YPAP Sear Hock Rong is a people's man!

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[halsey02]

Which people? people of the Republic of SINgapore, or People's Republic of China, Bangladesh, India, Phillippine, Mynamar, Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Indonesia & MALAYSIA????

 

[Leongsam]

He may be a people's man but he's freakin butt ugly.

 

[eatshitndie]

reminds me of...

 

[scroobal]

After reading this article, I think he genuinely does not know what a conflict of interest is. He must have immersed himself so deeply within the PAP and grassroots that he thinks that its a norm and acceptable to make money from such activities.

Many years ago, I heard about some taxi-drivers who will not take money when ferrying the disabled etc. I even recall the ex-research scientist PRC chap that is driving a taxi and he giving money to an elderly lady.

Who do you think has the moral compass?

 

[General Veers]

He may be a people's man but he's freakin butt ugly.

In other words Kan Si Lang Ugly!

 

[kingrant]

This is the type of grass roots card carriers that Old Man likes. Not surprising he will be/ was behind Eunos GRC's election campaigns. His political masters will likely devise some disingenuous way to cover him or diffuse the hoopla before the excrement hit the airconditioning. This feature in Spring newsletter already shows that the propaganda lie machine is starting to churn now to deflect the flak. The YPAP leaders will probably relook at the wisdom of laundering dirty linen publicly via their online fora format and will also likely try to moderate such things out of the public eye.

Community centres were formed as a counter to party branches which got all hijacked by the Barisan in the heydays, and PA was et up as an umbrella org for these CCs. So strictly a PAP game reserve safari park. Still, Opp MPs shld pry open the PA's pandora box and all the skeletons in the grassroot orgs' closets. Have to make a case whether such groupings are still relevant in today's sterile environment and shld still be retained. Will not be easy but one way is to plant moles to gather incriminating evidence of wrong doing and then blow the whistle.

 

[scroobal]

I absolutely agree. PA is where the primary problem is. Opposition should demand for accountability and dismantling of this govt body which in perception and deed is a PAP party machinary.

Still, Opp MPs shld pry open the PA's pandora box and all the skeletons in the grassroot orgs' closets. Have to make a case whether such groupings are still relevant in today's sterile environment and shld still be retained. Will not be easy but one way is to plant moles to gather incriminating evidence of wrong doing and then blow the whistle.

 

[QXD]

Dashingly handsome.....for an Orc

 

[ChaoPappyPoodle]

I absolutely agree. PA is where the primary problem is. Opposition should demand for accountability and dismantling of this govt body which in perception and deed is a PAP party machinary.

The alternative parties should stay away from calling for the dismantling of any government structure as part of their agenda. Such a call will result in the propaganda machinery going into full swing to support any PAP/government establishment and end up with an accusation that the alternative parties are out to destroy Singapore.

We seem to look at their failures but not ours and that is the cause for all the alternative parties failuires.

Any cleanup must come only after an election is won. Till then the alternative parties biggest job is to convince voters that they and not the PAP should govern Singapore.

By all means, use this as an example of slack and dangerous act of governance on the part of the PAP but don't scare the voters. Civil servants, the minority races etc, they all have to be assured that their jobs will not belostifthePAPlost. Instead, assure them that as long as they perform,they will be kept. Singapore needs everyone and the alternative parties, more than the PAP, needs Singaporeans because the alternative parties believe in Singaopreans.

 

[scroobal]

What do you think the PA does - manage community centres to handle badminton court bookings? Dismantling of PA is to allow for a much freer and fairer elections. PA is the defacto PAP infrastructure to recruit PAP members, provides facilities for activities that are advantageous to the PAP in securing victory in elections. All in the guise of building grassroots organisation.

Not asking for dismantling any other government structure such as airport, parliament, HDB etc.

The alternative parties should stay away from calling for the dismantling of any government structure as part of their agenda. Such a call will result in the propaganda machinery going into full swing to support any PAP/government establishment and end up with an accusation that the alternative parties are out to destroy Singapore.

 

[kingrant]

If this happens during the 1960s, and the PA is Chin Siong's faction, the Old Man will cry foul and accuse it of being a breeding ground for Communists, and subversion, and move against it and order another Op Cold Store to arrest and detain key leaders without trial under ISA.

The way he broke up SATU et al.

In the hubris of an Opp election victory into govt, fixing PAP and all the structures like PA is a no-brainer. But we can't wait for that to happen, because victory may again eludes us. The Opp needs ammo to fight its battles. When Old Man was only a lone Assemblyman in 1955(?) or so, he was digging out the shit and making a stink of everyone. With him, you must fight no-holds barred. Every little sin has to be dug out and exposed. Of course, he'll be out to impose his credibility and to tell white lies and give excuses like lofty noble aims of cementing govt-people relationships for racial and communal harmony, and if all else fails, scare the people that the alternative is chaos.

Even if the opp didnt succeed, they wld have unearthed a can of possible worms, and at least force the govt to squirm at the prospect of being roasted.

 

[ChaoPappyPoodle]

What do you think the PA does - manage community centres to handle badminton court bookings? Dismantling of PA is to allow for a much freer and fairer elections. PA is the defacto PAP infrastructure to recruit PAP members, provides facilities for activities that are advantageous to the PAP in securing victory in elections. All in the guise of building grassroots organisation.

Not asking for dismantling any other government structure such as airport, parliament, HDB etc.

I am reminded of previous calls for the dismantling of RCs as well and that didn't turn out well. THe PA should be dismantled or perhaps evolved into something else but only ater an election is won and all the vile things it has done is made apparent to the populace.

To call for the dismantling of the PA or any other garment structure as part of an election agenda is suicidal and hence foolish.

Firstly, you don't want to give the pappies any ammunition to shoot against you as they have full control over the media that reaches out to an aging population that are not attuned to the Net for alternative sources for information.

When electioneering comes, the pappies have nothing against the alternative parties other than (1) the quality of the alternative party's candidates (2) that the alternative party's candidates only appear during election time.

On the other hand, the PAPies have to bear the brunt of their mistakes for the last many years.

So, when an election is called, the PAPies are actually fighting against a huge tide while the alternative parties have less to fight against. The alternative parties should target the weak points of the PAPies and the coming elections provides more than enough ammunition to use against the PAPies.

One false move and the entire 154th and the intellectually dishonest PAPies will go into full swing. So, Don't give the PAPies any ammunition to use because they actually have very little. From the onset, they are on the defensive and it should stay this way.

You don't have to call for the dismantling of the PA. ALl you need to do is to highlight the deficiencies and absurd management practices of the PA. Dig out more info on the monetary worth of this Sear guy. Cook the SOB until the entire PA stinks BUT don't call for its dismantling during electioineering because doing so will only give the intellectually dishonest PAPies ammunition against anyone calling for the dismantling of an 'important' garment structure.

The WP would have won Cheng San if not for TLH showing off the police report. From then on, they were fair game and once voters heard that he was targeted a well as JBJ, the voters decided that it was futile to vote for them.

Anuar, in Malaysia, was a hero amongst the nation but he has become a sort of a petty politician. And it all came down to him 'boasting' that he had enough defectors from BN to form a new garment. When this didn't come through, he was seen as a failure and a boastful man and now he is much less admired in Malaysia.

It's about doing the right things at the right time. This is all I am saying coupled with the fact that the PAPies will always be on the defensive once election is called. Don't give them any ammunition.

Additionally, there are so many other PAP faults to hit at that it doesn't make sense to put so much into this one basket. Why was Ho Ching even chosen to head Temasek? It's like asking a fruit stall helper to run a 5-star restaurant. She never had the training nor the experience to head Temasek. Examples like this are what the people need to know, to hear and then to act upon.

In conclusion, you have a limited amount of time and the voters have a limited amount of info to retain whenever and whatever they hear. Lots of other things to touch on and indeed this is very important. But do not allow this incident which is a PAP folly into allowing them to nullify everything.

 

[ChaoPappyPoodle]

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Even if the opp didnt succeed, they wld have unearthed a can of possible worms, and at least force the govt to squirm at the prospect of being roasted.

This sort of mentality is what losers are made of. From the onset you are doomed to failure because you will be pleased with losing the war even if you wona small battle that within hours of the election results will mean nothing. In fact, it may result in an even worse result in that the PAP may disallow transparency due to any number of reasons that they may conjecture. Remember this is a group of people that are intellectually dishonest and have the propaganda machine at their beck and call. They can do anything.

If, from the onset, you are resigned to winning a small battle, but comfortable with losing the war, then you should not be in a position to influence anyone.

The stake for Singaporeans is very high in the coming election. Another win for the PAPies will result in hundreds of thousands of Singaporeans having to face unnecessary economic and social difficulties for generations to come.

Our mindset must be that of helping Singaporeans to live a better life, from their birth to their demise. Singularly. Fully. A Singapore government must be committed towards Singaporeans. If the alternative parties can muster the meaning of this phrase and not allow personal grudges to take foot within themselves then the alternative parties can make a huge difference in the next elections because the PAPies are a fascist political party and as fascists go, their only stance is heir own continued existence at the expense of everything regardless if everything else is good or bad.

The PAPies must and will lose the next election. Put Singaporeans first, formost and always and the alternative parties will win.

 

[kingrant]

This sort of mentality is what losers are made of. From the onset you are doomed to failure because you will be pleased with losing the war even if you wona small battle that within hours of the election results will mean nothing. In fact, it may result in an even worse result in that the PAP may disallow transparency due to any number of reasons that they may conjecture. Remember this is a group of people that are intellectually dishonest and have the propaganda machine at their beck and call. They can do anything.

If, from the onset, you are resigned to winning a small battle, but comfortable with losing the war, then you should not be in a position to influence anyone.

The stake for Singaporeans is very high in the coming election. Another win for the PAPies will result in hundreds of thousands of Singaporeans having to face unnecessary economic and social difficulties for generations to come.

Our mindset must be that of helping Singaporeans to live a better life, from their birth to their demise. Singularly. Fully. A Singapore government must be committed towards Singaporeans. If the alternative parties can muster the meaning of this phrase and not allow personal grudges to take foot within themselves then the alternative parties can make a huge difference in the next elections because the PAPies are a fascist political party and as fascists go, their only stance is heir own continued existence at the expense of everything regardless if everything else is good or bad.

The PAPies must and will lose the next election. Put Singaporeans first, formost and always and the alternative parties will win.

You have to be deliriously hallucinating to think that the Opp will win the next elections to become the govt!

Be realistic! Even with the best Opp arrayed against them now, at best, the Opp may win more seats via probably one GRC and maybe three single wards. That can't form you a govt.

The reason is this. Someone has stated the odds in this forum, and I tend to agree. At any time, whether the economy is in golden times or in deep shit, 30% are diehard PAP voters, and 30% are diehard Opp voters. Thus, 40% will be the swing voters. This is a shifting figure depending on demographical issues. Old Man thinks that his generation of voters still believed in him and will cast a loyal vote for PAP for stability and prosperity, and over a long time, they made up the 40%.

But times they are a-changing, have changed. Those who swung for him in the past are probably dead and too few to matter with oncoming years. Then there are those post-war boomers who have grown older, became disillusioned, lost their jobs, CPF grudges, etc who may swing against him. Also, the younger Internet age. They are not too enamoured of Old Man and his beliefs.

Do the math. Will we see at least half of this 40% votes going over to the Opp? If the Opp craft their manifestos targeting this 40% grouping, they may reap in electoral gains. But I still do not see the Opp taking over the reins of govt anytime soon.

More than 6 but fewer than 10 Opp seats may be won, including PP and HG. That's my gut feel. That will be a big blow to the PAP and a resounding victory for the Opp. Then the people's voice in Parliament will get a good shouting and the emperor's ears.

 

[ChaoPappyPoodle]

I would rather be deluded than to accept defeat even before the battle has begun! The stakes are too high to have a defeatist. You may survive PAPy rule for many years but to many Singaporeans, this isn't the case.

As I said before, the alternative parties have to fight for what is morally right for Singaporeans and keep personal issues sway from the fray.

It will also be interesting to see the alternative parties coming out with a more positive approach from the onset. They should make the people believe that they have a very good chance to win the next GE>

The PAPies are at an all time low. Many of their ministers are of poor calibre. CPF, HDB, FTs, Temasek, cost-of-living - these are all against them. Never before has so many major issues amongst Singaopreans been put to the fore with the PAPies having a truly dismal showing.

What the alternative parties need to do is to attract Malay votes and those of the civil service as well as GLCs. A 20% swing amongst these groups is all that is needed. Think about it!

 

[Perspective]

The alternative parties should stay away from calling for the dismantling of any government structure as part of their agenda. Such a call will result in the propaganda machinery going into full swing to support any PAP/government establishment and end up with an accusation that the alternative parties are out to destroy Singapore.

Actually the WP did and it was labelled as one of the 4 time bombs. Whether that sank in or not I did not know. But any party must be careful not to send a signal to people that 'there goes their line dancing, karaoke, basketball courts' etc.

Dismantling PA structure is different from totalling banning govt sponsored grassroots activities.

 

[ChaoPappyPoodle]

You have to be deliriously hallucinating to think that the Opp will win the next elections to become the govt!

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The reason is this. Someone has stated the odds in this forum, and I tend to agree. At any time, whether the economy is in golden times or in deep shit, 30% are diehard PAP voters, and 30% are diehard Opp voters. Thus, 40% will be the swing voters. This is a shifting figure depending on demographical issues. Old Man thinks that his generation of voters still believed in him and will cast a loyal vote for PAP for stability and prosperity, and over a long time, they made up the 40%.

Pre-election
Diehard PAP = 20-25%
Ignorant Votes for PAP = 30-40%
Ignorant Votes for Alternative = 5-15%
Diehard Alternative Votes = 25%

Give or take a few percentage here or there.

Ignorant PAP votes are the best to garner. This group is comprised of the elderly, civil servants including the military and GLC workers. Ignorant PAP voters are those that are not very interested in politics and vote based on historical basis - "don't rock the boat" mentality.

Die-hard PAP voters are those elites who have much to lose if the PAPies and their way of governance is no longer in play.

How the alternative parties reach out to the Ignorant Voters for PAP is where the battle is going to be won or lost. If you look at it more closely, it's not as impossible at all. This is a homogeneous group (2 groups actually - Malays and Civil servants) lacking much diversity. Hence, a concerted effort at a large stationary target is actually quite easy to hit.

The alternative parties have to look into what matters to these two groups of people and how best to attrack their votes. How to assure them of a better life for them and their children if the alternative parties were in power.

We only need to look at previous campaigns and you will realise that the alternative parties never had any message targeted at the civil service (GLCs, military etc). A large chunk of Ignorant Votes were lost because of this.

 

[ChaoPappyPoodle]

Actually the WP did and it was labelled as one of the 4 time bombs. Whether that sank in or not I did not know. But any party must be careful not to send a signal to people that 'there goes their line dancing, karaoke, basketball courts' etc.

Dismantling PA structure is different from totalling banning govt sponsored grassroots activities.

I know. It's dangerous and silly ebcause it only gives the PAP ammunition to hit against you. Like I said, when an election is called, the PAPies have nothing to hit out at the alternative parties other than the usual "they only appear during elections accusations and the quality of the alternative parties". They used to talk about track record but it is to be seen how much of this they want to bring up.

The PAP are on the defensive for the first time ever because they have really screwed up big time.

Let the bloody PA stay for as long as the PAPies are there. Destroy or evolve it only after the war is won.

A lot of undecided voters are very afraid of voting in the alternative parties because they do not know what to expect. If these voters are given an inkling that major changes will be made that doesn't make much sense to them then there goes the alternative parties' credibility. Immediately, they are debunked and there goes their election deposit.

Always appease the voters. Even if you want to dismantle the PA, at least ensure that an unbiased look at their pros-and cons is done first so that more information can be provided to the populace. There is a time for everything but there must be one way to do things and that is the right way. Always respect the populace and their issues regardless of how small they may be or how futile it may be to help them but always respect them and have a listening ear.

 

[Unrepented]

Partially correct only. IMO this category, some are the "Bo Bians and held by their balls"

The best arguments can be put forth by alternatives, and even this category is convinced.... still they "Bo Bian". Think about it.

Pre-election
Diehard PAP = 20-25%
Ignorant Votes for PAP = 30-40%
Ignorant Votes for Alternative = 5-15%
Diehard Alternative Votes = 25%

Give or take a few percentage here or there.

Ignorant PAP votes are the best to garner. This group is comprised of the elderly, civil servants including the military and GLC workers. Ignorant PAP voters are those that are not very interested in politics and vote based on historical basis - "don't rock the boat" mentality.