Where are they when the indons are bullying Singapore?

[laksaboy]

The problem is I don't think Singapore would be there sitting down and taking it. Neither would the UN and the rest of the world. They'd want to disarm Indonesia as quickly as possible which would mean a possible invasion in Indonland and lots of damage bringing it to even lower and desperate levels than it already is in.

The UN doesn't give a shit to Singapore. There's no oil.

 

[nomorelisa]

The Indonesians who are hiding their ill gotten gains in Singapore aren't the pribumi political power base. They are the rich tycoons.

Under Suharto, the two groups were hand in glove. Nowadays I'm not so sure.

For the info for the 2 of you here is a good link....http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/archive/singapore-like-home-for-many-rich-indonesians/

Many of the rich and powerful politicians in the region keep their wealth hidden in the tiny country and likewise those who have accumulated wealth. Trade volumes between Singapore and Indonesia is about US$36 billion a year. Trade and commerce is the main common motivation of both nations foreign relations, each counterpart are main trade partners of each other. Without Singapore Indonesia has much to lose as the island is their main gateway to the rest of the world.

 

[890aw]

It is impossible to invade Indonesia. You have no idea as to the scale of the operation that would be required.

Where would the beachhead be established for a start? Just look at the size and the number of Islands involved.

As for the UN they'd take 6 months just to pass a resolution to issue a statement.

They can easily aim and capture the headquarters in Java, specifically Jakarta. A fifth-gen fighter like the F-35 is bad news for Indonesia. Actually the hornets are more than enough. It would be like Vietnam although should Indonesia attack first, the world's opinion of Indonesia would be far worse and no one would bat an eye over the one-sided butchery of the Indonesian army. Indonesians have less fighting spirit than the Vietnamese. They can aim the more populous parts of Indonesia and use a scorched earth policy on the smaller islands to fish out the Indonesians.

 

[890aw]

The UN doesn't give a shit to Singapore. There's no oil.

But there are major investments, businesses and assets to be held. Not to mention Singapore actually allies with some of the most powerful members of the UN. Indonesians would be scared shitless to actually start an invasion on Singapore because of the US. That's why they accuse Singapore and Australia* as a US stooge.

 

[3_M]

The issue is not an actual strike but simply the threat of one. All Indonesia has to do is start navy and heavy artillery exercises in a nearby Island and confidence in the peace and stability of the region would be shaken sufficiently to spook the business world.

Businesses gravitate towards stable environments and move away from unstable ones.

For a start, all the hot money will start making it way out of the island at the slightest sign of hostility and this will trigger a chain of events in our finance and property sectors. . That will be the beginning of the end of sinkapore.

People who fantasize that we can flatten and capture Batam and JB in a matter of XX hours are just doing day dreaming.

 

[jubilee1919]

They can easily aim and capture the headquarters in Java, specifically Jakarta. A fifth-gen fighter like the F-35 is bad news for Indonesia. Actually the hornets are more than enough. It would be like Vietnam although should Indonesia attack first, the world's opinion of Indonesia would be far worse and no one would bat an eye over the one-sided butchery of the Indonesian army. Indonesians have less fighting spirit than the Vietnamese. They can aim the more populous parts of Indonesia and use a scorched earth policy on the smaller islands to fish out the Indonesians.

You are out of your depth here, please do some research first. Our RSAF do not have any F/A-18 Hornets lah and F-35 although a possibility, it may be postponed and perhaps they might go for the cheaper option i.e., modernizing the F-16 fleet.

 

[laksaboy]

You are out of your depth here, please do some research first. Our RSAF do not have any F/A-18 Hornets lah and F-35 although a possibility, it may be postponed and perhaps they might go for the cheaper option i.e., modernizing the F-16 fleet.

Don't forget that even the Americans call the F-35 worthless.

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/2013/09/joint-strike-fighter-lockheed-martin

I would love to see the PAP govt/Mindef blow a fortune on these white elephants.

 

[eatshitndie]

You are out of your depth here, please do some research first. Our RSAF do not have any F/A-18 Hornets lah and F-35 although a possibility, it may be postponed and perhaps they might go for the cheaper option i.e., modernizing the F-16 fleet.

the best "weapon" of the indon navy is the sampan s-69. one hundred thousand of them armed with motors (not mortars) filled with economic refugees, criminals, convicts and trouble makers, and point them at sg's shores, and it's all over.

 

[890aw]

You are out of your depth here, please do some research first. Our RSAF do not have any F/A-18 Hornets lah and F-35 although a possibility, it may be postponed and perhaps they might go for the cheaper option i.e., modernizing the F-16 fleet.

I was actually talking about the RAAF.

 

[jubilee1919]

I was actually talking about the RAAF.

Huh???

I don't know what to say (stamps feet).

 

[890aw]

Huh???

I don't know what to say (stamps feet).

No worries, it was just a discussion with Leong about Australia versus Singapore we had earlier. He argued that Australia couldn't stop an Indonesian invasion but I argued that they could not only repel an invasion, they could do one of their own. Remember what happened in East Timor. That's the context.

 

[890aw]

That's the romantic myth I believed in too when I was younger. They fought side by side in wars but that was more than half a century ago. The goodwill has long since evaporated.

Having lived in both countries for a number of years, I've realised that reality is rather different.

Actually living in Australia, and having lived in America and New Zealand I can tell you you are dead wrong. In the event of an invasion from Indonesia, Australia would support New Zealand and the Kiwis would support Australia. What you've given is situational, isolated events, there's much worse that can be found amongst Singaporeans, Malaysians, Indonesians and even Filipinos. What Australians try to boycott most are goods from China and Southeast Asia to a lesser extent.

Australians do bag on New Zealand alot and vice versa but they are also the most likely to be friends. Politically they couldn't be closer. Heard of the Trans-Tasman relationship?

 

[Leongsam]

Australians do bag on New Zealand alot and vice versa but they are also the most likely to be friends. Politically they couldn't be closer. Heard of the Trans-Tasman relationship?

Trans Tasman relationship is all but dead. The OZs realised the Kiwi dole bludgers were ripping them off so they changed the rules in 2001 that ended automatic PR for all Kiwis.

New Zealanders who want PR in Australia now have to queue up and apply just like anyone else.

And the OZs try to derail trade agreements on a regular basis. The two governments like to put on dog and pony shows regarding solidarity and cooperation. At grassroots level, it's a different story altogether.

 

[neddy]

Trans Tasman relationship is all but dead. The OZs realised the Kiwi dole bludgers were ripping them off so they changed the rules in 2001 that ended automatic PR for all Kiwis.

New Zealanders who want PR in Australia now have to queue up and apply just like anyone else.

And the OZs try to derail trade agreements on a regular basis. The two governments like to put on dog and pony shows regarding solidarity and cooperation. At grassroots level, it's a different story altogether.

Nothing new. Within Oz, the state do the same to each other, except when they need help to fight bushfires.