What 6.9 million? It is 8 million!

[DuYunQi]

Commercial (B2B) goods to the manufacturing sector. Sales in this sector to Singapore manufacurers involves working with purchasers and sometime technical staff in the production or R&D. English is mostly used but sometimes especially when the interaction moves on to "small talk," it is in casual Hokkien, or rather Singlish. Once the relationship is established and ongoing, the conversation on business essentials only involves delivery schedules on repeat orders, stock replenishment. Sales visits comes down to periodic goodwill visits and year-end or festive "gifts."

Yes, the demand for the goods due to other factors dictate the volume of sales, but the relationship forged by the salesperson with the customers keeps the business from going to the competitor. In this, sometimes speaking Hokkien (or other local lingos) help. Of course when speaking to the decision maker in a large MNC, you won't need it. All our local sales people are able to switch between English and a couple of Chinese dialects. Our company I believe pays a fair "market rate." Else our sales blokes would run off to our competitors.

Cheers!

I disagree that ALL our local sales people can switch from English to Mandarin or dialects. That is entirely YOUR OWN ASSUMPTION! With no concrete proof.

A sweeping statement like that shows how little you know of Singapore. Not all sales people can switch, as not all are fluent in English and Mandarin.. and less are exposed to dialects nowadays. It is those who are over 35 that might be able to converse well in English, Mandarin and a dialect.

How long have you been away from SG? Geez.. speak to the younger generation.. the "speak mandarin" campaign has worked "wonders".. they either can't speak in their mother-tongue (dialects) or don't even understand and can't use it to save their lives.

And please don't lecture me on B2B and what-nots. You didn't even attempt to see my point of suppressing wages in relation to ever-rising living costs.

Don't evade the issues.. please don't behave like pappies

 

[DuYunQi]

It is not the government that wants these people flooding Singapore, it is the owners of workshops, restaurants, logistics, construction and manufacturing companies that need them. The various branches of the government only facilitate and legitimise their availability. The government will get voted out if they do not make available the necessary labour for these industries to function. Just talk to the owners of any fabrication company in the industrial estates and ask them how they solve their labour woes. For the government, just their tough luck that they get the blame for these ill-feelings.

Unfortunately, Singapore is in that situation where if you got nothing to sell, you sell your body (like prostitutes).

Cheers!


Sinkapore is a hooker then, available to the highest bidder. That's not the kind of foreign policy a peesai should adopt. We get dumped easily because no one gives a damn after having used us and paid for it.

Cheers!

[/QUOTE]

Bullshit! Who owns all the land in SG? Who keeps raising living costs? Rental is always going up.. causing everything to follow suit.

If you can't see this.. then you truly need to be amongst the REAL Singaporeans.. and not the foreign trash that has probably clouded your sights.

 

[winnipegjets]

The people have got to break from relying on the government to provide all the solutions and do something for themselves.

Cheers!

Sinkees are mixed up by government policies ...we have been conditioned to be self reliant - there is no unemployment insurance, we pay our own medical bills with little help from government, there is NO real subsidy for flats - yet the government dictates so much of our lives. We are forced to rely on the government as their policies are screwing up our lives. The cost of living has shot up over the years, not because sinkees have become richer but it is the flooding of our land with foreigners. The rich foreigners have pushed up the cost of public housing, the less well off have strained our transit system to the point of regular breakdowns of the trains and have undercut sinkees for jobs.
Sinkees are not the problem, it is the PAP government that is creating all these problems for us.

 

[johnny333]

I think there is an elections committee or some organization that sees that they are not rigged. And so far, no one has pointed a finger at the PAP that they've cheated in elections. They've just been more clever than their enemies at garnering more votes. That's just part of politics. i wouldn't vote for them, but it is not my job to convince others.

Cheers!

There are plenty ways to fix the opposition. Some of it are even legal e.g. the failure to meet financial requirements that the PAP set, the cooling off period, ...
In the last election there were questions about how the PAP seemed to be able to post more posters than the opposition. There was also cases of people going around in trucks removing opposition posters.

Who can forget how the PAP broke the election law when Goh Chok Tong, Dr Tony Tan and Lee Hsien Loong was inside a Cheng San GRC polling station on Polling Day.

There are probably lots of other cases of funny business that never got publicity because of the lazy local media.
In the next GE I expect even more funny business as they become more desperate.

 

[Agoraphobic]

Where did your read that I said ALL the sales people can switch from English to Mandarin or dialects? And what do you mean by ALL? Fren, I am only referring to the sales people in my company, I never appointed myself to speak for ALL sales people in Peesai. Yes, and I repeat here again - ALL the sales people in my company are comfortable in English and Mandarin with the exception of one - me.

I was away from Peesai over ten years. And as for English skills in Peesai, they have fallen. However, this doesn't affect or bother me. I get by comfortably with English alone.

I can't behave like pappies, I don't play or even like golf.

Cheers!

I disagree that ALL our local sales people can switch from English to Mandarin or dialects. That is entirely YOUR OWN ASSUMPTION! With no concrete proof.

A sweeping statement like that shows how little you know of Singapore. Not all sales people can switch, as not all are fluent in English and Mandarin.. and less are exposed to dialects nowadays. It is those who are over 35 that might be able to converse well in English, Mandarin and a dialect.

How long have you been away from SG? Geez.. speak to the younger generation.. the "speak mandarin" campaign has worked "wonders".. they either can't speak in their mother-tongue (dialects) or don't even understand and can't use it to save their lives.

And please don't lecture me on B2B and what-nots. You didn't even attempt to see my point of suppressing wages in relation to ever-rising living costs.

Don't evade the issues.. please don't behave like pappies

 

[Agoraphobic]

Of course rentals are always going up. Tell me where in the world have they been going down?

Cheers!


Bullshit! Who owns all the land in SG? Who keeps raising living costs? Rental is always going up.. causing everything to follow suit.

If you can't see this.. then you truly need to be amongst the REAL Singaporeans.. and not the foreign trash that has probably clouded your sights.[/QUOTE]

 

[Agoraphobic]

Sorry to hear this. However, Singaporeans have been obediantly pliant. I believe many are supportive of PAP policies and believe that they deliver the goods. Its freedom of choice I suppose. I personally didn't like them way back in secondary school days and this was confirmed in 1977 when the authorities banned full face helmets for motorcyclists. Anyone who could do that have no regard for life or safety. What was even more shocing was the the Traffic Police officially kept their mouths shut. Fuck them.

Cheers!

Sinkees are mixed up by government policies ...we have been conditioned to be self reliant - there is no unemployment insurance, we pay our own medical bills with little help from government, there is NO real subsidy for flats - yet the government dictates so much of our lives. We are forced to rely on the government as their policies are screwing up our lives. The cost of living has shot up over the years, not because sinkees have become richer but it is the flooding of our land with foreigners. The rich foreigners have pushed up the cost of public housing, the less well off have strained our transit system to the point of regular breakdowns of the trains and have undercut sinkees for jobs.
Sinkees are not the problem, it is the PAP government that is creating all these problems for us.

 

[rushifa666]

oh yeah banks love full face helmets. good for fights too. every motorcyclist knows you land on your head its game over. Full face ensures a pretty face when they bury you. that's about it.

 

[Agoraphobic]

There never was any bank robbery with robbers wearing full face helmets except on TV. It was an episode of Hawaii Five-O where it happened.

If you`ve ever been on the road, you will have noticed that pebbles and stones get spun off from tires and can hit a person in the face. Such incidents have caused windshield cracks, imagine if it hit the face! And not only were full face helments banned, motorcycle visors and goggles also were banned at that time. So much for rules that cared.

Helmets are not fool proof, but it is safer to have them on than not when in an accident, that`s all.

And what`s this about fights. I think agility would be more useful in a fight than having some of your vision obscured. Think a little.

Cheers!

oh yeah banks love full face helmets. good for fights too. every motorcyclist knows you land on your head its game over. Full face ensures a pretty face when they bury you. that's about it.

 

[johnny333]

oh yeah banks love full face helmets. good for fights too. every motorcyclist knows you land on your head its game over. Full face ensures a pretty face when they bury you. that's about it.

If you have ever ridden a motorcycle you'd understand the benefits of a full face protection when it rains.

 

[cunnosieur]

MR LKY LECTURE TO YOUNGER MINISTERS BEFORE HE DIEs...JUST LIKE UNCLE CHOO...

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NABEH...LION BECOMING PUSSYCAT EH...YOU BUNCH OF KUNIANGs....ALL 302s EH!

 

[soIsee]

The debate of survival in Sinkland has only one critical issue.

Individuals have to have the means and the money to keep flowing in to keep themselves alive.

And I mean alot of money even if it is for the survival of ONE person.

If you cannot make it. Your kins are unlikely to be able to help you cos even they are struggling.

The PaP performs wayang and the rest just watch what is going to happen to you as years go by.

I am talking about folks mostly liviing in public housing, no golden spoon in their mouths earning the below $5k pay with children t feed, parents to care and many contingencies to surprise them.

You die your own biz, Sinkie. You can go on arguring even going off topics like what fuck language you speak.

But what fuck will it make when you realise you are in debt and running out of cash or anything that can be converted to cash.

You see why the authorities are granting more licences for loan shops and pawn shops and unless you feel you will never come to that stage. Then you are lucky.

 

[cunnosieur]

MR LKY LECTURE TO YOUNGER MINISTERS BEFORE HE DIEs...JUST LIKE UNCLE CHOO...

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NABEH...LION BECOMING PUSSYCAT EH...YOU BUNCH OF 302s...THINK I DUNNO EH!

 

[DuYunQi]

This Agoraphobic is wasting time.
First, can't even post clearly, read your own post to see why I thought you were saying about all SG's sales people.
Never put spacing or paragraphing properly.. and doesn't write clearly.

I would have posted "all the local sales people at MY COMPANY can switch..." which you later clarified.. AFTER you were "caught".

And then.. you say "rent is going up around the world".. what nonsense.. read what you posted. You posted that the SG govt is not to be blamed.. and yet you AGREE that rent is going up in SG.. I don't care that much about rent in the rest of the world... let's focus on SG.. where err.. who controls ALL THE LAND?!!

If they, the govt, are not the ones who are "driving" companies and businesses to go for cheaper labour, then who is? The customers? Other market forces? Compare a SG worker.. especially the males.. who have to go through National Service.. then most probably to Higher Education, eg university.. their pay would be higher than the foreigners.. so why would a company or a business hire someone who is costing them more, over a foreigner who would cost them less?

And is the govt doing enough to prevent such practices to happen in the first place? If they were, why come up with an initiative that suggests.. suggests, not TELLS or DEMANDS the companies and businesses to "consider SG people" first.. then if none are suitable.. open it up for foreigners?

If it wasn't bad.. would such a "suggestion" be put out to try to even the playing field?

Don't post so much about what you think is... cos what you think.. certainly isn't what is actually happening in SG. You probably don't take the MRT or bus to work or anywhere else, right? Where do you live? Condo? And your job was like.. given to you.. practically.. as according to what you said.. so.. how WOULD YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT THE AVERAGE SG PEOPLE ARE GOING THROUGH?!!

Get off your high horse.. and smell the shit all around.. you have been smelling the cheap perfume of ah nehs and pinoys for far too long.. take a deep breath and realize what pappies have done for the average SG people.

 

[Agoraphobic]

Yes. Coming to sammyboy forum is wasting time to begin with. But to me, it is time well wasted. I normally get a good laugh reading the posts here. Yours is no different. If my grammatical and/or punctuation mistakes have misdirected you, I would appreciate you to highlight where I've erred, it would certainly help me. If you've read my posts out of context, it is not my fault, or anybody's, but the reader's. And I wouldn't apologise for that.

I see Sg's directions in context and in relation with those of the region's and the rest of the world's, and I don't see anything wrong with that. Who control's the land? I suppose it's the one who holds the title deed as far as the law is concerned. You wish to dispute that, you're on your own.

And yes, the gov't isn't the one responsible for driving up the prices, it's the private sector. Don't like it, you are free to move next door. Nobody is stopping you. For those hiring labour, they have a choice of hiring some cheaper locally, if they can find one, or outsource. Again, it is your pick. It is an open free world.

As for "seeing it through the eyes of an average Singaporean," well, I am not a Singaporean, but a foreigner paying Singapore taxes, I have served NS as a Singaporean, and been through the Singaporean education system. So if it helps, I am not an "average" Singaporean apart from eating my meals at local foodcourts and patronising local malls. I see things as a working class human being, and a sense of fair play is most important to me no matter what the game is. As far as I am concerned, Singaporeans got the government you guys voted for, more good years. And that is what you got. You should be a happy and grateful citizen.

Cheers!

This Agoraphobic is wasting time.
First, can't even post clearly, read your own post to see why I thought you were saying about all SG's sales people.
Never put spacing or paragraphing properly.. and doesn't write clearly.

I would have posted "all the local sales people at MY COMPANY can switch..." which you later clarified.. AFTER you were "caught".

And then.. you say "rent is going up around the world".. what nonsense.. read what you posted. You posted that the SG govt is not to be blamed.. and yet you AGREE that rent is going up in SG.. I don't care that much about rent in the rest of the world... let's focus on SG.. where err.. who controls ALL THE LAND?!!

If they, the govt, are not the ones who are "driving" companies and businesses to go for cheaper labour, then who is? The customers? Other market forces? Compare a SG worker.. especially the males.. who have to go through National Service.. then most probably to Higher Education, eg university.. their pay would be higher than the foreigners.. so why would a company or a business hire someone who is costing them more, over a foreigner who would cost them less?

And is the govt doing enough to prevent such practices to happen in the first place? If they were, why come up with an initiative that suggests.. suggests, not TELLS or DEMANDS the companies and businesses to "consider SG people" first.. then if none are suitable.. open it up for foreigners?

If it wasn't bad.. would such a "suggestion" be put out to try to even the playing field?

Don't post so much about what you think is... cos what you think.. certainly isn't what is actually happening in SG. You probably don't take the MRT or bus to work or anywhere else, right? Where do you live? Condo? And your job was like.. given to you.. practically.. as according to what you said.. so.. how WOULD YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT THE AVERAGE SG PEOPLE ARE GOING THROUGH?!!

Get off your high horse.. and smell the shit all around.. you have been smelling the cheap perfume of ah nehs and pinoys for far too long.. take a deep breath and realize what pappies have done for the average SG people.

 

[DuYunQi]

Yes. Coming to sammyboy forum is wasting time to begin with. But to me, it is time well wasted. I normally get a good laugh reading the posts here. Yours is no different. If my grammatical and/or punctuation mistakes have misdirected you, I would appreciate you to highlight where I've erred, it would certainly help me. If you've read my posts out of context, it is not my fault, or anybody's, but the reader's. And I wouldn't apologise for that.

I see Sg's directions in context and in relation with those of the region's and the rest of the world's, and I don't see anything wrong with that. Who control's the land? I suppose it's the one who holds the title deed as far as the law is concerned. You wish to dispute that, you're on your own.

And yes, the gov't isn't the one responsible for driving up the prices, it's the private sector. Don't like it, you are free to move next door. Nobody is stopping you. For those hiring labour, they have a choice of hiring some cheaper locally, if they can find one, or outsource. Again, it is your pick. It is an open free world.

As for "seeing it through the eyes of an average Singaporean," well, I am not a Singaporean, but a foreigner paying Singapore taxes, I have served NS as a Singaporean, and been through the Singaporean education system. So if it helps, I am not an "average" Singaporean apart from eating my meals at local foodcourts and patronising local malls. I see things as a working class human being, and a sense of fair play is most important to me no matter what the game is. As far as I am concerned, Singaporeans got the government you guys voted for, more good years. And that is what you got. You should be a happy and grateful citizen.

Cheers!

You would love for your above post to be taken seriously.. but forget it cos no one will ever believe you.. so you try to push it here.. to a smaller internet communty.. rather than at sg forums.. for you know you will be shot down.

Everyone knows that businesses can only operate if the place/country/location they are in allows them to do so. Google left China cos they felt that their business was being restricted.. and maybe worse.. spied upon. What foolish stuff about private sector pushing up prices are you trying to pull?

If govt sets up anti-discrimination laws to begin with, why bother about persuading companies to "consider Sinaporeans" first? The companies have free rein.. that's why nothing serious has been done. IMHO if the govt is really serious about stemming the flow of foreigners taking up SG ppl's jobs, laws should be put in place.. not just "words of advice".

Business will always have to work within laws and regulations of the places they want to do business and operate.. they cannot dictate and do what they please.. unless the place/location/country ALLOWS them to do so.. or closes one eye or even both eyes.

You have lost all manner of getting ppl to believe you once you made that statement that "govt is not responsible", for the one thing that gets the country going.. and also to maintain the country keeps on track and stays healthy and also wealthy, is how the govt runs it. Wealthy nations may not be healthy nations.. for if the wealth flows to the minority, instead of flowing out to all, then there will be dissatisfaction all around the nation.

And that is happening here and now.. in SG. You.. are.. blind, not to see this. And you are selling "fake medicine" for trying to lead others into believing that the govt has no responsibility and nothing to do with the pains that SG ppl are feeling now.

You will not see my post to you, for I tire of such nonsense from the likes of liars and tongue-twisters. Go ahead n laugh, for it may be the last you have before you are booted out of SG for being a foreigner.

 

[winnipegjets]

And yes, the gov't isn't the one responsible for driving up the prices, it's the private sector. Don't like it, you are free to move next door. Nobody is stopping you. For those hiring labour, they have a choice of hiring some cheaper locally, if they can find one, or outsource. Again, it is your pick. It is an open free world.

Cheers!

It is NOT an open free world. If it is, most sinkees would have left. Would Canada let sinkees move there without any restrictions?
It is only in sinkapore that let any ah nehs, ah tiongs, pinoys and everyone in. And you are a beneficiary of that policy.

 

[escher]

You would love for your above post to be taken seriously.. but forget it cos no one will ever believe you.. so you try to push it here.. to a smaller internet communty.. rather than at sg forums.. for you know you will be shot down.

Everyone knows that businesses can only operate if the place/country/location they are in allows them to do so. Google left China cos they felt that their business was being restricted.. and maybe worse.. spied upon. What foolish stuff about private sector pushing up prices are you trying to pull?

If govt sets up anti-discrimination laws to begin with, why bother about persuading companies to "consider Sinaporeans" first? The companies have free rein.. that's why nothing serious has been done. IMHO if the govt is really serious about stemming the flow of foreigners taking up SG ppl's jobs, laws should be put in place.. not just "words of advice".

Business will always have to work within laws and regulations of the places they want to do business and operate.. they cannot dictate and do what they please.. unless the place/location/country ALLOWS them to do so.. or closes one eye or even both eyes.

You have lost all manner of getting ppl to believe you once you made that statement that "govt is not responsible", for the one thing that gets the country going.. and also to maintain the country keeps on track and stays healthy and also wealthy, is how the govt runs it. Wealthy nations may not be healthy nations.. for if the wealth flows to the minority, instead of flowing out to all, then there will be dissatisfaction all around the nation.

And that is happening here and now.. in SG. You.. are.. blind, not to see this. And you are selling "fake medicine" for trying to lead others into believing that the govt has no responsibility and nothing to do with the pains that SG ppl are feeling now.

You will not see my post to you, for I tire of such nonsense from the likes of liars and tongue-twisters. Go ahead n laugh, for it may be the last you have before you are booted out of SG for being a foreigner.

I also decided to put that agoraphopic into my ignore bin and hello kitty that mealy mouth PAP bastard

 

[Agoraphobic]

Fren, firstly you got most all of what I wrote wrong. The government does not set the salary rates, they merely try to facilitate the available labour to provide for businesses that require them. What salary scale for which job(s) are set by the government? When they themselves hire people, they have to pay market rate. That's how they even justify their own salaries for crying out loud!

The policies the government has laid down are concerned with social policies, safety regulations, and possibly qualifications to what they know at the time(s) they were implemented. They do not set the pay rates - that's for the individual companies to determine what they can pay in their industries, whether for a pilot, truck driver, or security guard.

You make it sound like you wish the government should be responsible for every aspect of people's lives. Oh yes, certain areas like minimum wage for foreign maids are set by them so as to prevent/lessen any exploitation of lower wrung workers. And I don't see any locals displaced, in fact, some Singaporeans are saying that the pay for maids is too high! The government has no intention to stem or allow the free inflow of labour, but recent tightenings to appease the locals have only caused SMEs to rethink relocation because of difficulty of getting labour. Just middle of this week I was talking to a local computing company boss who was looking to Indonesia to outsource for IT qualified blokes. For the price of one Sinkie, he could get three or four Indons.

I don't know about you, but if I were the one deciding who to employ for whatever position, my criteria is not based on nationality but ability. And if I can find one who can do the same for less, my offer will go to that person. There's a book entitled "Guerilla tactics in the job market" - all school leavers should read that.

For God's sake, don't depend on the government to do everything for you all, they're here for their own careers. If you think any government is for the people, keep waiting.

Cheers!

You would love for your above post to be taken seriously.. but forget it cos no one will ever believe you.. so you try to push it here.. to a smaller internet communty.. rather than at sg forums.. for you know you will be shot down.

Everyone knows that businesses can only operate if the place/country/location they are in allows them to do so. Google left China cos they felt that their business was being restricted.. and maybe worse.. spied upon. What foolish stuff about private sector pushing up prices are you trying to pull?

If govt sets up anti-discrimination laws to begin with, why bother about persuading companies to "consider Sinaporeans" first? The companies have free rein.. that's why nothing serious has been done. IMHO if the govt is really serious about stemming the flow of foreigners taking up SG ppl's jobs, laws should be put in place.. not just "words of advice".

Business will always have to work within laws and regulations of the places they want to do business and operate.. they cannot dictate and do what they please.. unless the place/location/country ALLOWS them to do so.. or closes one eye or even both eyes.

You have lost all manner of getting ppl to believe you once you made that statement that "govt is not responsible", for the one thing that gets the country going.. and also to maintain the country keeps on track and stays healthy and also wealthy, is how the govt runs it. Wealthy nations may not be healthy nations.. for if the wealth flows to the minority, instead of flowing out to all, then there will be dissatisfaction all around the nation.

And that is happening here and now.. in SG. You.. are.. blind, not to see this. And you are selling "fake medicine" for trying to lead others into believing that the govt has no responsibility and nothing to do with the pains that SG ppl are feeling now.

You will not see my post to you, for I tire of such nonsense from the likes of liars and tongue-twisters. Go ahead n laugh, for it may be the last you have before you are booted out of SG for being a foreigner.

 

[Agoraphobic]

Yes, it is not an open free world. Just that some countries are more free than others. Canada, in much the same way as Singapore allows outsiders in to work only if they have obtained employment approval from a company in Canada. In Singapore, its the same too. You can come into Singapore on a Social Pass which does not allow one to work, and have that converted into an S Pass or work permit if the employer submits your application. In Canada, if you land without an employment authorization or landed immigrant status, you have to produce your air ticket to fly out at the immigration otherwise you can't step out of the airport. The difference is that the unemployment in Canada is way higher (don't know what it is now, but when I landed in the mid-nineties, it was 12.5%! Singapore is likely less thatn 2 or 3% or even less). Canada lost a lot of manufacturing jobs to Mexico and Asian countries. Singapore is only now facing this. Myself, I am employed in sales but not to Singapore customers but to regional ASEAN countries.

Cheers!

It is NOT an open free world. If it is, most sinkees would have left. Would Canada let sinkees move there without any restrictions?
It is only in sinkapore that let any ah nehs, ah tiongs, pinoys and everyone in. And you are a beneficiary of that policy.