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Why First Reaction When Encountering Islam or Muslims are Always Negative Reaction?
- Thread starter Froggy
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It was not suppose to be a religion.
@ 2 billion Muslims believe the Quran is the word of Allah s.w.t.
That is currently under review.
By historians.Review by Moulana syed putra?
Only historians will find evidence before publishing the findings.
Historians? Where? Who? We have million of Hafiz all over the world. Tats enough to prove the authenticity of the Quran. A living miracle indeed. SubhanAllah!
quran does not supercede the hadith. On a historical timeline, hadith came around 200 years after the quran was put together. So hadith already supercedes quran.
Final authority can be derived from either quran or hadith, if the two sources do not contradict each other. If they do, the hadith has the final say. It's in islam 101. Every moslem knows this. You are a terrible liar.
Look at how the quran and the hadith treat apostasy in islam.
quran
Indeed, those who believed then disbelieved, then believed and again disbelieved—˹only˺ increasing in disbelief—Allah will neither forgive them nor guide them to the ˹Right˺ Way.
— Quran 4:137
hadith
A man embraced Islam and then reverted back to Judaism. Mu'adh bin Jabal came and saw the man with Abu Musa. Mu'adh asked, "What is wrong with this (man)?" Abu Musa replied, "He embraced Islam and then reverted back to Judaism." Mu'adh said, "I will not sit down unless you kill him (as it is) the verdict of Allah and His Apostle."
— Sahih al-Bukhari, 9:89:271
moslem scholars and legalists use the hadith as the final authority of islam. Most moslem countries have legal means to harm apostates because the hadith calls for it explicitly. Even in places where sharia law is not practiced, moslem society uses a mixture of family pressure, coercion and brute force to keep believers from leaving islam. Again, that teaching is from the hadith. It has the final say, not the quran.
Let it be known that you have been full of shit and know nothing of theology.
On Judgement Day, I'll be judged as righteous because I've been saved by Grace, not by works, lest I boast of my good deeds. Man is not saved by their own works. Surely you can't be so dumb as to buy that bullshit? You think you can do more good deeds than me?
You are in no position to know or understand Islamic jurisprudence (something totally absent from Christianity because everyone in Christianity can do whatever they want).
Also for someone who is a polytheist and idol worshipper, but confusingly claim 3 gods is actually 1, you forfeit any claims to monotheism.
In Christ, we have the freedom to do what we want. But not everything is beneficial to us. And we should not be slaves to anything. Basic Christian theology.
In islam, moslems also have the freedom to do what they want. They kill, rape, murder, do all sorts of bad things, and there's always a perfect justification for doing bad things, just like muhammad. He didn't have 4 wives only, he killed people who displeased him, tortured people for treasure, fucked kids and made money from slavery. Hey, he pretty much did whatever he pleased.
moslems not idol worshippers? The evidence speaks for itself.
That is why Christianity is a false religion. It is totally bereft of any guidance.
LBGT? OK
Pork? OK
Alcohol? OK
Worship idols? OK
Steal? OK
Rape? OK
Murder? OK
As long as you believe in Jesus, you commit the above and still go to heaven?moslems not idol worshippers? The evidence speaks for itself.
"All the ways of a man are clean in his own sight, But the Lord weighs the motives." Proverbs 16 : 2.
The Bible provides far better guidance than islam's quran + hadith. My toilet paper is more useful than the paper used to print quran + hadith.
It was recently revealed that in jiuhu schools, their imams and ustaz molest children on a large scale. In afghanistan, devout moslems are known to enjoy having sex with little boys. moslem men in largely moslem societies like pakistan, saudi arabia and the gulf states enjoy surfing porn.
Lots of moslems enjoy alcohol and drugs, much more so than other religious groups. Moslems also have a disproportionately higher rate of diabetes and obesity related illnesses despite not eating pork and 'fasting'.
We've already established that moslems are the idol worshippers. They bow and kiss a stone covered with a black cloth.
All ok in islam. moslem sole prophet, muhammand, did steal, rape and murder people. We also established that eating pork is likely a much more serious crime and definitely more scandalous than moslems who steap, rape and murder people.
I hear moslems say that as long as you die fighting against non-moslems or as some suicide bomber, you will go to heaven. It doesn't matter what sin you have committed before.
moslems also like to condemn us to hell simply because we reject islam. Even if we did good deeds, moslems believe we'll go to hell for refusing to acknowledge mahomet as a real prophet. So in some sense, moslems adopt parts of Christianity like replacing Christ with muhammad, and claiming that people can only go to heaven though belief in muhammad's nonsensical message.
At the end of the day, Christians have lower crime rates as compared to moslems even though moslems are ruled by the law and need to be saved by self righteousness.
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When you judge a country whether it has justice, you look at it's Constitution and laws. Not how many convicts the have. Similarly, when you study a religion to find truth, you look at it's holy books and look for guidance, not how the people practise it which they may misunderstand the interpretation. Funny you took so much time to write drivel. Simple question. Give me one example of guidance in the new testament that was not introduced by previous prophets.
Pakistan has lots of fake blasphemy cases. Indonesia also. Malaysia gives preferential treatment to moslems, also its legal system sides with moslems even when facts don't. Moslem countries also have far higher corruption than Singapore. Suffice to judge the quality of sharia islamic systems.
So you're saying that muhammad himself misunderstood islam. You talked about rape, stealing and murder being ok for the Christians. Turns out that muhammad, sole central figure of islam, did all three and never once admitted he was wrong to do these things.
In the Old Testament, only a few people qualified to be prophet. Some of them were Samuel, Isaiah, Elijah. People like King David, important as he was, was not a prophet. You need to stop using the word prophet so loosely.
The New Testament is the fulfillment of the OT. In the OT, people had to atone for their sins with blood sacrifice. In the NT, Christ has already paid for our sins. No need for people to try to earn their merit and forgiveness. Just look at yourself. You get all puffed up with self righteousness and just because you don't eat pork and do some shitty rituals.
Why yr god so convoluted when it comes to justice and forgiveness?
Let's see how illogical it is:
You sin and do wrong against god. You don't want to repent and wants to continue sinning. So god says ok, take my son, you torture and kill him so he takes away your sin forever and you can sin as much as you like.
That is why Hitler will be going to heaven.
What's the confusion about? There's only 1 question. Did Jesus pay for your sins through his death and crucifixion ? Answer is either 'yes' or 'no'.
You want convoluted, try islam. Your good deeds can be cancelled out and you're bound for hell if you eat pork or didn't wear hijab. You need a bunch of religious scholars to halal this, halal that. Sounds like a really convoluted religion.
In our earlier discussion, we already established that it's far more likely that moslems continue sinning despite working their butts off in religious rituals. moslems have higher obesity rates, indulge in sexual promiscuity online or offline, struggle more with drug addiction and are more likely to suffer from diabetes.
Yet surprisingly, most Christians are not rushing off to sin as much as they like as compared to moslems. There is far lower corruption and crime rate in Christian countries than in moslem countries. Even moslems are attracted to migrate by the millions to live in the west where sharia legal systems and values are not practiced.
More rapists and sexual predators come from moslem backgrounds than Christian backgrounds. Same goes for drug addiction, gluttony and obesity. My food business does very well during ramadan month on a daily basis, while moslems are supposed to be fasting. The iftar meals are usually sumptuous.
moslems like you think muhammad will be going to heaven despite him killing, raping and stealing from others. To moslems like you, raping and stealing and killing is always okay if muhammad did it. There's always a valid reason right?
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Still you do not dispute the illogical doctrine that you hold to be true?
Like god died?
Man can kill god?
Belief in a god will absolve you of all sins?
You can be a totally depraved sick psychopathic serial killer cum rapist cum pedophile and your god will admit you to heaven?
Damn, not doing all those sick things is actually NOT following what your religion allows you to do. So you are sinning because you are not doing it
Urghh...my head hurts trying to rationalize your dogma.
Like god died?
Man can kill god?
Belief in a god will absolve you of all sins?
You can be a totally depraved sick psychopathic serial killer cum rapist cum pedophile and your god will admit you to heaven?
Damn, not doing all those sick things is actually NOT following what your religion allows you to do. So you are sinning because you are not doing it
Urghh...my head hurts trying to rationalize your dogma.
Died, and rose again from the dead.
It's tougher than it looks actually. Like you don't believe and still think your only way to heaven is to earn your way. The islamic way is a convoluted system. You need a bunch of religiously intolerant and dumb moslem clerics to halal you all the way.
You just described your own prophet muhammad. From his past actions, he was totally depraved, he was sick, he was a killer and he was a rapist. And yet, moslem hold him as a prophet and someone to follow if you want to be admitted to heaven.
And remember, despite all their islamic rules, moslems struggle more with obesity, crime, drug addiction, war crimes, terrorism than Christians do, even in Singapore.
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