PAP Race Card Politics makes a comeback

[scroobal]

Not sure if anyone noticed that last week was quite a momentous week. We had one cabinet minister and one designated cabinet minister both playing the race card. The master at this was Old Man who was keenly aware what it could do and how to do it. His speech in Malay about the Malays in the Malaysia Parliament was a classic.

I was suprised that Ong Ke Yung who looked decent decided to play hardball. I am sure those who were sharp enough knew that he was stating that he could not trust the English educated as they played him out in first year Pre U at RJC. He also commented that he was glad that he was in Maris Stella and preferred the Chinese main strean because the language imparted values. To those not familiar, Chinese ed and English ed have always been treated by the PAP as two separate races for political expediency. The PAP is not the only one, other political parties have long done it.

Viv B followed by commenting that those who are anti-FT might turn on the minorities eventually. This is pure mischief. Every true Singaporean whether Ah Beng, Ahmad, Muthu, Meenatchi, Mina or Ah Lian have one common issue with FT who are of poor quality, and do not measure up. Its a united front, you fucking arsehole. Old Man took the imperialist approach of divide and conquer and now Viv B doing the very same.

I won't be surpised that playing the race card is going to be the main instrument of the PAP in 2016.

To all English educated Singaporeans who have become dishinest and have no values or wrong values because you were educated in the English stream keeping quiet is not the answer. I waited for the past few days and I have not heard a wimper from anyone. I am sure most can read what was written and there can be only one interpretation.

 

[mojito]

Perhaps these English educated brutes feel ashamed of the values imparted by their Jewish deity? Such is the sad state of affairs in Peasantpore.

 

[Nice-Gook]

I have already written my piece here in this thread Minister Vivian explains the existence of Jah Rastafar,

To be fair,British colonists began to divide and rule on race basis.Hence the very origin of Singapore is race based.Because the fear of Malays linked culturally and historically to an overwhelming Chinese majority was sitting on a racial volcano ready to explode anytime.

Therefore,the politicians decided to go for this or that way when independence was being negotiated for Singapore.Since a multi racial society was not only an unthinkable proposition but never figured in their thinkings too.And not many are aware that the biggest of the racial architect Singapore had was indeed the David Marshall.Because he alone changed the entire demography of Singapore by negotiating with the than premier of China Zhou Enlai---which granted citizenship to more than a quarter million China born stateless Chinese working and residing in Singapore.That act alone placed the Chinese as the majority race that would decide the future of Singapore.


But Marshall's gamble backfired.His closeness with the Commie leadership in China and the fact that he made Chinese as the majority race of Singapore did not win him a seat in the parliament.LKY won and fully exploited the situation.Because,as a peranakan baba,who spoke Malay at home ,he did not cut any ice with China borns but he did win the election with the help of Lim Chin Siong.But saw the danger Lim posed and needed the English educated Indian factor for a pseudo multi racial society.Multi racial in the name only but not in the spirit of governance.

But the biggest bogey man in that era was the rise of Malay political consciousness....it practically did not exist till the Japanese occupation forces were defeated.The aftermath blood bath is a subject too taboo--seldom written and most people are unaware.Combined with the Chinese who suffered under the Japanese and the victorious jungle forces of Communist Party of Malaya began slaughtering Malays who cooperated with Japanese.And called for Malaya to be annexed with communist China.

So,against this backdrop that PAP captured power in 1959.

 

[scroobal]

Viv B made those comments to Sinda ie Indians. Anti FT turning on the minorities cannot be minorities turning on themselves. It could be Malays turning on Indians or vice versa but more likely the majority and that leaves the Chinese.

These are highly inflammable comments to a particular race. If those identical comments were made to the same audience by JBJ, Low, CSJ or anyone else, detention would be the likely consequence as they are ample cases of such actions.

JBJ and company would after one month would give a TV confesssion and the probably end up working for the establishment.

 

[anttan]

Viv B made those comments to Sinda ie Indians. Anti FT turning on the minorities cannot be minorities turning on themselves. It could be Malays turning on Indians or vice versa but more likely the majority and that leaves the Chinese.

These are highly inflammable comments to a particular race. If those identical comments were made to the same audience by JBJ, Low, CSJ or anyone else, detention would be the likely consequence as they are ample cases of such actions.

JBJ and company would after one month would give a TV confesssion and the probably end up working for the establishment.

What a seditious remark by that halfbreed! to me, it smacks of racialism. He was obviously referring to the Singapore Chinese, who is the majority. He also implies that Chinese who are against immigrants may turn against the local minorities, namely the Malay, Indian or Eurasian community. But where is the relevance? is this an anti-Chinese remark? Coming from a full minister and a qualified eye doctor, it is most unbecoming and he is supposed to be a top debater during his university days. The irony is that he is half Chinese (his mother is Chinese married to an Indian and he himself also married a local Chinese). Is he suggesting that his mother and wife are capable of turning against him if they should one day disagree with the immigrant policy?

if any ordinary Singaporean, regardless of his/her race, were to utter similar or related words in a public forum, seminer or even at the Speakers Corner, he/she can be detained under the ISA. Where is the justice?

 

[scroobal]

Communism and Malay political consciousness were always the recurring theme for bogeyman politics of the PAP. The first disappeared, the second still prevails. But anti FT proponents turning on the minorities is really a bit rich.

Politics of Confucisianism which Old Man developed and preached to the world by GY and Kishore is now an embarrassment. Now Ong Ke Yung seems to be drinking from the same fountain.

This guy is never ever going to contest in an SMC or even in Aljunied or East Coast or even Punggol. Lets see if his values which his SAP education taught him allows him to ride on the coat-tails of others.

But the biggest bogey man in that era was the rise of Malay political consciousness....it practically did not exist till the Japanese occupation forces were defeated.The aftermath blood bath is a subject too taboo--seldom written and most people are unaware.Combined with the Chinese who suffered under the Japanese and the victorious jungle forces of Communist Party of Malaya began slaughtering Malays who cooperated with Japanese.And called for Malaya to be annexed with communist China.

So,against this backdrop that PAP captured power in 1959.

 

[Nice-Gook]

Communism and Malay political consciousness were always the recurring theme for bogeyman politics of the PAP. The first disappeared, the second still prevails. But anti FT proponents turning on the minorities is really a bit rich.

Politics of Confucisianism which Old Man developed and preached to the world by GY and Kishore is now an embarrassment. Now Ong Ke Yung seems to be drinking from the same fountain.

PAP always would want a divided population since it's easier to manipulate them by fear factor.In that sense,nothing changed.It's the same wine in a new bottle.

Even this PAP FT policy is nothing new either.It's actually a repetition of David Marshall idea of granting citizenship to a half million China born by the stroke of a pen.

I don't figure the old man is any Confucianism crazy either.Harry Lee was hardly a Chinese to begin with.Had the Malays were the majority Singaporeans than he would have shown and flaunt his Baba credentials.

The problem is that racial politics appeal to vote banks.Hence LKY decided to pitch just for 1 race; and it worked for 50 years and got him the votes.But the same political party cannot show many faces to many races.At least not in this era.Hence if Vivian wants to play the Indians against the Chinese than it befalls on PAP to carry that flag.Now how is it possible for PAP to carry the same flag for Ong Ke Yung if it wishes to carry Vivian's.That is the balancing hard to do.

Therefore,I can only read that PAP is now quite directionless.Because even if Vivian throws his full weight for Indians,how is he gonna face his 75% of Chinese voters?....

Vivian just screwed himself.

 

[kingrant]

I missed your thread as I was travelling. I think what he meant is that if we are against the FT Indians, we would eventually be against the local Indians too who are a minority. VB is a bastard for twisting this.

The Chinese-dominated PAP govt has taken in so many FT Indians - in fact so much so that they exceeded their original racial percentage - that they are edging out the local Malays and indians. The local majority Chinese are up in arms over the whole FT policy which put all our locals -regardless of race or religion - in jeopardy. Again, let me reiterate, VB is a bastard for selling out his Indian roots. The true local Indians can see who is the real traitor.

Viv B made those comments to Sinda ie Indians. Anti FT turning on the minorities cannot be minorities turning on themselves. It could be Malays turning on Indians or vice versa but more likely the majority and that leaves the Chinese.

These are highly inflammable comments to a particular race. If those identical comments were made to the same audience by JBJ, Low, CSJ or anyone else, detention would be the likely consequence as they are ample cases of such actions.

JBJ and company would after one month would give a TV confesssion and the probably end up working for the establishment.

 

[kingrant]

Not exactly right there. The way you have put it demonises David Marshall. He was after all trying to prepare for internal government, and you can't have it if you dont start making preps for taking over from the British masters.

So DM was doing something totally for Singapore. What PAP had done with their FT policy is anathema to us.

Even this PAP FT policy is nothing new either.It's actually a repetition of David Marshall idea of granting citizenship to a half million China born by the stroke of a pen.

 

[kingrant]

You should read Hong Lysa's The scripting of a national history. Harry def wasnt a true Chinese. He spoke no hakka, knew no Chinese culture, language or literature or custom. In his early days he depended a lot on people like Lee Koon Choy, Jek Yuen thong, his Chinese tutor, Ong Pang Boon etc. and of course, his early political victims who turncoated - Chin Siong's brother etc.

In the book, Hong gave an elaborate account of how history was changed again and again as it befitted the PAP's ascendance. Of cos where it suited them, the PAP has truncated history to start with modern Singapore after being kicked out of Malaysia. It became worse after Raja's death. At other times, it decided to open up a bit more into the past until 1819 when Raffles landed. But for "good reason", it always withheld venturing into beyond 1819 for fear of reviving a glorious Malay archipelago and Malay racial past where Sultans were king. Where it was convenient to introduce values to make Singaporeans obedient to authority and the State mandarins, Confucian values were touted. When it became embarassing (when certain aspects of the Confucian beliefs were unsuited for PAP's interests), and also when they went into Asean, they started on Asian values and emphasised less on Confucian ones to integrate with the other Asean neighbours who are not as Chinese as the PAP. So you see, in the search for heroes, and icons, Singapore had a splintered and schizoic past.

Hong Lysa cited examples of fiasco and debacles from the past (let's see how many can recall) to cocreate a Chinese past:

1. The Tang Dynasty Village
2. The recreation of Haw Par Village into a Disneyland
3. the rebuiiding of Nantah and its south gate
4. The Asian civilisation museum etc.

All in all, we had difficulty because PAP didnt want to accept a history emanating from a Malay past, but today has to bend backwards in perpetual atonement for stepping on them all these years.

I don't figure the old man is any Confucianism crazy either.Harry Lee was hardly a Chinese to begin with.Had the Malays were the majority Singaporeans than he would have shown and flaunt his Baba credentials.

 

[kingrant]

It is despicable the extent to which VB will stoop to protect his party's FT policies. He's trying to get people at large to buy the idea that any anti-FT sentiment will hurt the local races too so as to stop us from feeling that way. But what this fucking bastard will never realise, as they all dont, is that those who are anti-FT are a united front who have become anti-PAP becos of the FTs. The PAP is trying dsesperately to save itself.

What a seditious remark by that halfbreed! to me, it smacks of racialism. He was obviously referring to the Singapore Chinese, who is the majority. He also implies that Chinese who are against immigrants may turn against the local minorities, namely the Malay, Indian or Eurasian community. But where is the relevance? is this an anti-Chinese remark? Coming from a full minister and a qualified eye doctor, it is most unbecoming and he is supposed to be a top debater during his university days. The irony is that he is half Chinese (his mother is Chinese married to an Indian and he himself also married a local Chinese). Is he suggesting that his mother and wife are capable of turning against him if they should one day disagree with the immigrant policy?

if any ordinary Singaporean, regardless of his/her race, were to utter similar or related words in a public forum, seminer or even at the Speakers Corner, he/she can be detained under the ISA. Where is the justice?

 

[scroobal]

I kept quiet about Viv B For few days thinking if he was wrongly quoted. A President Scholar and as you pointed out a full cabinet minister and a member of a well respected profession.

Does he even realises that its unusual and unheard of for a cosmopolitan countries to show so much of unhappiness over FTs. Its the indiscriminate admission of any arsehole into this country resulting in job losses, drop in wages, overcrowded country, high HDB prices etc.

I have no idea why the PM even bothered to apologise if his very own minister does not realise that this is the single biggest issue facing the country. Clearly shows that after the elections the cabinet did not bother to discuss at length.

What a seditious remark by that halfbreed! to me, it smacks of racialism. He was obviously referring to the Singapore Chinese, who is the majority. He also implies that Chinese who are against immigrants may turn against the local minorities, namely the Malay, Indian or Eurasian community. But where is the relevance? is this an anti-Chinese remark? Coming from a full minister and a qualified eye doctor, it is most unbecoming and he is supposed to be a top debater during his university days. The irony is that he is half Chinese (his mother is Chinese married to an Indian and he himself also married a local Chinese). Is he suggesting that his mother and wife are capable of turning against him if they should one day disagree with the immigrant policy?

if any ordinary Singaporean, regardless of his/her race, were to utter similar or related words in a public forum, seminer or even at the Speakers Corner, he/she can be detained under the ISA. Where is the justice?

 

[scroobal]

I too wondered why he screwed himself. Was he hoping that 75% of the population will have a memory loss in 2016.

I wish VW and team contest his GRC again and smash this guy.

Therefore,I can only read that PAP is now quite directionless.Because even if Vivian throws his full weight for Indians,how is he gonna face his 75% of Chinese voters?....

Vivian just screwed himself.

 

[scroobal]

This guy is nuts. His integrity is slipping by the day. He is a liability. For a man who has run thus far 2 low key ministries he has landed in more controversy than most. Even Zorro nonsense is trivial in comparison.

It is despicable the extent to which VB will stoop to protect his party's FT policies. He's trying to get people at large to buy the idea that any anti-FT sentiment will hurt the local races too so as to stop us from feeling that way. But what this fucking bastard will never realise, as they all dont, is that those who are anti-FT are a united front who have become anti-PAP becos of the FTs. The PAP is trying dsesperately to save itself.

 

[blueblobster]

This guy is nuts. His integrity is slipping by the day. He is a liability. For a man who has run thus far 2 low key ministries he has landed in more controversy than most. Even Zorro nonsense is trivial in comparison.

Perhaps the only minority we should actively persecute and burn on a stake are greedy, unprincipled male assholes with a woman's name.

 

[kingrant]

The notion of PAP's collective responsibility at work - one for all, and all for one! No wonder both TCH stepped out so soon after BE and Khaw forever extolling FTs.

We ought to sink them all.

This guy is nuts. His integrity is slipping by the day. He is a liability. For a man who has run thus far 2 low key ministries he has landed in more controversy than most. Even Zorro nonsense is trivial in comparison.

 

[halsey02]

This guy is nuts. His integrity is slipping by the day. He is a liability. For a man who has run thus far 2 low key ministries he has landed in more controversy than most. Even Zorro nonsense is trivial in comparison.

We are paying for his incompetence imdirectly, wether we are in that GRC or not. They like to sing the "productivity" song over & over again ( like a broken record), this does not apply to them? only the hapless citizens only? What a joke!, but the joke is always on us!

 

[Nice-Gook]

I too wondered why he screwed himself. Was he hoping that 75% of the population will have a memory loss in 2016.

I wish VW and team contest his GRC again and smash this guy.

It's interesting as why he screwed himself.First,we must shed our own mental image of PAP giants.Perhaps,his aura had expired.Or he is quite lost to the ground realities and started believing PAP lies.There are far too many contradictions.

First,why would SINDA Indians would want to hear from a half Indian who may have no inkling about Indianess?
Secondly Indians discriminate between themselves...in this instance North and South.A divide which even India cannot bridge.This is the major bug among them and not between races.Not because racism never exist between races but local Indians do not require Vivian to tell them about it.And many more.

My bet is that Vivian wanted to warn local Indians not to encourage xenophobia since it can bite them back.But he phrased it wrongly.What was meant to be a warning to local Indians turned racist against the majority race.

Which simply implies that Vivian is not that great as LKY wants us to believe.

 

[Nice-Gook]

All in all, we had difficulty because PAP didnt want to accept a history emanating from a Malay past, but today has to bend backwards in perpetual atonement for stepping on them all these years.

I don't see the point.

Today the Malays are far worse than ever.Totally submerged among the new variety of races PAP brought in.To the extend you see and hear Pinoy more than a local Malay on the street or in our daily dealings.And that PAP had gone so far even to recruit parking wardens in China ;taking over practically all the measly jobs Malays performed.

Malays today are totally and completely obliterated in every sense in Singapore's society.Only the existence of Malay MPs and signs in Malay in public places reminds us that there is still such thing as Malay.

Hence,I simply don't buy that PAP is sorry for what it's doing to the Malays.

 

[kingrant]

Why do you think that Old Man reacted so viscerally to Viswa Sasidharan about retaining special rights for Malays? They are doing on the quiet.

There may be a more Machiavellian motive to be sure. Like the potential for trouble-making from the govt in the north if the Malays' interests are really hurt due to to baggage from the merger split. We live in a sea of Muslim countries. Not a coastal city in China. But the PAP doesnt want to get started on that again.

Hence,I simply don't buy that PAP is sorry for what it's doing to the Malays.