very easily, and doesn't even touch the cluster of coveted prestigious scholarships (1st tier PSC - SAFOS, SPFOS, OMS..and GIC heheha) You don't know that, did chiu, that's why you're in the clouds and think that he's some kind of elite treasure that RP bagged LMAO. The kind of quality you get, depends on how coveted something is. Same for woman. Wife or chicken. Chicken A in geylang only you want to patronise and no one else for 1 yr, confirm is bargain basement one, sometime no business even give free marketing trials, give you free or buy one get one. Chicken B got 500 customers all over the world bidding every hour, you confirm cannot afford one.

A technicality? Try telling that to the SMS who are not SAFOS hahah.

And who cares? The people who know. Take your time to read this thread. At least 4 different people who know said they know and noticed, dreamboy and thats just in this forum Hahah. If you know the difference in value of a Ferrari and Perodua, IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE IF YOU KNOW. If you don't know the difference between Ferrari and Perodua, you would be in dreamland posting in car forums that "no one cares about the difference and its only a technicality". People who know just think you look stupid that's all.

And go check facts hor opposition had a slew of UK educated lawyers, including Francis Seow and one ah neh who's also well-educated and has since escaped to US now and now US citizen (hunted by PAP like an escaped fowl), both from some British law school and JB Jeya who has a UCL law degree, btw that's University College London hor. Go check facts then come back.

PAP had its fair share of intelligent and cosmopolitan overseas educated opponents. At one time PAP thought of using the heartlander trick of relating to the heartlanders with dumb ass farmers with IQ less than 100 like Lee Bee Wah and Teo Ser Luck. I think now with this minor 'upset', they'd be rethinking their useless strategy.

nothing has changed, because PAP has had far more formidable rivals than this crap, which is nothing yet they didn't win :(. You don't know what you're talking about at all in anything. If these guys can't do this, don't expect Mr Tutor to save your day. You need people who are strong, and the tuition teacher aint it. RP need to try harder.

 

[yourdaddy]

Hosay Bo? are you sure???? Gopalan Nair more EH KAN than 3rd rate scholar and PAP reject.

 

[yourdaddy]

Chiu mean this 3rd rate guy better than Tan Wah Piow? You mean no one opposing PAP ever had a 1st class Oxford law degree like Tan, who is now in exile? :oIo: Check your fact next time okie?

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[cass888]

You are certainly an angry man and melodramatic as well.

No one claimed that Tony was SAFOS. He never the less was a scholar who obtained 1st class honours in engineering and it did not come from Batu Pahat University. Not many people are cut out to be in the SAF or the SAF might not be ready for him. He has however done well under his own steam. Ok, he hasn't walked the moon yet so lets us cut him some slack.

Basic degree leaving the army as a major we can cut him some slack. 1st class honours leaving after 8 years as a major whether SAFOS or SMS or even SAS/LSA can only spell one thing - L O S E R.

 

[yourdaddy]

Basic degree leaving the army as a major we can cut him some slack. 1st class honours leaving after 8 years as a major whether SAFOS or SMS or even SAS/LSA can only spell one thing - L O S E R.

I also say. But this time i must give Scroobal the credit that he did not talk nonsense or make ignorant or delusional 'red pill, blue pill' comments.

Check out this funny one. there is not one SAFOS who isn't LTC by 31-32. But I have heard from my friends in the SAF that Tan's progress in the SAF is typical of SMS.

Agree. In the 70s any 'Tony Tan' types would not have joined RP/WP/any opp. This does mark a change in the delivery standards of PAP which has clearly dropped. No one cares about the technicalities of SAFOS or SMS.

hahahahaha

When this type of result is typical, you try telling them that they didn't become SAFOS ish only a technicality lor. See whether they get stroke or not.

 

[yourdaddy]

Chiu is clearly knowing nothing so let your daddy give you a peek and glimpse into what chiu dunch noe.

In this yr that your daddy knows of, one of the SAFOS is a Presidents Scholar who, in his JC days represented his JC (RJ) in the Olympiads for chemistry (I hope you know what this is and it's International) and he emerged with the highest score ever obtained in the history of Olympiads. World beater. Unfortunately for Singaporeans, he has left the service, which could be linked to the fact that he is so god damn bright.

Later part in the same year, out of all the guys rejected for SAFOS, all got an offer of SMS. (when you deviate lower than SMS, that pool is so crap they were not even in the contender for SAFOS to be rejected by PSC). Fewer than half took the SMS, with the rest either having their parents fund their studies overseas or accepting another low-rung scholarship- many of them took up the ones with Stat Boards (which are low rung).

BTW scholars all apply to a huge number of scholrships which fall in their range of acceptability for a career, they wait for answers, out of those that give them offer, they accept the best one. The worst and lousiest scholars end up with the scholarships left, the ones that filtered down NO ONE ELSE WANTS BUT EVERYONE ELSE GOT (to me i'd imagine a PUB scholar). Gettit? This scholarship application process is extremely efficient and well-oiled.

Why later part of the yr? It gets worse. only some of the SMS are SAFOS rejects, most are not even qualified to have been rejected. Here's why. SMS is a scholarship given out at all times regardless of cohort. Which means you can apply as you do your NS. About half of the SMS are scholars who get their SMS at the end of their NS after 2.5 years (military performance, they say). It also means you can apply up to 3 times, like the losers who can't make it to even shitty local U apply throughout NS.

Back to the story. So what do you think ish the quality? I'm not saying that they're anything bad. But these folks are not scholar-scholar and pls dun deny it, wasn't that the point of this thread, that headline in the State Times, why the news even bothered to report it, why we're even talking about it. Its not because he ish handsome or ugly (he's the latter) that we're talking about him now, its not his shoe size, the headlines and talking points are supposed to predicate on him being "ABLE" as Wooden Goh said, him being an elite and better than the crap in opposition and the wow factor. Clearly yesh then the bubble is burst. Lets be reasonable and if chiu had half an ounce of brain (which chiu may not have), chiu might be able to understand what your daddy ish saying to chiu. The hope is vain and hope lies eternal for your daddy.