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This time, China is going to crash next month.

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hello LeongSam
i didn't know there are some many 'smart' members in your forum
i am lucky to be here to learn from their expert advice on
foreign policy , international relation , global finance and monetary system.
you should strongly urge sillypoore PM to join this forum or hire these 'experts'
this surely make sillypoore greater than americunt and china
 

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Warlord Chinese dont need to kill enemy himself

China shares land borders with 14 countries. Most are not allies or friends
Afghan - Islamic insurgencies
Bhutan - Backed by India
India - Border disputes
Kazak - Friendly
Kyrgyz - Just wary of Chinese influx, considered friendly
Laos - Considered friendly but trying to strike a balance between Thai, Vietnamese and Chinese influence.

Mongolia - Wary of China, trying to strike a balance between Russian and Chinese influence.
Myanmar - Tilting towards US
Nepal - Friendly
North Korea - Wild swings
Pakistan - Friendly
Russia - Wary of each other
Tajikistan - Friendly
Vietnam - Unfriendly
Another 4 shares maritime borders in close proximity with disputes - South Korea, Japan, Taiwan, Philippines

Just 6 of the 18 Chinese neighbours are truly friendly with China and they are the weaker economies. The rest have some disputes or truly wary of China in their hearts. China is indeed like a warlord in modern era.
 

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China still got room to maneuver using monetary policy. Cutting bank reserve ratio is their latest ace in the hole. In a trade war, weak currency will be in China's favour.
 

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hello LeongSam
i didn't know there are some many 'smart' members in your forum
i am lucky to be here to learn from their expert advice on
foreign policy , international relation , global finance and monetary system.
you should strongly urge sillypoore PM to join this forum or hire these 'experts'
this surely make sillypoore greater than americunt and china

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China still got room to maneuver using monetary policy. Cutting bank reserve ratio is their latest ace in the hole. In a trade war, weak currency will be in China's favour.

Yes indeed, weakening of own-self currency through the purchase of foreign treasuries is actually a sign of strength.
 

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the 'expert' said china crashing in a month's time woh !
:tongue: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :eek:
instead , i the bogus geologist say china going to collapse next month , literally
there would be a gigantic hole in that part of the earth.
 

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China still got room to maneuver using monetary policy. Cutting bank reserve ratio is their latest ace in the hole. In a trade war, weak currency will be in China's favour.

You are right, I read that China put up some defenses yesterday

China to Unleash $108 Billion in Reserve Cut
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...entral-bank-cuts-reserve-ratio-for-some-banks

Reserve ratio requirement is now near Lehman crisis level

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At 108b USD per 50 bp, China can unlock another 1-1.2 trillion USD before they hit 10% reserve ratio like the US and reach a crisis.

Let's see how much damage Trump can inflict upon them.

Lowering reserve ratio means a more vulnerable banking system. The Fed tapering and higher interest rates will give strength to US dollar causing some unwinding of offshore USD-denominated debts by Chinese enterprises.

Interestingly, if China offloads more US treasuries, there is less amno left for China and broader US rates will be higher (if T-bill prices drop) and makes it harder for these companies to refinance their US dollar debts.
 

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Bitcoin is struggling to stay afloat and market believes that Chinese startups have been accumulating bitcoins (and other virtual currencies); because they believe that over 80% of bitcoins have been mined, so Bitcoin will eventually be US$100,000 or US$1million. WTF!!! Bitcoin is now struggling to stay above US$6000 now, down from US$19000 in December 2017. Xiaomi's staggering US$1billion quarterly (not annual) loss and Mobike & OFO's cashflow problems are now rumored to the repercussion of bitcoin's demise. When Bitcoin sinks below US$5000, hell has a special place for startups that appeared to have a functional business but speculating bitcoins behind the scene.

Meituan Dianping, the world’s fourth-most valuable tech startup, revealed huge losses but also a scorching pace of growth when it filed for a much-anticipated Hong Kong initial public offering.

The company is turning to public markets to raise cash for a costly battle against some of China’s biggest internet companies, particularly as it ventures into new arenas from ride-hailing and finance to travel. Meituan, of which social media giant Tencent Holdings Ltd. owns more than a fifth, posted a net loss of 19 billion yuan ($2.9 billion) last year.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...9-billion-loss-after-filing-for-hong-kong-ipo

Startups rumored to clock huge losses because of cyptos's declines.
 

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Lowering reserve ratio means a more vulnerable banking system. The Fed tapering and higher interest rates will give strength to US dollar causing some unwinding of offshore USD-denominated debts by Chinese enterprises.

Interestingly, if China offloads more US treasuries, there is less amno left for China and broader US rates will be higher (if T-bill prices drop) and makes it harder for these companies to refinance their US dollar debts.

Smells like a crisis simmering in the pot. Trump got about 10 quarters left on his term to stir the pot up. Fed could be timing their rate hikes to inflict maximum damage on Chinese economy.
 

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Smells like a crisis simmering in the pot. Trump got about 10 quarters left on his term to stir the pot up. Fed could be timing their rate hikes to inflict maximum damage on Chinese economy.

19 more weeks to mid-term elections. China will unleash tariffs aimed at Republican strongholds.
 

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China's eerie ghost cities a 'symptom' of the country's economic troubles and housing bubble
The World
By Tracey Shelton, Christina Zhou and Ning Pan
Updated earlier today at 4:09am

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VIDEO: Why are there dozens of 'ghost cities' in China? (Photo: J Capital research group) (ABC News)
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Fancy villas, high-rise apartment blocks, lakes, parks and sprawling road networks: Ghost cities in China have it all. Just one crucial element is missing — the people.

Key points:
  • There may be as many as 64 million empty apartments in China
  • Many people buy the properties as an investment with no intention of ever moving in
  • Author says ghost cities show growth is driven by debt in China


Built for a population that never came, about 50 of these surreal sites lay desolate across the country. But still the construction continues.

These new cities are usually built in rural areas on the outskirts of existing cities.

Designed for populations numbering in the hundreds of thousands, the mass construction projects can include towering high-rise condominiums, huge shopping centres, city squares, street lights and replicas of cities in Europe and elsewhere.

PHOTO: The Yitian Eiffel is one of at least three replica Eiffel Towers in China. (Supplied: J Capital Research)


Dinny McMahon, author of China's Great Wall of Debt, explained the driving force behind the new construction projects, seemingly built for no-one.

"The phenomenon very much has been driven by the debt splurge that really kicked into gear after the global financial crisis," Mr McMahon said.

"Local governments around the country tried to juice and stimulate their economies by building more infrastructure and stimulating the property market."

This seemingly wasteful construction is carried out by both state-owned firms and private companies.

"Private property developers will build housing in places that end up being ghost cities because they believe in the ability of the Chinese property market to only go up and up and up," he said.​
'64 million empty apartments'
PHOTO: Many people have bought ghost city properties as an investment with no intention of ever moving in. (Supplied: J Capital Research)


China's housing vacancy rates, like many other potentially sensitive data, is shrouded in secrecy.

It is believed the number of empty apartments could have hit as many as 64.5 million — the number of properties that State Grid Corporation of China confirmed to the Beijing Morning Post as not having used electricity for six consecutive months in 2010. However, the state-owned company refuted that number to another Chinese media outlet just days later.

China's property boom

Buying an apartment is proving more expensive in China's main cities than Sydney or Melbourne, which is bad news for young people who are expected to own property before they marry.


But not all ghost cities stay ghost cities.

Ghost Cities of China author Wade Shepard — who has been documenting the existence of ghost cities since he first stumbled across a sprawling vacant metropolis in 2006 — sees these cities as simply in a phase between construction and inhabitability.

"A lot of these cities that got their start in 2000, 2003 — they are pretty much developed — if you go there now you will not know that they were a new city," Mr Shepard said, citing a number of examples including some of China's most economically viable cities.​
"If you look around, you will think this is a normal city and just assume this is the way it always was, not knowing that 10 years ago people were calling it a ghost city, 20 years ago it was just apartments and villages."

PHOTO: There are huge volumes of apartments being built in many Chinese cities, including Shanghai. (Supplied: J Capital Research)


Mr Shepard said the same kind of construction phase had been seen throughout global history when developed nations first expanded, just not on the same excessive scale as in China.

"They build more than anybody else, more extensively than anybody else, and they have more of an extensive master plan than pretty much any power, empire or kingdom in history ever had," Mr Shepard said.​
PHOTO: A ghost city in north-eastern China. (ABC News)


He hails China's new big city movement as a great success that gives backwater cities the potential to develop and expand.

Unlike many cities across the globe where populations constantly outgrow the infrastructure, leaving city planners to find new ways of dealing with traffic jams and demand for more construction space, China is usually one step ahead.

As one Chinese city mayor said, it was like buying a suit a few sizes too big for a growing boy.

'Locations where it was just never going to work'
PHOTO: Tim Murray said many of China's most prosperous cities have been created in this way including Shenzen. (Reuters: Bobby Yip)


Consultancy firm J Capital Research has made it its mission to document every ghost city in China, opening a website to show just how much empty property there is across the country.

Managing partner Tim Murray said many of China's most prosperous cities had been created in this way, including Shenzen, which borders Hong Kong and is now China's fourth largest city.

"That is an example of classic designed urbanisation going really well," he said.

Another example is the Pudong new area of Shanghai which was once a "swamp" across the river from the main city.

"I was working in Shanghai when that was still a dream and I used to look at it and think 'these guys are nuts just building so much and nobody is gonna use it'," he said.​
"I was wrong. It's just been so successful."

PHOTO: The Pudong new area of Shanghai was once a "swamp" across the river from the main city. (Supplied: J Capital Research)


But Mr Murray said these examples were the exception, not the rule.

"This has been replicated now so many times all around the country in locations where it was just never going to work; where it just wasn't a good idea," he said.

Industry 'jump-started the ghost city overnight'
PHOTO: Wade Shepard hails China's new big city movement as a great success. (Supplied: J Capital Research)


Mr McMahon said whether a ghost city became inhabited or not depended on its ability to create jobs and industrial growth.

PHOTO: Zhengdong in Zhengzhou in China's Henan Province. (Supplied: Wade Shepard)


In the case of Zhengdong in Zhengzhou, capital of Central China's Henan Province, Mr McMahon said the Government "threw tens of millions of dollars in incentives" to Foxconn, the Taiwanese maker of Apple's iPhones, so the company agreed to open a factory in the town.

That factory employed 200,000 people and it "jump-started the ghost city overnight," Mr McMahon, a former journalist for the Wall Street Journal in China, said.

"Most Chinese ghost cities don't have the resources — or they don't have the pull — of a major city like Zhengzhou does," he said.

"So the idea that these places are going to fill up is an absolute dream because more often than not they're built in places that migrants don't want to move to, largely because the opportunities aren't there."​
PHOTO: New regulations have now restricted the purchase of villas and apartments in Jing Jin New City to local residents. (Weibo: Herunde)


In Jing Jin New City, a luxury resort town 110 kilometres from Beijing, a high-speed railway line provides hope for a similar "jump-start".

There are currently only a few small shops, so most home owners only visit during the holidays or on weekends, Ms Fan, who works for Jing Jin New City Real Estate, said.

The rail line to Beijing is set to open next year, but new regulations have now restricted the purchase of villas and apartments in Jing Jin New City to local residents, shutting out residents of Beijing who Ms Fan said made up 70-80 per cent of buyers.

"It's very difficult to sell now," she said.

"There are customers who are interested, but they can't buy it."

'Building an incredible amount of waste'
PHOTO: Yujiapu Financial District in China's Tianjin Binhai New Area is inspired by Manhattan. (Supplied: Wade Shepard)


While other ghost cities might be largely empty, the apartments were mostly sold, Mr McMahon said.

Many people buy the property for investment with no intention of ever moving in, so supply significantly outweighed demand.

"And this speaks to the underlying problem of the Chinese economy … the importance of the property market and the extent to which it's actually a bubble propping up prices," he said.

PHOTO: A ghost mall in Zhengdong, China. (Supplied: Wade Shepard)


"It's incredibly difficult to measure and it's incredibly difficult to say if and when things might actually go pear-shaped because the Government has done an incredible job at managing prices and insuring the whole thing doesn't fall apart."​
Mr McMahon said he believed ghost cities were a "symptom of the problem" of how the Chinese economy worked, where growth was driven by debt.

"We're now in a position in the Chinese economy where so much debt has been accumulated in the interest of building an incredible amount of waste, whether it be empty housing, empty factories, infrastructure in cities where the local authorities can never repay it … that sort of model of economic growth cannot continue," he said.

"Everybody knows it. The officials in Beijing know it and have been trying very aggressively to both wean the economy off debt and try and come up with a new driver of growth."

PHOTO: Mr McMahon believes ghost cities are a "symptom of the problem" of how the Chinese economy works. (Supplied: J Capital Research)


Officials in Beijing talk a lot about needing to move up the value chain into more technologically advanced industries, and that innovation is the way of the future for the Chinese economy.

"But at the moment, Beijing is really between a rock and a hard place because the economic growth is dependent on the accumulation of debt used to build stuff and it's no longer sustainable without potentially something going very, very wrong."

Topics: offbeat, population-and-demographics, world-politics, urban-development-and-planning,travel-and-tourism, china, asia

First posted earlier today at 3:13am

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-06-27/china-ghost-cities-show-growth-driven-by-debt/9912186
 

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"Bitcoin is struggling to stay afloat and market believes that Chinese startups have been accumulating bitcoins (and other virtual currencies); because they believe that over 80% of bitcoins have been mined, so Bitcoin will eventually be US$100,000 or US$1million."

This article makes no sense at all.
1. What does Bitcoin have to do with China other than a few guys mining bitcoins aggressively in run-down mills?
2. 80% of bitcoins mined???? Does the write have any basic understanding of bitcoin?
 

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the market value of bitcoin is less than 130 billion now......how is that gonna affect china.....130 billion is a drop in the bucket compared to the 1.4 trillions of mbs and credit default swaps generated in US in one year during the housing bubble.
 

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"Bitcoin is struggling to stay afloat and market believes that Chinese startups have been accumulating bitcoins (and other virtual currencies); because they believe that over 80% of bitcoins have been mined, so Bitcoin will eventually be US$100,000 or US$1million."

This article makes no sense at all.
1. What does Bitcoin have to do with China other than a few guys mining bitcoins aggressively in run-down mills?
2. 80% of bitcoins mined???? Does the write have any basic understanding of bitcoin?

Hi,

Many chinese startups funded their running money-losing businesses by speculating in cyptos using their proxy companies. These startups assume bitcoin will trade on a long-term uptrend but bitcoin lost over US$200billion in valuation within half a year. If bitcoin crashes below US$5000, we will see more of such money-burning business models unwinding. It also explainswhy many Chinese startups are reporting unusually high losses in the past 2 quarters.
https://boingboing.net/2016/12/26/real-time-map-shows-which-coun.html

As for the 80% assumption, let's refer to the following article:
https://cointelegraph.com/news/80-o...d-only-42-million-coins-left-until-supply-cap
You might not agree with my numbers but assuming energy prices remain constant, the lowest cost of mining a bitcoin is also coincidentally US$5000 (energy costs). This article claims more than US$5000 but energy cost is lower in some countries. http://fortune.com/2018/03/16/bitcoin-mining-cost-profitability

This thread is not about bitcoin but bitcoin is just one of the possible black swans for China. Please kindly note that assumption in the article can only be proven right if we have the chance to gauge bitcoin's domino effect when it hit below US$5000.
 
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