Why don't Singapore PROMOTE Teochew, Hokkien, Hakka, Wu, Gan speaking movie and songs

[Conqueror]

Old English Is The Second Oldest ?

Watashi in Japanese is I. Wa in Japanese is just a grammatical particle just like am. Therefore, watashi wa in Japanese means I am. In languages using Chinese characters, many characters can be used for I. 我、唔、私、俺、僕、阮 etc. depending on regional culture.

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I suspect that too - too good to be true. That's why it is good to have people who knows the things from the other corner of the earth to chip in some idea regarding a certain mystery like as in this case. Japanese, Korean, Thai, Hmong, even Burmese or Cambodian will be handy for such discussion and study.

The King James 1611 is in this format (not your usual English) :

I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me aout of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.

 

[Conqueror]

Tang Was The Old Jin Word

Official Language of Han? Possibly Hakka or Teochew
Official language of Tang? Most likely Cantonese
Official language of Song? Hokkien
Official language of Yuan? mandarin
Official language of Ming? Mandarin from Nanjing
Official language of Qing? mandarin

that guy believes Hakka was the official language of Tang.

think is
Han - Hokkien
Tang - Cantonese
Song - Cantonese
Ming - Nanjing dialect then Mandarin

With some valid information, we can triangulate the position of the actual language during the Tang Dynasty. Poem is a great way to find out rhyming words but it isn't enough to pinpoint the right language.

I do have remind you that the word 唐郎 Dherng Lung (Hokkien) or Nung (Teochew) the word 唐 Dherng (Tang) was the old word for 晋 Jin (new) as in 晋国 the state of Jin. The capital city was 洛阳 Loyang in 河南 Henan province. And Henan was the 中 central and the cradle of 'all' the Chinese civilization. Therefore the 中原 central plain became the 中国 middle kingdom.

唐侬 Dhoong Noieng in Foochowese is like the Shanghainese who call themselves 上海侬. The common word is 唐 again. Both the 广东 Cantonese and the 客家 Hakka (guests) did not claim that. Agree with that ?

Let's look into Cantonese in ancient times, in different dynasties, different names were given to 南广 Vast (land of the) South and 南汉 South Han. The Vast South was the united Guangdong and Guangxi. So, why it was also called South Han but not South Tang instead ? Why was 蜀汉 Shu Han doing in Chengdu ? Why Cantonese had adopted or was affected by the Shu kingdom language ? Why the Cantonese like their lions in their lion dances liken to the Romance of the 3 Kingdoms' Shu Han heroes ? Why not in Fujian ? Why did the north 少林寺 Shao Lin temple in Henan decided to establish another in the south in Hokkien and not Canton in the past ? You triangulate and tell me the 'truth'.

Han = Cantonese

Tang = Hokkien, Teochew and Foochowese.

 

[Mercury]

Re: Why don't Singapore PROMOTE Teochew, Hokkien, Hakka, Wu, Gan speaking movie and s

Why don't we sign an petition to demand our movies to be in our native dialect?

 

[Neilsome]

Re: Why don't Singapore PROMOTE Teochew, Hokkien, Hakka, Wu, Gan speaking movie and s

Most sinkie kids can't speak their native dialects.

 

[callmebad]

Re: Why don't Singapore PROMOTE Teochew, Hokkien, Hakka, Wu, Gan speaking movie and s

All this Speak Mandarin Campaign is just crap.
It only succeeds in destroying our precious dialects with their colorful meanings, tones, rhythm.
After so many years of promoting Mandarin, I don't see the standard of Mandarin has improved considerably.
You look at the young, how many of them can speak a full sentence of proper Mandarin.
Most of the time, their sentences are punctured by few words of English here and there.
We are speaking the kind of Singlish that neither white men nor mainland Chinese can understand us.
The saying that dialects can affect the learning of Mandarin is bullshit, because I'm a clear example.
Gone are the days when Singaporeans used to be very talented and could speak various dialects plus Malays that even mainland Chinese are quite impressed.
MIW does a very wonderful job in destroying Chinese culture, even forcefully closing down the Nantah University.
Their rule has this affect of making us look stupid in front of foreigners.

 

[Forvendet]

Re: Why don't Singapore PROMOTE Teochew, Hokkien, Hakka, Wu, Gan speaking movie and s

Why don't we sign an petition to demand our movies to be in our native dialect?

We should sign a petition to demand all movies and TV programs to be in English or dubbed in English.

 

[Mercury]

Re: Tang Was The Old Jin Word

With some valid information, we can triangulate the position of the actual language during the Tang Dynasty. Poem is a great way to find out rhyming words but it isn't enough to pinpoint the right language.

I do have remind you that the word 唐郎 Dherng Lung (Hokkien) or Nung (Teochew) the word 唐 Dherng (Tang) was the old word for 晋 Jin (new) as in 晋国 the state of Jin. The capital city was 洛阳 Loyang in 河南 Henan province. And Henan was the 中 central and the cradle of 'all' the Chinese civilization. Therefore the 中原 central plain became the 中国 middle kingdom.

唐侬 Dhoong Noieng in Foochowese is like the Shanghainese who call themselves 上海侬. The common word is 唐 again. Both the 广东 Cantonese and the 客家 Hakka (guests) did not claim that. Agree with that ?

Let's look into Cantonese in ancient times, in different dynasties, different names were given to 南广 Vast (land of the) South and 南汉 South Han. The Vast South was the united Guangdong and Guangxi. So, why it was also called South Han but not South Tang instead ? Why was 蜀汉 Shu Han doing in Chengdu ? Why Cantonese had adopted or was affected by the Shu kingdom language ? Why the Cantonese like their lions in their lion dances liken to the Romance of the 3 Kingdoms' Shu Han heroes ? Why not in Fujian ? Why did the north 少林寺 Shao Lin temple in Henan decided to establish another in the south in Hokkien and not Canton in the past ? You triangulate and tell me the 'truth'.

Han = Cantonese

Tang = Hokkien, Teochew and Foochowese.

Hokkien = Han

Tang = Cantonese

Yue pronunciation and vocabulary are quite similar to the official language of the Tang dynasty and preserved many elements from the Middle Chinese that was spoken during the Tang dynasty.[8] Dialectologists believe that migrants and exiled officials from the heart of the Tang brought their dialect to Guangdong. Remoteness and inefficient transport to Guangdong created an environment in which the language remained largely intact after it arrived. "

" Cantonese retains a flavor of these archaic and ancient languages, and it has been used to help with linguistic reconstruction"

" compared with the dialects of many other provinces, Cantonese came closer to Sui and Tang dynasty pronunciation, "

" Cantonese is possibly the closest dialect to the official language of Tang dynasty"

South China Morning Post. [2009] (2009). 11, October. "Linguistic heritage in peril". By Chloe Lai.
Unity and diversity: local cultures and identities in China - Tao Tao Liu, David Faure

 

[Mercury]

Re: Why don't Singapore PROMOTE Teochew, Hokkien, Hakka, Wu, Gan speaking movie and s

All this Speak Mandarin Campaign is just crap.
It only succeeds in destroying our precious dialects with their colorful meanings, tones, rhythm.
After so many years of promoting Mandarin, I don't see the standard of Mandarin has improved considerably.
You look at the young, how many of them can speak a full sentence of proper Mandarin.
Most of the time, their sentences are punctured by few words of English here and there.
We are speaking the kind of Singlish that neither white men nor mainland Chinese can understand us.
The saying that dialects can affect the learning of Mandarin is bullshit, because I'm a clear example.
Gone are the days when Singaporeans used to be very talented and could speak various dialects plus Malays that even mainland Chinese are quite impressed.
MIW does a very wonderful job in destroying Chinese culture, even forcefully closing down the Nantah University.
Their rule has this affect of making us look stupid in front of foreigners.

Exactly!

I'm waiting for the day an hero come out to protect our native dialects.

 

[The_Hypocrite]

Re: Tang Was The Old Jin Word

Hokkien = Han

Tang = Cantonese

Yue pronunciation and vocabulary are quite similar to the official language of the Tang dynasty and preserved many elements from the Middle Chinese that was spoken during the Tang dynasty.[8] Dialectologists believe that migrants and exiled officials from the heart of the Tang brought their dialect to Guangdong. Remoteness and inefficient transport to Guangdong created an environment in which the language remained largely intact after it arrived. "

" Cantonese retains a flavor of these archaic and ancient languages, and it has been used to help with linguistic reconstruction"

" compared with the dialects of many other provinces, Cantonese came closer to Sui and Tang dynasty pronunciation, "

" Cantonese is possibly the closest dialect to the official language of Tang dynasty"

South China Morning Post. [2009] (2009). 11, October. "Linguistic heritage in peril". By Chloe Lai.
Unity and diversity: local cultures and identities in China - Tao Tao Liu, David Faure

This proves that the Cantonese Language is the true language of the Chinese and not that Mandarin crap that the Northern Locust speak...this also proves that the Northern Locust are not true Han Chinese but some bastardised race of mixed mongolians, manchurians and what every barbarian races that occupied the north...No wonder the Beijing govt keeps promoting mandarin..if not they will not be able to rule china proper...guess the Chinese have really been conquered by the manchurian barbarians since the Northern Locust believe that Mandarin is the true language of the Chinese...they got sold the greatest barbarian con-job.

 

[Mercury]

Re: Tang Was The Old Jin Word

No, this proves that the official language of China standard Mandarin which was based from the Beijing dialect was influenced and imposed by Manchus invaders. The northern accent and pronunciation of Mandarin words is due to Manchus influence. In terms of genetics, Northern Han Chinese are somewhat closer to Han Chinese but they are all mixed with Altaic to an certain degree. The real pure Han Chinese are from the Central China.

All southern Han Chinese have Han Chinese ancestry genetically but most are closer to southern aborigines. The real true aborigines are the Pingua and Tanka, genetic shows they have no Han Chinese blood or DNA. Cantonese, Hokkien, Hakka are closer to aborigines than Han. Teochew is slightly closer to Han than aborigines, but only against Han from Guangdong and Fujian, Guangxi. Someone from Hunan is more Han Chinese than Teochew. The most Han Chinese are the Wu speaking people, they are closer to Han with some admixture of aborigines. Most Han Chinese are not of pure origins.

Based from the genetic map.

No Han Chinese DNA and assimilated - Tanka and Pingua

Southern Chinese han ancestry on average - Hokkien 42%, Hakka 38%, Teochew 52%, Cantonese 31%, Wu people 70%

 

[3_M]

Re: Why don't Singapore PROMOTE Teochew, Hokkien, Hakka, Wu, Gan speaking movie and s

Mandarin policy is the pet project of LKY and no minister will dare to reverse this policy as long as old fart is still alive. And that includes allowing dialects on national TV.

Only exception was Dialect songs for charity shows and that subjected to approval from MDA and usually not more than 2 songs allow.

 

[Liquigas]

Re: Why don't Singapore PROMOTE Teochew, Hokkien, Hakka, Wu, Gan speaking movie and s

The cradle of Chinese civilization is the Yellow River basin. The pure Han Chinese are those living in the north and the cental Chinese plain. People of south China are not of pure Han stock but a hybrid when Han people from the north migrated south to escape war & famine and intermixed with the natives. The Hakkas being late comers to south China probably carry more Han blood in their veins than the people who are already living in Guangdong and Fujian for centuries. Believe the Teochews too are late comers arriving from north China and are like the Hakkas more Han. If one were to visit Taiwan will be able to spot the difference between the natives living in southern Taiwan (settlers from Fujian) and those coming from Taipei (mainlanders). The mainlanders who are of pure Han stock are likely to be taller, fairer abd the girls are prettier.

 

[The_Hypocrite]

Re: Why don't Singapore PROMOTE Teochew, Hokkien, Hakka, Wu, Gan speaking movie and s

All this Speak Mandarin Campaign is just crap.
It only succeeds in destroying our precious dialects with their colorful meanings, tones, rhythm.
After so many years of promoting Mandarin, I don't see the standard of Mandarin has improved considerably.
You look at the young, how many of them can speak a full sentence of proper Mandarin.
Most of the time, their sentences are punctured by few words of English here and there.
We are speaking the kind of Singlish that neither white men nor mainland Chinese can understand us.
The saying that dialects can affect the learning of Mandarin is bullshit, because I'm a clear example.
Gone are the days when Singaporeans used to be very talented and could speak various dialects plus Malays that even mainland Chinese are quite impressed.
MIW does a very wonderful job in destroying Chinese culture, even forcefully closing down the Nantah University.
Their rule has this affect of making us look stupid in front of foreigners.

You are very right bro, if there was no Speak Mandarin Crap campaign, I would not have hated mandarin and northern mandarin locust that much. I agree that Dialects do help one learn Mandarin better. For example, Cantonese has more tones than mandarin, a good cantonese speaker would have learn mandarin easily...and since all dialects are equal,,there would be minimal disdain for mandarin,,,but by mandarin speakers going out to destroy dialects like what the CCP is doing in Canton,,there is bound to be outright hatred as its destroying ones heritage. What right do the Northern Locusts have to do that? Eventhough they can be classified as Han Chinese, they are speaking a bastardised manchurian language. Even worse, they are proud that they defeated the Manchurians..in truth, the Manchurians have already conquered the Han Chinese the moment the Han Chinese open their mouths and speak mandarin.

 

[The_Hypocrite]

Re: Why don't Singapore PROMOTE Teochew, Hokkien, Hakka, Wu, Gan speaking movie and s

The cradle of Chinese civilization is the Yellow River basin. The pure Han Chinese are those living in the north and the cental Chinese plain. People of south China are not of pure Han stock but a hybrid when Han people from the north migrated south to escape war & famine and intermixed with the natives. The Hakkas being late comers to south China probably carry more Han blood in their veins than the people who are already living in Guangdong and Fujian for centuries. Believe the Teochews too are late comers arriving from north China and are like the Hakkas more Han. If one were to visit Taiwan will be able to spot the difference between the natives living in southern Taiwan (settlers from Fujian) and those coming from Taipei (mainlanders). The mainlanders who are of pure Han stock are likely to be taller, fairer abd the girls are prettier.

So basically what you are saying is the pure bred Han Chinese cant even speak the proper Han Language as they are speaking a Manchurian Developed language? So they are Han Chinese in breeding but have followed the language of their once conquerors.. ??? Talk about Irony

 

[Ramseth]

Re: Why don't Singapore PROMOTE Teochew, Hokkien, Hakka, Wu, Gan speaking movie and s

So basically what you are saying is the pure bred Han Chinese cant even speak the proper Han Language as they are speaking a Manchurian Developed language? So they are Han Chinese in breeding but have followed the language of their once conquerors.. ??? Talk about Irony

There's no such thing as a pure Han stock. China and Chinese began 5,000 years ago with various tribes between Yellow and Yangtze rivers going through various feudal and dynastic systems.. Han Dynasty was founded 2,000 years ago. For example, Confucius was certainly not a Han Chinese. Han wasn't founded yet in his days, but Han literature and culture were built around him. Westerners recognise Qin (Chin) Dynasty as the unifying dynasty of ancient China, hence the name China. That's technically correct since before Qin dynasty, China was a federation of feudal kingdoms.

However, to Chinese themselves, Qin lasted only two emperors, too short an era to leave a mark. Xiang Yu (Bawang King of West Chu) and Liu Bang (peasant rebel leader) fought over China as left behnd by Qin dynasty. Xiang Yu had conquered almost every inch of land east of Chu. On the upperhand, Xiang Yu made the mistake of offering Liu Bang a truce and the land further west of Chu, called Hanzhong (basically landlocked semi-desert no-man's land in those days), also in honor of a promise made during their alliance to overthrow Qin. Liu Bang was in no position to refuse but wondered out loud, where the hell is Hanzhong?

That turned out to be the base from which he counter attacked and overthrew Xiang Yu to found the Han dynasty. Han left it's name and mark on Chinese civilisation as it lasted 24 emperors until the 3 Kingdoms era. Had Xiang Yu won, we'd be Chu Chinese today speaking in Chu'yu Pin'yin, not Han'yu Pin'yin.

The Mandarin Chinese today is not a Manchurian dialect. It's from ancient Yanjing dialect. Manchurians have their own language, i.e. Manchurian. But being in north-east China and half of them carrying bloodline from ancient warring state of Zhao, they were effectively bilingual in Manchurian and their nearest Chinese dialect, that of Yanjing (a.k.a. Beiping a.k.a. Beijing). When they conquered Ming dynasty, ironically, Manchurian language died with them declaring the Beijing dialect as official language of the Qing dynasty empire to integrate and appease Han Chinese. Qing Emperor Kangxi commissioned the first Chinese dictionary.

 

[Jah_rastafar_I]

Re: Why don't Singapore PROMOTE Teochew, Hokkien, Hakka, Wu, Gan speaking movie and s

wow ah ram how did you know all of this? Where did you learn all of this from? Yes it makes yes about qin and the name of china.

 

[The_Hypocrite]

Re: Why don't Singapore PROMOTE Teochew, Hokkien, Hakka, Wu, Gan speaking movie and s

wow ah ram how did you know all of this? Where did you learn all of this from? Yes it makes yes about qin and the name of china.

Yes, Ah Ram is really power,,,,kudos to Ramseth

 

[Conqueror]

How Can This Be ?

[video=youtube;sVw9iyq59zo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVw9iyq59zo&feature=related[/video]

Hokkien = Han

Tang = Cantonese

Listen carefully, how can this be Cantonese ?

 

[Conqueror]

You Are Trying To Sell Cantonese Ah ?

This proves that the Cantonese Language is the true language of the Chinese and not that Mandarin crap that the Northern Locust speak...this also proves that the Northern Locust are not true Han Chinese but some bastardised race of mixed mongolians, manchurians and what every barbarian races that occupied the north...No wonder the Beijing govt keeps promoting mandarin..if not they will not be able to rule china proper...guess the Chinese have really been conquered by the manchurian barbarians since the Northern Locust believe that Mandarin is the true language of the Chinese...they got sold the greatest barbarian con-job.

In the ancient time, both F and V sounds DO NOT exist in true Han languages. How did it appear ? Not sure whether it was strictly only in Qin related languages' characteristic.

 

[Jah_rastafar_I]

Re: Why don't Singapore PROMOTE Teochew, Hokkien, Hakka, Wu, Gan speaking movie and s

Yes, Ah Ram is really power,,,,kudos to Ramseth

yeah i actually learnt new shit from him.