Post-dated approval.
Anyway, jokes aside and use your brain. Singapore was and is in no position to disapprove Stanford, whether for medical or other faculties.
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Tony Tan & Son lose the plot or jus tplain dishonest
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:oIo:There are 2 key issues here : the deferment and his subsequent deployment upon his return. Both are contentious issues. I am well aware that many returned scholars and non scholars who came back with postgrad had soft postings that had nothing to do the intent and spirit of NS. Somebody has to look into these as well. This is not a witch hunt of PT but to see how bad this is in within the system.
CPIB is not as independent as made up to be. It falls under PMO. Investigation, if any, will be 'guided'. The truth is too costly - politically and $$$$.
Had the usual Sunday chat with the usual pundits. They were caught out by this. Some have had responsibilities in these areas in the past and some presently. They think that it is isolated as many in the senior political positions are demanding of their sons for obvious political capital. They however agree that this stinks to high heaven. As far as they are concerned he was not a scholar and do not fall in any of the categories for such an exemption. Most of those given soft posting had specialist medical endorsement which are hard to refute. The sad part is that there is no indication that this will go any further. Might have to wait for parliament to sit.
Dr Pritam Singh should seize this golden opportunity in parliament to ascertain the truth even if TT becomes president.
you all just dont get it. They are a special breed of people. Untouchables. His dear granduncle, Tan Chin Tuan, disrupted from being in Singapore during World War 2 and went to look after the Singaporean bank assets, from the Bombay and Australian office. No sweat.
I agree. However, I think the soft posting can be plausibly explained away since he was 31 and a PhD by the time he came back to serve NS. There is precedence for this kind of posting, so you can't really say that he is the sole exception. The 12-year disruption for a MD-PhD program is the one that is astonishing and without parallel. His NS disruptiont is really really unusual. In fact, I won't be surprised if many of our male MOs whose specialization progress were held back by the resumption of their NS obligations are royally pissed by the amount of leeway given to Dr. Patrick Tan who didn't even finish his medical training. Had they known about his case, many would have used his example to push for a longer disruption. For example, would-be opthalmologists/orthopaedists can argue that they should be allowed to continue their specialization training because of the relevance of their specialty to the SAF.
Yes, it is not about soft postings but rather, has there ever been such a precedent of someone serving full-time NS as a researcher/scientist in an organisation outside Mindef? If there was a precedent, they can still get away with fudging the issue. If there has not been such a precedent, then it can be concluded with certainty that something is not right.
There are many NSFs who were assigned to DSO, especially the disruptees who graduated from science and engineering. One of my classmates, who was a combat medic before he disrupted, joined DSO to work on IT projects after he finished his disruption.
There is no point questioning TT why his son was assigned to DSO. You are merely pitching him a slow ball which he can easily hit. I do not see the point of asking TT about that. The 12-year deferment as well as the failure of his son to continue his training to qualify as a full-fledged doctor is much more difficult to explain away. That is his weak spot.
Equally interesting is the fact that PT managed to obtain disruption to study medicine at an institution that was then not yet approved by the authorities here.
The other question is his marks received for his A levels. Did he really only obtain 3As?
The other ground feel is that most people are unhappy over this affair due to the whitehorse classification. These people should not be left aside in any arguments. After all the facts are laid out, they should all point back to this classification and then to augment the issue with whether PT obtained greater than white classification.
The other question is his marks received for his A levels. Did he really only obtain 3As?
The other ground feel is that most people are unhappy over this affair due to the whitehorse classification. These people should not be left aside in any arguments. After all the facts are laid out, they should all point back to this classification and then to augment the issue with whether PT obtained greater than white classification.
why not post all these onto his facebook & generate a big public outcry / debate.
lets see if he still can be EP after this.
lets see if he still can be EP after this.
I have only one question. Why was he granted such a long disruption when his original reason for the disruption was changed?
While it does appear unfair that he "fulfilled" his NS responsiblities in a rather soft way, it is not uncommon. I know of friends who were born Singapore Citizens and some who became Singapore citizens after 28 and either were never called up, did 3 months of BMT in the Civil Defence or did soft postings like Clerks, storeman, etc. And they all were much fitter than me, a lowly infantry NCO from the then SISL (School of Infantry Section Leaders), at that age, when I had already chalked up 6 years in the reserve as a platoon sargeant. Fandi Ahmad, Singapore's best footballer for generations, was granted a medical discharge while doing his NS. The medical condition? A leg injury or deformity!!
That's life.........
While it does appear unfair that he "fulfilled" his NS responsiblities in a rather soft way, it is not uncommon. I know of friends who were born Singapore Citizens and some who became Singapore citizens after 28 and either were never called up, did 3 months of BMT in the Civil Defence or did soft postings like Clerks, storeman, etc. And they all were much fitter than me, a lowly infantry NCO from the then SISL (School of Infantry Section Leaders), at that age, when I had already chalked up 6 years in the reserve as a platoon sargeant. Fandi Ahmad, Singapore's best footballer for generations, was granted a medical discharge while doing his NS. The medical condition? A leg injury or deformity!!
That's life.........
to be fair....being a "white horse" per se is no big deal...n i say this as a "white horse" myself...in fact i did not even know i was a "white horse" until i actually saw my saf medical doc wif that 'illusive horse' stamped on the cover n tis was cuming to the v end of my 2.5 ys NS...in fact a mth r two before ord...went thru NS like any other tan,wong,goh,kumar,nair etc...wif the usual siong stuff, siaming n some fun times too when i went outstation...totally impartial treatment...sometimes v unfair at times as well, particularly during my BMT n when i was in OCS...
gaming NS is not the issue in TT/PT's case...what is the crticial issue is whether PT' case complied wif SAF policy at the material time...
gaming NS is not the issue in TT/PT's case...what is the crticial issue is whether PT' case complied wif SAF policy at the material time...
keen to know the nos. that r apple for apple wif TT/PT...including the fact that PT was n is no govt scholar...
What you say is worth jack shit to the parents who have lost their sons in NS or whose sons have become incapacitated for life or to those who careers have been held back because they were not White Horses.
I was once pressured to change my report on a recommendation of an infantry posting for a White Horse under my command. I was not the only one. Ditto for my fellow officers. So I know how the game is played.
If Tony Tan and his son have nothing to hide, they have nothing to fear. An open inquiry will only serve to bolster your point that there is nothing sinister in his son's posting and in his son's lengthy deferment. It will make all of us who think there is something not quite right to be nothing more than fools attempting to raise a ruckus over nothing.
fully agree wif u bro...excellent analysis...
if no proper detailed explanations forthcoming fm TT/PT...then i suggest a public go direct to yr MPs n keeping harping on this issue...particularly the males n the mumsy crowd....
if no proper detailed explanations forthcoming fm TT/PT...then i suggest a public go direct to yr MPs n keeping harping on this issue...particularly the males n the mumsy crowd....
Wa-lan-eh this forum seem to have many ocifers including samleong. Don't praypray ah.
Bro, just like race horses, there were (are?) several grades of White Horses.
It was no fun being saddled with White Horses especially the Grade 1 (and possibly 2) types. Grade 3 types (generally sons of unimportant MPs and below) were okay and was not so much of a deal. One had to be really "suay" to be saddled with the Grade 1 WHs.
The surface may look calm but there was always this pressure and furious paddling behind the scenes in valiant attempts to portray that everything was cool and that no one should make a fuss about the heavenly presence of a Grade 1 White Horse in their midst.
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