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what are the options for cancer patients until Sg?

Yes I do smoke at home especially when there is live football on TV.. Wife don't really make noise about it but now I make it a point not to smoke if wife or my pets besides me..

If you can, don't smoke at home for what ever reasons.
Have relatives that the husband smoke for many years, wife came down with Lung Cancer. Not sure whether, if it is due to second hand smoking. But if it can be avoided or prevented, why not.

Best is to quit, if you ask me.
 
Cancer is still an enigma. The course of its development has been very extensively studied and researched and even today, doctors cannot give a 100% prediction on survival and on the prognosis.

It depends on so many factors: The state of the HOST - the patient. His immune status. His genetic make up. His life-style.His own internal constitution and his own mental resilience. There are so many variables affecting the Patient once he is faced with a cancer growth somewhere in his body. Will he be able to fight it alone or must he need any external help? The HOST I believe is still the most important factor.

The second factor to consider is the nature and the virulence of the cancer cells. Some cancer cells are no so ferocious and they don't spread that fast. Some are really rabid and they eat away the HOST with such rapidity that death comes very quickly. It is very deceiving the size of the cancer. Some huge tumours can harbour not so virulent cancer cells and the survival is good. Some small cancers with very virulent cells spread rapidly despite surgery and the HOST succumbs very quickly. So it is again very difficult to predict the outcome - the prognosis.

I have a friend who has leukaemia. He was diagnosed quite early and he was given very intensive chemotherapy. But he died very rapidly because the leukaemic cells were attacking him with no mercy and he died from pneumonia. The HOST factor was unable to withstand the onslaught and the cancer cells were spreading very rapidly. On the other hand, there are cases of people with leukaemia who survived several attacks and many are still around. But again, you don't know when the cancer cells will attack again with a ferocious relapse that might take away the life of the Host.

The third factor is the modality of treatment. Most EARLY cancers are curable and many survived for more than 10 years. But again, the classification of cancers has changed dramatically the last few years and many doctors are reclassifying cancer cells - and the treatment is very aggressive. For examples, breast cancers and cervical cancers. The treatment is rather radical and the success rate is very high with early detection and early interference. Early detection of the cancers of the colon with early surgical resection provide good prognosis. Even early detection of brain cancers has very good prognosis. So the early and appropriate modalities of treatment: surgery, radiotherapy and chemotherapy etc form the keystone of a good prognosis.

However,once the cancer spreads, it is not an easy task. Again, the Host factor, the type of cancer and the modality of treatment will come into play to determine the prognosis. I have a few friends with Cancer of the Prostate, stage 4 with bone secondaries, and they are still going about life with the same gusto, with the same fire in their belly and they walk around as if there is nothing to worry about. They are happy people .In fact, more happy than those young turks with no cancers at all!!!

On the other hand, I have friends who were perfectly healthy and then suddenly struck down with cancers and succumbed within six months, some within three months. Hidden cancers like pancreatic cancer and some liver cancers are deadly and the prognosis is really bad. Even kidney cancers can be bad and very rapid. Undiagnosed late cancer of the brain is also deadly - many are inoperable and the host will succumb within a short period.

So what is there to worry about ? Live and let live. Live The Moment because it is A PRESENT!!!! CHEERS TO ALL BROTHERS!!!!
 
If you can, don't smoke at home for what ever reasons.
Have relatives that the husband smoke for many years, wife came down with Lung Cancer. Not sure whether, if it is due to second hand smoking. But if it can be avoided or prevented, why not.

Best is to quit, if you ask me.

I totally agree.

I have a friend who sweared to me he just cannot stop smoking. He was chain smoking for more than 40 years and he can still boast of running the marathon with no problem. He told me if he stopped smoking, he would die ( something will happen to him).This is the belief of most heavy smokers.They cannot stop.

One day, I met him and I asked him whether he had stopped smoking. He told me he had stopped. I congratulated him. But he lifted up his ship and showed me his chest scar. He had a lung tumour removed - successfully!!! Another good friend of mine, a very heavy smoker too, had a bypass surgery.Now he does not smoke or drink. He is grateful to be alive!

Do not wait to stop smoking until something happened. Stop NOW!
 
I know someone who was diagnosed with breast cancer last year. She refused chemo therapy treatment.

This is what she did:
1. Totally stopped taking in any sugars
2. Only ate home cook meals consisting of different vegetables, pulses, red rice, fruits,....
3. Added supplements like:
broccoli http://www.iherb.com/Source-Natural...isc=0&lc=en-US&w=broccoli&rc=821&sr=null&ic=1
DIM http://www.iherb.com/Source-Natural...s=1&disc=0&lc=en-US&w=dim&rc=122&sr=null&ic=1
Good quality Multi-vitamins, Vitamin B complexes, ...etc e.g. Graden of Life products http://www.iherb.com/search?kw=garden+of+life&x=0&y=0#p=1
Liph supplement http://www.liphsolutions.com/
Carnitine, C0Q10, EGCG green tea,....
Expensive Fucoidan from Japan. Can't include the brand here because it is in Japanese. If anyone wants the telephone number let me know. It's I think $288 per bottle. In Spore they deliver to your doorstep
Went to a holistic doctor who prescribed pills & a water she had to drink daily.

In 1 to 2 years time, the breast cancer dried up & reduced in size. Today she is healthy & was told by her doctor at TTH that she only has to make yearly visits:)

In her case she refused the so called "medical " options because she is over 70, she is not wealthy, she is aware of the side effects of chemo therapy. The important thing is that she has a clean bill of health & she only needs to do maintenance
 
Thank you Johnny for sharing. I do agree....

There are many "charlatans" oncologists our there. Do be very careful. Better to consult and have a second if not a third opinion if any doctor wants to start on " special and highly recommended" chemotherapy. Some of these may cause up to $10K a jab!!! And you have to take at least a course of 10 jabs weekly.....And many of these "desperate" patients eventually died - a pauper.
 
Let me share this story with you.

68 years old Malaysian lady with leukaemia - widespread and terminal. She was already dying and her red blood was very low , she was literally gasping for breadth. Her Malaysian doctor recommended a very famous oncologist in Singapore who gave her 40% survival rate. This lady was from JB and her children lived here in Singapore. So every week, the children would bring their very sick mother ( on oxygen tube) to the oncologist and to have her special injection which cost her $5K a jab. This went on for several sessions and the blood results showed some improvement.

But the patient was very sick despite the chemotherapy.But the family continued their filial duty and eventually after the 8th session with the famous Singaporean oncologist, the mother died.

It is very difficult if the doctor gave the patient a slim chance of survival. It is very difficult for the family, despite their tight financial situation, to refuse to give their mother any support. It is also very difficult for the patient to refuse treatment once the doctor promised a slim chance of cure.

So it is a very tough decision for the patient and also for the family. The doctor should be very frank, very honest and very ethical to tell the family that the prognosis is poor and they should prepare themselves for the death of their beloved mother. But very few doctors would want to say that to their patient and to the patient's family....For various reasons of their own.

It is a very sad scenario to see terminal cancer patient being treated vigorously and the family and care -givers being drained financially. Where is the heart? Where is the compassion? Where is the professional ethics, accountability and responsiblity? Sad...very sad indeed.
 
see wha kinds of threads are being started here?

you can see the profile of a typical premier member? :D

I hope WE can ALL raise the standard of our discussion by being less disruptive, less trolling and less mischievous.

More friendly.Less flaming. Less combatant and adversarial. Less confrontational and more discursive??? Yes???
Shall we ??? Thank you.
 
in Australia, the government pay for it.

Keep supporting a government that doesn't care and paid themselves millions, hope this time you open your eyes big big to see the real pictures here.

Let me share this story with you.


It is a very sad scenario to see terminal cancer patient being treated vigorously and the family and care -givers being drained financially. Where is the heart? Where is the compassion? Where is the professional ethics, accountability and responsiblity? Sad...very sad indeed.
 
If you can, don't smoke at home for what ever reasons.
Have relatives that the husband smoke for many years, wife came down with Lung Cancer. Not sure whether, if it is due to second hand smoking. But if it can be avoided or prevented, why not.

Best is to quit, if you ask me.


Second hand smoke is bad.

I used to go to Isaacs for my glasses. Used to because Ms. Ong who was the opthamologist there passed away from lung cancer. She didn't smoke whereas Mr. & Mrs Isaacs are heavy smokers . Just imagine the amount of 2nd hand smoke she was exposed to.

My broker who does not smoke also passed away from lung cancer. In Spore many building are designed to be air tight to keep the aircon air in. I'm glad that it is now illegal to smoke in these buildings. However before smoking indoors was banned, many people were exposed to 2nd hand smoke in the indoor environment. There are also plenty of chemicals used in office furniture, materials, paints... etc which are toxic.
 
I totally agree.

I have a friend who sweared to me he just cannot stop smoking. He was chain smoking for more than 40 years and he can still boast of running the marathon with no problem. He told me if he stopped smoking, he would die ( something will happen to him).This is the belief of most heavy smokers.They cannot stop.

One day, I met him and I asked him whether he had stopped smoking. He told me he had stopped. I congratulated him. But he lifted up his ship and showed me his chest scar. He had a lung tumour removed - successfully!!! Another good friend of mine, a very heavy smoker too, had a bypass surgery.Now he does not smoke or drink. He is grateful to be alive!

Do not wait to stop smoking until something happened. Stop NOW!

Yes, I understand where you are coming from.
Another friend, early 40s. Suddenly disappeared for half a year, when saw him, asked him what happened.
Told me he got lung cancer, half the lung got removed. Luckily, he said only one side of the lung affected, thus removed. Now left with one lung.
Cannot do heavy stuff or walk stairs or even brisk walking. Get breathless very easily.
Got to go for quarterly checks to make sure the other lung is ok. If any signs of cancer, game over, if you ask me.
Heavy smoker at that time. Now no more.
But very thankful he told me to still be alive!!
 
if you cane tone down the support for PAP you will be doing fine. You know this site is declared by Boss the most offensive one and yet you come here try to brain wash these die hard anti-PAP.

I hope WE can ALL raise the standard of our discussion by being less disruptive, less trolling and less mischievous.

More friendly.Less flaming. Less combatant and adversarial. Less confrontational and more discursive??? Yes???
Shall we ??? Thank you.
 
http://www.newscientist.com/article...ammed-blood-cells.html?full=true#.Up1Lm5Ckf0w

Engineer immune cells to recognise tumour cells they would otherwise overlook and they call a halt to cancers we thought were incurable

Editorial: "Beating cancer by blocking off its escape routes"

"THE results are holding up very nicely." Cancer researcher Michel Sadelain is admirably understated about the success of a treatment developed in his lab at the Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center in New York.

In March, he announced that five people with a type of blood cancer called acute lymphoblastic leukaemia (ALL) were in remission following treatment with genetically engineered immune cells from their own blood. One person's tumours disappeared in just eight days.

Sadelain has now told New Scientist that a further 11 people have been treated, almost all of them with the same outcome. Several trials for other cancers are also showing promise.

What has changed is that researchers are finding ways to train the body's own immune system to kill cancer cells. Until now, the most common methods of attacking cancer use drugs or radiation, which have major side effects and are blunt instruments to say the least.

The latest techniques involve genetically engineering immune T-cells to target and kill cancer cells, while leaving healthy cells relatively unscathed.

T-cells normally travel around the body clearing sickly or infected cells. Cancer cells can sometimes escape their attention by activating receptors on their surface that tell T-cells not to attack. ALL affects another type of immune cell, the B-cells, so Sadelain takes T-cells from people with ALL and modifies them to recognise CD19, a surface protein on all B-cells – whether cancerous or healthy. After being injected back into the patient, the reprogrammed T-cells destroy all B-cells in the person's body. This means they need bone marrow transplants afterwards to rebuild their immune systems. But because ALL affects only B-cells, the therapy guarantees that all the cancerous cells are destroyed.

A team led by Carl June from the University of Pennsylvania in Philadelphia used the same technique to treat several children with ALL, including Emily Whitehead (pictured right). He will present the latest results in December at the American Society of Hematology meeting in New Orleans. He will also report on the progress of adults with chronic lymphocytic leukaemia, who were treated with a similar technique that targeted B-cells, including some who are still in remission three years later.

Other teams are developing more targeted forms of immunotherapy, engineering T-cells to recognise markers that only cancer cells possess. What gives T-cells this potential, is that they can home in on what is going on inside cells, as well as outside. This vastly expands the range of potential targets.

Inside all cells, proteins are routinely broken apart and the resultant debris of tiny fragments called peptides are ferried to the cell surface by molecules called human leukocyte antigens (HLAs). These peptides then get inspected by passing T-cells – a process that allows the immune system to routinely check what is going on inside cells.

If the peptide fragment looks normal, the T-cell gives the OK and moves on, but if it is abnormal, perhaps because of a viral invasion or cancer mutation, the T-cell will destroy the cell (see diagram). But sometimes, for unknown reasons, mutated cancer peptides are seen as healthy by T-cells and are ignored.

So now, researchers are reprogramming T-cells to respond specifically to peptides with hallmarks of cancer delivered to the surface from within cells.

Once such peptides are identified, there are two ways to engineer T-cells to seal cancer's fate. The first involves taking a person's T-cells and engineering them so they have new genes that make new receptors. These receptors bind exclusively to the cancer peptide, so once they are injected, the T-cells home in on and destroy all cells that contain the peptide.

The second way is to produce artificial T-cell receptors that are primed to recognise a cancer peptide. These receptors contain features that enable them to kill cancer cells once they have bound to them. These features include arms that summon passing native T-cells, or toxic chemicals that kill cells exposed to them.

The first technique has put 16 out of 20 people with myeloid myeloma into remission for two years. They had a T-cell treatment by Adaptimmune in Oxford, UK, that targets a peptide called NY-ESO created inside tumour cells.

It has also put one of two people with a cancer called synovial sarcoma into remission – a first for this kind of cancer. "She was so ill it was a close call whether to go ahead," says Bent Jakobsen, Adaptimmune's chief scientific officer. "She had more than 200 secondary tumours in her chest, lungs and lymph nodes – yet she had a complete response and everything disappeared. That was nine months ago, so we're waiting to see what happens." The treatment didn't work for the second person, but the results for the first are good reason to pursue the therapy, says Jakobsen.

The NY-ESO peptide is found in many other cancers, including melanoma, liver, prostate, breast, ovarian and lung cancer. Earlier this year, Adaptimmune began a trial involving women with ovarian cancer.

And there are plenty of other peptides to target. Adaptimmune and another Oxford-based company, Immunocore, have so far identified 25 peptides specific to cancer cells. The big guns are starting to take note: earlier this year, Genentech of San Francisco and British pharmaceutical giant GlaxoSmithKline signed agreements to develop treatments using Immunocore's targets.

Jakobsen says companies have had to proceed with great care after the catastrophic outcome of a trial of an immune-altering "super-antibody" in 2006 by defunct German company TeGenero. The therapy left six people fighting for life after their immune systems overreacted to the new antibody, triggering massive inflammation and organ failure. Guidelines introduced since then require companies to proceed far more cautiously, increasing doses very gradually.

But the promising results suggest T-cells could be the way forward. "T-cells are smart, living drugs," says Sadelain. Early next year, he hopes to begin T-cell trials for prostate and lung cancer. "I think it will be a very exciting decade of targeting an increasing array of cancers," he says.

This article appeared in print under the headline "Cancer meets its nemesis"
 
talk so much no use. Uncle show you how to cure any sickness.

1. Step 1 is to not feed the viruses, what ever viruses ,is growing know as cancer.

2. No step 2.

3. Go hungry that is fasting. Eat only porridge and kiam chye with chai poh stuff and little mince pork mixed with the chok. Eat more carbo.

4. Do not eat chicken at all. Chicken is a virus boosters feeding the viruses which is the last thing you want to feed.

5. How long to do that is up to you?

6. No Step 3. Your own body immune will activiate and kill the weak viruses and pass of as shit.

7. No step 4. When you are hungry you will shit more often and that is where the auto body cleansing start, natural system of cleaning.

8. No step 5 . When you crave for food you know you have recovered, go check up see the progress.

9. No step 6. If it works keep quiet, top secret.

10. Got step 7 - prepare for funeral if above doesn't help.



http://www.newscientist.com/article...ammed-blood-cells.html?full=true#.Up1Lm5Ckf0w

Engineer immune cells to recognise tumour cells they would otherwise overlook and they call a halt to cancers we thought were incurable

Editorial: "Beating cancer by blocking off its escape routes"

This article appeared in print under the headline "Cancer meets its nemesis"
 
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I hope WE can ALL raise the standard of our discussion by being less disruptive, less trolling and less mischievous.

More friendly.Less flaming. Less combatant and adversarial. Less confrontational and more discursive??? Yes???
Shall we ??? Thank you.

Kopi, we welcome any papzis wanting to join us in a healthy and robust discussion. We are ever eager to engage you in a friendly and mature manner. But when you or they do come, it is almost always non-sensical and meaningless stuff that is brought up. No real substance.

Just like cancers which must not be allowed to grow uninhibited, this nonsense cancerous kopi-O must be snuffed out before all of us here are infected too.

We must be ever watchful for trouble makers http://www.handbag.com/life/news/a5...are-literally-forcing-your-heart-to-beat.html
 
Kopi, we welcome any papzis wanting to join us in a healthy and robust discussion. We are ever eager to engage you in a friendly and mature manner. But when you or they do come, it is almost always non-sensical and meaningless stuff that is brought up. No real substance.

Just like cancers which must not be allowed to grow uninhibited, this nonsense cancerous kopi-O must be snuffed out before all of us here are infected too.

We must be ever watchful for trouble makers http://www.handbag.com/life/news/a5...are-literally-forcing-your-heart-to-beat.html

your points are well noted...sama sama....lol
 
your points are well noted...sama sama....lol
kopiuncle: if i don't more cars this month, i will lose my ass!!!!!!
ilovesingapore: same here, if i don'tsell more ass this month, i will lose my car.
 
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There are few option.
1. Rich>>> have many choice treatment in private hospital/oversea
2. Middle class>> morgage house/property
3. Poor>> no money >>> better stay in jail by commit theft and prison will bear for medical cost


Or short cut >>> suicide.

Summed up nicely....
For those taking the last option (suicide), make it count by taking a vile miw down with you....
 
Good idea. But how will you deal with the pain?
if i would to get cancer, i take out all my saving and spend it on holiday and stuffs.
i am not giving a cent to the stupid doctors for miracle cure even when chances are bad.
it is time to go. it is time to go.
 
just visit www.cancertutor.com, all answers are there..........safe, affordable and effective.........


I can't remember who but it was a legendary cancer doctor that said.........

''cancer occurs when the metabolization of sugar is replaced by fermentation of sugar''
 
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3. Go hungry that is fasting. Eat only porridge and kiam chye with chai poh stuff and little mince pork mixed with the chok. Eat more carbo.

4. Do not eat chicken at all. Chicken is a virus boosters feeding the viruses which is the last thing you want to feed.....



If you look at Budwig & Gerson anti-cancer protocols. They advise against eating meat. It is no secret that meats are tainted with antibiotics & hormones & other dangerous chemicals.
The only meat that the Budwig protocol allows is fish. It is recommended that someone with cancer eat fish sparingly. However nowadays even fishes are tainted e.g. mercury.

Dr. Max Gerson came up with the Gerson protocol by using his medical knowledge & observing the effects on his patients various treatments. So after years of trials he came up with what works & what did did not. After 50 years of observation the protocol was refined to what it is today.

Both protocols include coffee enemas as a method of opening the channels for detoxing. They also emphasis the emotional aspects: avoiding stress, getting fresh air & sun.
 
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