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Why don't Singapore PROMOTE Teochew, Hokkien, Hakka, Wu, Gan speaking movie and songs

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Midland has nothing to do with it. It was to maintain racial harmony. Both Singapore and Indonesia endorse this principle. Midland does not.

What racial harmony are you talking about?

I understand sg's thing but not indon's.
 

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Re: Northern Barbarians

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The ancestors of Neanderthals left Africa about 400,000 to 800,000 years ago. The Neanderthals were already in Europe when they went south and met the migrating modern humans that were coming out of the east of Africa about 80,000 to 50,000 years ago. They went extinct, or were simply absorbed into the modern human population, about 30,000 years ago. The Chinese are non-Africans of course. Africans do NOT have the Neanderthals' DNA.

The most complex DNAs should be the road junctions - Egypt and India. No wonder they had the earliest civilisations.

It's said that africans are the only humans with no netheral dna and of course chinese have them. Do you disagree?
 

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The ancestors of Neanderthals left Africa about 400,000 to 800,000 years ago. The Neanderthals were already in Europe when they went south and met the migrating modern humans that were coming out of the east of Africa about 80,000 to 50,000 years ago. They went extinct, or were simply absorbed into the modern human population, about 30,000 years ago. The Chinese are non-Africans of course. Africans do NOT have the Neanderthals' DNA.

The most complex DNAs should be the road junctions - Egypt and India. No wonder they had the earliest civilisations.

Mesopotamia (now Iraq) had the earliest civilization on record, the cradle of civilization. Then followed by Sumeria and Assyria (now various middle eastern countries), then Persia (now Iran), then Egypt, then Ethiopia then Greece, then India, then China, then Rome. Those collectively defined what was ancient civilization. All those ancient races had been extinct except for Jews and Chinese maintaining clearly traceable and distinguishable ethnic lineage from thousands of years ago. The Egyptians today are Arabs, not the same as ancient Egyptians. If China was started with migrants from Africa, there're more likely to be from ancient Egyptian tribes. Ancient Egypt and China shared many things in common. Pictographic writing systems - Egyptian hierogyphics and Chinese characters; practically all other countries used phoenetic writing systems. Few fully bearded except goateed, as can be seen in ancient paintings. Grandiose stone buildings, the pyramids (mausoleums) and the Great Wall and other Chinese mausoleums for kings and emperors, who claimed to represent heaven and god on earth.

What racial harmony are you talking about?

I understand sg's thing but not indon's.

Malay as a race means Malay as native in West Malaya and Singapore. Malay as a language family includes Malay, the various regional dialects of Malaysia (Borneo), Indonesia (Java, Kalimantan, Sumatra etc.) and even Pinoy Tagalog. Bahasa Indonesia was only systemized and officialized after WW2 based on the Bahasa Melayu model. These two are practically the same except Indonesia has a repertoire of native vocabulary and entrenched Dutch loanwords. Tagalog developed the other way with Spanish and American influence, and of course Catholic influence instead of Arab Muslim influence.
 
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Re: Why don't Singapore PROMOTE Teochew, Hokkien, Hakka, Wu, Gan speaking movie and s

Malay as a race means Malay as native in West Malaya and Singapore. Malay as a language family includes Malay, the various regional dialects of Malaysia (Borneo), Indonesia (Java, Kalimantan, Sumatra etc.) and even Pinoy Tagalog. Bahasa Indonesia was only systemized and officialized after WW2 based on the Bahasa Melayu model. These two are practically the same except Indonesia has a repertoire of native vocabulary and entrenched Dutch loanwords. Tagalog developed the other way with Spanish and American influence, and of course Catholic influence instead of Arab Muslim influence.


Ok i get it now. But didn't fook seng say that javanese isn't malay?
 

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Jah_rastafar_I said:
Ok i get it now. But didn't fook seng say that javanese isn't malay?

Bahasa Indonesia was taken from the standardized Malay of Riau with strong affinity to the Malay spoken in Singapore and Malaysia. Javanese is a local dialect of Java and is more distant.
 
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Bahasa Indonesia was taken from the standardized Malay of Riau with strong affinity to the Malay spoken in Singapore and Malaysia. Javanese is a local dialect of Java and is more distant.

So they chose indonesian over javanese cos of some BS racial harmony? Was there vote on it like cantonese and mandarin in china?
 

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Mesopotamia (now Iraq) had the earliest civilization on record, the cradle of civilization. Then followed by Sumeria and Assyria (now various middle eastern countries), then Persia (now Iran), then Egypt, then Ethiopia then Greece, then India, then China, then Rome. Those collectively defined what was ancient civilization. All those ancient races had been extinct except for Jews and Chinese maintaining clearly traceable and distinguishable ethnic lineage from thousands of years ago. The Egyptians today are Arabs, not the same as ancient Egyptians. If China was started with migrants from Africa, there're more likely to be from ancient Egyptian tribes. Ancient Egypt and China shared many things in common. Pictographic writing systems - Egyptian hierogyphics and Chinese characters; practically all other countries used phoenetic writing systems. Few fully bearded except goateed, as can be seen in ancient paintings. Grandiose stone buildings, the pyramids (mausoleums) and the Great Wall and other Chinese mausoleums for kings and emperors, who claimed to represent heaven and god on earth.

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Egypt was taken over by angmoh DNA people before. And there was a time a negroid dynasty when most of the time they were slaves to angmohs type in the past. Many dynasties, like Manchus and Mongolians in China which were non-Han or non-Chinese ruled China for some time. Maybe, these angmohs were displaced and they moved to the north when the weather got warmer and the land became dryer.


In Predynastic and Early Dynastic times, the Egyptian climate was much less arid than it is today. Large regions of Egypt were covered in treed savanna and traversed by herds of grazing ungulates. Foliage and fauna were far more prolific in all environs and the Nile region supported large populations of waterfowl. Hunting would have been common for Egyptians, and this is also the period when many animals were first domesticated.[11]

By about 5500 BC, small tribes living in the Nile valley had developed into a series of cultures demonstrating firm control of agriculture and animal husbandry, and identifiable by their pottery and personal items, such as combs, bracelets, and beads. The largest of these early cultures in upper Egypt, the Badari, was known for its high quality ceramics, stone tools, and its use of copper.[12]

In Northern Egypt, the Badari was followed by Amratian and Gerzean cultures,[13] which brought a number of technological improvements. In Gerzian times, early evidence exists of contact with Canaan and the Byblos coast.[14]
 

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his hokkien sounds so singaporeanish but i doubt that performance was held in sinkie.
ok i hear some local phrases i doubt it's held in sg so it must have been held in mudland.

It was held in Medan in Sumatra. Singapore will never allow such performances. The man-in-blue will not hesitate to invite him to perform in the Magistrate Court or Changi.

Now you understand why Hokkien should not be promoted as the lingua franca for the Chinese! The most the Beijing professor can chide the Hongkonger are "dogs" or "running dogs", while the Hongkongers can scold the mainlander "locusts" - not KNNBCCB or the like.

PS Can anyone explain why the video links turned into an exclamation mark? They were meant for forummers here to enjoy.
 
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Jah_rastafar_I said:
So they chose indonesian over javanese cos of some BS racial harmony? Was there vote on it like cantonese and mandarin in china?

If put to a vote, Javanese would win outright and thereafter there would be racial riots or most likely the country would be broken up by languages. Surprisingly in China, Mandarin and Mandarin variant dialects are spoken by 40% of the population, much larger than any of the other dialects and historically had been the language of the imperial court. Choosing Mandarin was a status quo decision.
 
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Re: Why don't Singapore PROMOTE Teochew, Hokkien, Hakka, Wu, Gan speaking movie and s

It was held in Medan in Sumatra. Singapore will never allow such performances. The man-in-blue will not hesitate to invite him to perform in the Magistrate Court or Changi.

Now you understand why Hokkien should not be promoted as the lingua franca for the Chinese! The most the Beijing professor can chide the Hongkonger are "dogs" or "running dogs", while the Hongkongers can scold the mainlander "locusts" - not KNNBCCB or the like.

PS Can anyone explain why the video links turned into an exclamation mark? They were meant for forummers here to enjoy.

Yes, the Hong Kong Cantonese have more style and substance..not like the Hokkeins...anyway Hokkein or Cantonese will never be the lingua Franca of China as its Mandarin is the dominant language be it we like it or not. But I know In HK..and Macau..Cantonese will be around for a long time as its the closest language to Ancient Chinese...And Cantonese people have pride.

To study ancient chinese manuscripts etc..its read in Cantonese sounds better and make sense in contrast to saying it in Mandarin.

Mandarin is the language of the Barbarian Invaders from the North..stupid northern locust still think they are Chinese bcos they speak Mandarin...they are too fucked up to admit that due to the language that they speak..make them the conquered people of the Northern Barbarians
 
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Re: Why don't Singapore PROMOTE Teochew, Hokkien, Hakka, Wu, Gan speaking movie and s

Yes, the Hong Kong Cantonese have more style and substance..not like the Hokkeins...anyway Hokkein or Cantonese will never be the lingua Franca of China as its Mandarin is the dominant language be it we like it or not. But I know In HK..and Macau..Cantonese will be around for a long time as its the closest language to Ancient Chinese...And Cantonese people have pride.

To study ancient chinese manuscripts etc..its read in Cantonese sounds better and make sense in contrast to saying it in Mandarin.

Mandarin is the language of the Barbarian Invaders from the North..stupid northern locust still think they are Chinese bcos they speak Mandarin...they are too fucked up to admit that due to the language that they speak..make them the conquered people of the Northern Barbarians

Where does mandarin get most of its roots from?
 

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Re: Why don't Singapore PROMOTE Teochew, Hokkien, Hakka, Wu, Gan speaking movie and s

Yes, the Hong Kong Cantonese have more style and substance..not like the Hokkeins...anyway Hokkein or Cantonese will never be the lingua Franca of China as its Mandarin is the dominant language be it we like it or not. But I know In HK..and Macau..Cantonese will be around for a long time as its the closest language to Ancient Chinese...And Cantonese people have pride.

Mandarin is the language of the Barbarian Invaders from the North..stupid northern locust still think they are Chinese bcos they speak Mandarin...they are too fucked up to admit that due to the language that they speak..make them the conquered people of the Northern Barbarians

Mandarin is also an ancient dialect of China.

it's more exact to say the Manchu language greatly influenced the Beijing dialect.
the Manchu language, Nanjing ( Wu ) dialect and Beijing dialect all influenced each others during Qing occupied Beijing which eventually developed into today Beijing Mandarin.
 

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The Manchurians

The only thing the Manchus can claim is that at the end of the Qinq Dynasty, the Emperor declared Mandarin as the national language. So in a way, the Manchus were no different from PAP who made Mandarin one of the official languages of Singapore. Did PAP have anything to do with the origin of Mandarin? Far from it.
 

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The only thing the Manchus can claim is that at the end of the Qinq Dynasty, the Emperor declared Mandarin as the national language. So in a way, the Manchus were no different from PAP who made Mandarin one of the official languages of Singapore. Did PAP have anything to do with the origin of Mandarin? Far from it.


Did you hear Lee speak any form of dialect like Hakka ? Sad case. He had already potong his dicky since young like Cheng Ho.
 

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Mandarin Is A Barbarized Han Language

Mandarin is also an ancient dialect of China.

it's more exact to say the Manchu language greatly influenced the Beijing dialect.
the Manchu language, Nanjing ( Wu ) dialect and Beijing dialect all influenced each others during Qing occupied Beijing which eventually developed into today Beijing Mandarin.


Sideswipe is also right. It is still a Han language but the difference is that it had lost most of its ancient tones to be really considered as a 'real' Chinese language. A 胡化汉语 to be exact.
 

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It is still a Han language but the difference is that it had lost most of its ancient tones to be really considered as a 'real' Chinese language. A 胡化汉语 to be exact.

Mongol language ( Yuan ) influenced the Beijing dialect then the Nanjing Wu Mandarin begun to influence the Beijing dialect ( Ming )...

in general, all dialects of China evolved over time into newer forms as compared to ancient ages. did Cantonese and Vietnamese influenced each other?
 

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Sideswipe is also right. It is still a Han language but the difference is that it had lost most of its ancient tones to be really considered as a 'real' Chinese language. A 胡化汉语 to be exact.

The difference is the mandarin that China is speaking today was the same kind of mandarin, that the Manchus imposed on the Han Chinese by force. And that is what pisses me off. How disgusting that we make an Manchu influence dialect our national language. When other dialects are all older but are restricted for this mandarin crap.
 

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Mandarin and its family of related dialects are spoken by almost a billion people in northern and southwestern China. The dorminant role of Mandarin cannot be denied. Can it be replaced by Shanghainese, Hokkien or Cantonese as the national language? Obviously no right? Also, it was the language of the Han Chinese long before the arrival of foreign Mongol/Manchu invaders.

Some Chinese people particularly the northerners do not consider the southern provinces of Fujian, Guangdong and Guangxi as part of China proper. This is so because these regions are populated by people who are not of pure Han stock but by a mix race between immigrant Han Chinese from the north and local Yue tribes. Their custom, cuisine and opera are different from those of the north. The southern dialects and mandarin have low intelligibility. These southern regions play little or no part in Chinese history. Can anyone name any significant historical event in China or personality that originated from the south?
 
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