What do the japanese call a japanese person that's not a citizen of japan?

[Jah_rastafar_I]

Firstly let me relate a story from one forummer here: He mentioned there was once some china cashier arguing with some middle aged female customer and this china cashier told the female customer in mandarin you're also a zhong guo ren. In which the customer retorted wo bu shi zhong guo ren wo shi hua ren. Then the manager went to lecture the cashier.

The pt of the matter is this. What was the cashier trying to imply. She's trying to tell the customer you're also a chinese (zhong guo ren) don't think you're better than me. Technically she isn't correct since zhong guo ren means a citizen of china but then obviously by being chinese you're automatically assumed to be a china national since the majority of chinese ppl in the world are citizens of china. FYI chinese can both be used to describe a citizen of china and also the ethnic group.

This led me to wonder do they have similar terms like this in japan and korea? Do they have a specific term like zhong guo ren which denotes a citizen of the country say japan and the hua ren which specifically refers to the chinese ethnic group and can be used interchangably with zhong guo ren since a citizen of china is also most likely a hua ren.

Also does anyone knows how these foreign japs or koreans feel about their native japs and korean cousins.

 

[Ramseth]

Being Japanese is by blood, not by residential naturalization. There're many Chinese and Korean communities in Japan but they'll never become Japanese or Japanese citizens. There're many oversea Japanese in California and Hawaii etc., they'll be welcomed back to claim Japanese citizenship anytime as long as they can prove Japanese parents.

 

[Jah_rastafar_I]

Being Japanese is by blood, not by residential naturalization. There're many Chinese and Korean communities in Japan but they'll never become Japanese or Japanese citizens. There're many oversea Japanese in California and Hawaii etc., they'll be welcomed back to claim Japanese citizenship anytime as long as they can prove Japanese parents.

still is there a specific term in japanese to differentiate an ethnic jap from a jap that's a citizen like zhong guo ren and hua ren?

 

[Ramseth]

still is there a specific term in japanese to differentiate an ethnic jap from a jap that's a citizen like zhong guo ren and hua ren?

Forgo your surname and take up a Japanese surname assigned by the prefect in the name of the Emperor. Your next generation may be assimilated and accepted as Japanese. Maybe only, not to be too sure, depends on how Japanised you and your next generation perform in the Japanese society and country.

In Japan and Japanese, there're only two terms. Nihonjin (Japanese) and gaijin (non-Japanese).

 

[Jah_rastafar_I]

Forgo your surname and take up a Japanese surname assigned by the prefect in the name of the Emperor. Your next generation may be assimilated and accepted as Japanese. Maybe only, not to be too sure, depends on how Japanised you and your next generation perform in the Japanese society and country.

In Japan and Japanese, there're only two terms. Nihonjin (Japanese) and gaijin (non-Japanese).

Sorry i'm not interested to be a jap. Maybe a wannabe like you wants to be.

 

[Ramseth]

Sorry i'm not interested to be a jap. Maybe a wannabe like you wants to be.

Why would I be interested? Being gaijin who can speak Japanese has its privileges, not necessarily must become Japanese, especially not after their ancestors killed so many of our Chinese ancestors over stupid nothing stirred up by the west. But understand each other, reconcile and be friends, that's alright by me.

 

[Jah_rastafar_I]

Why would I be interested? Being gaijin who can speak Japanese has its privileges, not necessarily must become Japanese, especially not after their ancestors killed so many of our Chinese ancestors over stupid nothing stirred up by the west. But understand each other, reconcile and be friends, that's alright by me.

Ok zhong guo ren.

 

[kulgai]

A japanese is a japanese no matter where he resides or what nationality he takes on. There is one term to describe all non-japs, that is gaijin.

 

[kingrant]

The Japs and Koreans are really descendents from the Chinks long ago. That's why their writing, language bore similarities with the Chinese. See their kanji characters.

 

[eatshitndie]

The Japs and Koreans are really descendents from the Chinks long ago. That's why their writing, language bore similarities with the Chinese. See their kanji characters.

they borrowed the han writing system, but their tongues or linguistic origins are far from the han chinese. koreans by genetic and linguistic origins are closer to the jurchens who are related to native siberians, manchurians, mongolians and kazakhs. ainus, who are aborigines of japan, are closer to early migrants which populated islands from south east asia to kumchatka. later migrants to northern Japan are distant cousins of koreans, jurchens, manchurians. there is an ancient tomb in japan which belongs to a royal korean exile. much later migrants to southern japan, okinawa, taiwan came from south east asia, indochina and south china. you will notice many japanese in kyushu and kagoshima have snubby noses, broader faces, darker skins, rounder eyes, and shorter statures akin to natives in taiwan and the philippines. japan is not truly homogenous, just that japanese is spoken universally throughout the japanese islands, thanks to the education system.

 

[HedgeTrader]

The Japs and Koreans are really descendents from the Chinks long ago. That's why their writing, language bore similarities with the Chinese. See their kanji characters.

Yalor, Koreans and Japanese people and places all have names writable in Chinese characters without translation. Oh, Vietnamese also.

 

[bullfrog]

Acherly hor, all came down from Africa apeman.

 

[Jah_rastafar_I]

A japanese is a japanese no matter where he resides or what nationality he takes on. There is one term to describe all non-japs, that is gaijin.

Yet this isn't so for chinese.

Assuming you're a sinkie chinese would you want to be called zhong guo ren?

 

[Cruxx]

Yet this isn't so for chinese.

Assuming you're a sinkie chinese would you want to be called zhong guo ren?

It's humiliating enough to be called "Singaporean".

 

[Jah_rastafar_I]

I wonder if any japanese person considers himself a jap but not a citizen of japan.

 

[Sideswipe]

I wonder if any japanese person considers himself a jap but not a citizen of japan.

some Okinawan consider themselves Okinawan and Japanese but wanted Okinawa to secede from Japan.

 

[vamjok]

Yalor, Koreans and Japanese people and places all have names writable in Chinese characters without translation. Oh, Vietnamese also.

Vietnamese might have relations with the chinese, but not the jap and the korean. i read a journal that looks into the dna of chinese vs the rest of the asian, they are actually more closely related to the mongolian.

Culture and langugage wise...yes they are strongly influence by the chinese. This was because they do not have their own writing system then, so those scholar that studied in china bring back these characters and used them with some modification to suit their needs. of cos over the years the modifcation become more drastic

 

[neddy]

A japanese is a japanese no matter where he resides or what nationality he takes on. There is one term to describe all non-japs, that is gaijin.

they also differentiate by prefecture orgin, caste and ancestry (China (Nanking), Korea, etc).

There are "untouchables" as well. Usually, only locals will know which areas they live - but you can tell from the trade. AV girls used to come from this "caste" before AV becomes a respectable work.

 

[Fook Seng]

Being Japanese is by blood, not by residential naturalization. There're many Chinese and Korean communities in Japan but they'll never become Japanese or Japanese citizens. There're many oversea Japanese in California and Hawaii etc., they'll be welcomed back to claim Japanese citizenship anytime as long as they can prove Japanese parents.

Do not know whether any forummer is old enough to remember a young (at that time) HK singer called Agnes Chan? She played the guitar and one of her popular songs was The Circle Game. She retired after a short career after marrying a Japanese, went to Japan and made quite a name for herself as a pioneer in Japan as a working mother which started a movement. She is probably a Japanese citizen now.

 

[Kid278]

Vietnamese might have relations with the chinese, but not the jap and the korean. i read a journal that looks into the dna of chinese vs the rest of the asian, they are actually more closely related to the mongolian.

Culture and langugage wise...yes they are strongly influence by the chinese. This was because they do not have their own writing system then, so those scholar that studied in china bring back these characters and used them with some modification to suit their needs. of cos over the years the modifcation become more drastic

You are correct, koreans are mostly descendants of mongols. This I heard it from koreans themselves. I think if you trace the ancestry of japanese, koreans and the people of former indo china, they're probably all are descendants of natives from mainland china and that includes mongolia, manchuria and whatever barbaric tribes there's known in ancient time.