You gotta admit your doctrine is wrong then.
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Why First Reaction When Encountering Islam or Muslims are Always Negative Reaction?
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You gotta admit that your prophet raped, killed and murdered people and supposedly still went to heaven.
Even his worst enemies fighting him and slandering him did not make those accusations. So your point is false.
So admit it your doctrine is illogical and basically polytheistic.
My point is only false is muhammad didn't kill people, didn't murder people, didn't rape people.
All your arguments are based on the premise that muhammad had good reason to kill people, good reason to murder them or have them murdered, good reason to rape people.
Loofydralb said:
"For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God." - 1 Corinthians 1 : 18
Herein is where your argument falls apart. He never raped nor murdered anyone thus his adversaries never accused him of any of it. However he did kill and that was in the context of war.
Here is the funny part. Somehow you are unable to address of refute the fact that your scriptures are full of contradictions, falsehoods and fabrications. Even the authors named after the books are not the actual authors of that book. No one knows who wrote the bible.
How about trying to convince us of the purity of your books instead of trying to make Islam look bad? It makes you look bad.
Wow, a Islamic fanatic who knows nuts about Christianity talking cock here ? What the fuck did you pop out from ? Your mother's anus ?
Did you fucking know the old testamanet is the same as the first half of your so-called holy book ?
You talking so much cock of your religion only makes peopple hate it more here. Are you going to chop off the heads of us infidels here ?
Prove to us your bible forbids those after they accept jesus as god and saviour from your scriptures.
Yes he did.
mahomet killed his critics, his rivals and if possible, took their women for himself. Saffiya was a good example. That actually is rape. While the practice during is common, it doesn't make it right and it is still rape.
Nothing wrong with the Bible. You've been unable to refute that people who follow the quran and its teachings usually end up in poorer health, lower literacy, financially poorer and more likely to be addicted to drugs.
The quran is full of contradictions and errors, and edited at the whims and fancies of the scribes who wrote it. Didn't muhammad kill one of the quran scribes because the scribe finally got fed up with muhammad's falsehoods? Besides, the quran isn't even the final revelation of your fake god allah. Still need to wait 250 years for the dumb hadiths.
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Nothing was known about mahomet that could be accepted by historians. There was no known reliable historical records that existed or survived. Sources such as hadith and sunnahs only create more uncertainty as many contradicts quranic verses and based on hearsays.
The early arab conquest did not rely on the quran as it was not available widely yet and hence they studied the greek, persian, roman classics and knowledge from other civilisation.
Today's muslim on the other hand, are wasting too much effort looking for solutions in the quran.
You cannot blame the bad behaviour or actions of Hitler, KKK, Spanish inquisition etc on the bible. Similarly the Quran does not teach their followers to do wrong.
Previously you say Muhammad copied the bible. Now you say he continuously edits it?
For a man who cannot read nor write, that is stretching the claim. Anyway show us one contradiction in the Quran. We have shown you clearly there are plenty in the bible, plus, forged verses too.
Most moslems i met in real life attribute the actions of Hitler and KKK to the Bible.
moslems use the behavior of their sole prophet, muhammad, and his compansions, as the final authority of what is right or wrong, not the quran. If muhammad and his men started raids to catch slaves, moslems down the road will continue to do the same, citing their prophet. Same for whether it is legal for moslems to fuck kids.
The moslem quran contains bits and pieces of the Old and New Testament, information from Gnostics and other sources. It's also recorded from islamic sources that the quran was written by scribes who edited it as they wished. One of them got fed up and leave islam after realising that he could edit the quran as he wished and muhammad went along with it.
You only called the Bible forged because they contradicted and refuted your silly islamic practices. We've went on this discussion before, like the quran mistaking Mary, mother of Jesus to be Mariam, sister of Aaron.
Here's news. If that is true, then you are behaving the same as them by attributing bad/wrong behaviour of Muslims to the Quran.
Even christian scholars who study islam concur his actions are consistent with what is written in the Quran.
As for screwing kids, you're mistaken in such that they have reached puberty, that is why the marriage can be consummated. Less than 100 years ago the western societies are practising the same thing and legalising marriage as young as 11(?) until womens lib started rearing its head.
Maybe your grandmother too was screwed as soon as she had her period.
The Quran clarifies what is false and what is true of the previous scriptures. So obviously you will see similarities. But here is where the miracle of the Quran appears. There are information in the Quran that can only be confirmed to be true in the 20th century. Why none of such discoveries are in the bible. Because it is not the words of our Creator.
To make it easy to see the miracles in the Quran, here:
The scribe you wrote about was a non believer pretending to be one, who actually and purposely miswrote (wrote wrongly) the revelation as it was revealed. He ran away when the prophet rechecked what he wrote. In military terms he was a spy, a traitor.
Clear contradictions in the bible like when it describes Judas' death:
Now this man purchased a field with the wages of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst open in the middle and all his entrails gushed out. Acts 1.18
and compare it with this
So Judas threw the money into the temple and left. Then he went away and hanged himself. Matthew 27:5
Did he hang himself or his entrails gushed out? Clear undisputed contradictions. Many many more in the bible.
Show us one from the Quran. I even quoted the exact verses. You can't. Because Allah doesn't make mistakes in his revelations.
muhammad's banditry, slave trading and killing of people were consistent with what was written in the quran? I thought muhammad's name was only mentioned a handful of times in the silly quran.
He hanged himself for a very long time. Corpse hung for a long while, got bloated up with gases. Rope broke, corpse fell hard and burst open/
Yeah right. You don't like him for leaving islam, so happily accuse him of being a spy and a traitor. According to the hadith, the scribe did not write wrongly. He got your fake prophet's approval for changing the verses. It's mentioned in the hadith. He got killed for leaving islam, not for suggesting the changes to the quran, which your prophet accepted. It's in the hadith.
Your prophet or allah doesn't know the difference between Mary, mother of Jesus, and Mariam, sister of Old Testament Levite priest Aaron.
At length she brought (the babe) to her people, carrying him (in her arms), They said: "O Mary! Truly a strange thing has thou brought! "O sister of Aaron, thy father was not a man of evil, nor your mother a woman unchaste!"
-- Sura 19:27-28
Stupid you. The Quran by that time has allowed the Prophet to wage war against his enemies. It is not banditry. It guerilla warfare. And people get killed during war. It is consistent with what was revealed.
How stupid can your gospels be. You has to combine the two stories to make up a new story eh? He fell headlong or he hung himself. Christians trying so hard to lie to themselves by explaining what is not there in the bible.
Anyway the verses also contradicts when it describes Judas threw the money or did he use it to buy a land? Contradictions upon contradictions upon contradictions and then the christian make up stories to explain those contradictions.
That is why the Quran is unchanged in every word and letter unlike the bible which has been reauthored innumerable times. And the Quran has to be read in Arabic and understood by Arab speaking people who understand its idioms.
Here is the correct translation which is also not disputed by Arab speaking christian scholars:
"O sister [i.e., descendant] of Aaron, your father was not a man of evil, nor was your mother unchaste."
'Sister' in the arabic language can mean descendants too. Next time learn Quran from a learned person, not from its transliteration.
Search the hadith again. He changed the verses without informing the prophet. He was killed because he was a traitor that dishonestly recorded the revelation according to his fancies. Its in the hadith.
Too bad you cannot point to a single error or contradiction in the Quran.
The bible, has innumerable inconsistencies, contradictions. And some christians even worship idols. They're polytheists.
Stupid you. mohammad made up a nice story to allow himself the right to rob, kill, rape and murder. It's banditry plain and simple. Trust fools like you to believe in the silly quran. See! If you believe in mohammad, kill ok, rape ok, rob also ok.
The quran has been changed enough times. The current version you have is the one uthman allowed. And even that one is tainted by stupidity, let alone corrections. Morons like you really believe the sun sets in a m&d pond or in flying donkeys? You are really an idiot!
My interpretation is correct. "Learned person" in the quran are same morons who promise 72 virgins in paradise to terrorists or support terrorism in some way. No thanks to learning from fools who graduate from islamic schools taught by charlatans.
Error already pointed out. You don't want to admit and spin some yarn to explain it away. Doesn't change the fact that the quran got that part wrong about Mary and Mariam. That happens when you copy other religion's scriptures.
Loofydralb said:
Looks like your rapist of a prophet didn't even had the guts to order him killed outright. Mahomet wanted his followers to be mind readers and kill the scribe on their own, so that he could not be accused of killing scribes. From this story, your prophet behaves more like a drug cartel boss than a spiritual person.
The apostle had instructed his commanders when they entered Mecca only to fight those who resisted them except a small number who were to be killed even if they were found beneath the curtains of the Ka`ba. Among them was `Abdullah b. Sa`d, brother of the B. `Amir b. Lu'ayy. The reason he ordered him to be killed was that he had been a Muslim and used to write down revelation; then he apostatized and returned to Qurahysh [Mecca] and fled to `Uthman b. `Affan whose foster brother he was. [`Uthman was one of Muhammad's closest friends, and later became the Caliph of Islam]. The latter hid him until he brought him to the apostle after the situation in Mecca was tranquil, and asked that he might be granted immunity. They allege that the apostle remained silent for a long time till finally he said yes, [granting `Abdullah immunity from the execution order]. When `Uthman had left he [Muhammad] said to his companions who were sitting around him, "I kept silent so that one of you might get up and strike off his head!" One of the Ansar [Muhammad's helpers from Medina] said, then why didn't you give me a sign, O apostle of God?" He [Muhammad] answered that a prophet does not kill by pointing.
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Well I've already shown you proofs. Now you cannot on judgement day deny that you were not told. I've done my part.
Somebody once told me that polytheists (when you say and worship 3 gods) will be very difficult to repent because underlying that is worldly greed and they will lie and slander, twist and turn, even when they see the truth. Alhamdulilah, there are many in the west starting to open their eyes and are converting their churches into masjids. I will leave you this video:
https://www.youtube.com/results?sea...et+muhammad+could+not+have+written+the+quran+
Somebody once told me that polytheists (when you say and worship 3 gods) will be very difficult to repent because underlying that is worldly greed and they will lie and slander, twist and turn, even when they see the truth. Alhamdulilah, there are many in the west starting to open their eyes and are converting their churches into masjids. I will leave you this video:
https://www.youtube.com/results?sea...et+muhammad+could+not+have+written+the+quran+
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I've shown you proofs that your mahomet was a really wicked person and that your quran is fake. On Judgement Day, you will have to go to hell because you aren't saved.
It's hard for mohameddans to repent because they are so certain that they can save themselves by following a special diet and rituals. But God already made it clear that hypocrites can follow rituals but their hearts are far from God. Nobody can save themselves by good deeds, especially the way moslems define 'good deeds'. Persecuting non-believers doesn't fall into the category of doing good deeds, despite whatever your fake religion and stupid moslem scholars says.
The truth is that most moslems stay moslems because of intense social pressure and also because of persecution if they remove the hijab or leave islam. The moslem holy hadith made it clear that if moslems leave islam, they are to be killed. That's one of the core pillars of islam. But a growing number of moslems are starting to leave islam, especially when they migrate to non-moslem societies where there is no sharia.
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