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THINK before you vote Tan Jee Say in...
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I will think of the price increment in transportation, tariff and so on after the GE before i cast my vote.
Kan ni na bu lao chee bye :oIo::oIo::oIo::oIo::oIo:
Agree. Life is boring if we cannot talk conspiracy theory. As long as we don't accuse without facts I think it is fine.
Let me set this straight, this entry is not pro-TT. I never wrote this to say vote TT in. Be lucky there's four people to choose from and not one like Nathan's times ok?
But so just because people hate TT doesnt mean you vote TJS in as if he's the dream to a bright future. The atan1 blogger has good points. It's like choosing between a good watch, an old watch and another two good watches. Just because you hate the old watch(TT) doesn't mean you immediately buy the brand new golden watch--which may be a lousy watch or a fake one in the end!!
Remember OTC? He was also very much PAP--he launched the protest against the US Embassy for "interfering" during the 1980s Marxist conspiracy. Why did people still vote him in then? Huh? And look what he did--asked for the reserves and got a "56 man year" answer. Kicked out of Presidency, suffered and not given a state funeral. But he was PAP! and he was very much in the inner circle! So what kind of President did he become?
Vote TJS in. Haha , he'll then try so hard to put in his pro-SDP plan (which will never work as it is too neoliberal and the President doesnt just open the reserves like a tap) and by then he'll be as bad a Nathan.
But so just because people hate TT doesnt mean you vote TJS in as if he's the dream to a bright future. The atan1 blogger has good points. It's like choosing between a good watch, an old watch and another two good watches. Just because you hate the old watch(TT) doesn't mean you immediately buy the brand new golden watch--which may be a lousy watch or a fake one in the end!!
Remember OTC? He was also very much PAP--he launched the protest against the US Embassy for "interfering" during the 1980s Marxist conspiracy. Why did people still vote him in then? Huh? And look what he did--asked for the reserves and got a "56 man year" answer. Kicked out of Presidency, suffered and not given a state funeral. But he was PAP! and he was very much in the inner circle! So what kind of President did he become?
Vote TJS in. Haha , he'll then try so hard to put in his pro-SDP plan (which will never work as it is too neoliberal and the President doesnt just open the reserves like a tap) and by then he'll be as bad a Nathan.
Don't use big words if you don't know what they mean. You make a fool of yourself.
TJS's economic plan is not 'neo-liberal', which refers to an economic philosophy on the far right which believes in unfettered free markets and small government.
If anything the TJS plan is left-wing, towards the socialist end, requiring big government spending and investment in social causes like education and health care.
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kong simi lancheow wei,
If the conditions for EP candidacy is much relax, you see more candidates in every EP election.
TJS is fresh cut and people are waiting to support one one underdog. People know what dirty game PAP is playing with every election (GE or EP) and this time not going to cave in to dodgy party (the not so white).
If the conditions for EP candidacy is much relax, you see more candidates in every EP election.
TJS is fresh cut and people are waiting to support one one underdog. People know what dirty game PAP is playing with every election (GE or EP) and this time not going to cave in to dodgy party (the not so white).
Don't use big words if you don't know what they mean. You make a fool of yourself.
TJS's economic plan is not 'neo-liberal', which refers to an economic philosophy on the far right which believes in unfettered free markets and small government.
If anything the TJS plan is left-wing, towards the socialist end, requiring big government spending and investment in social causes like education and health care.
It is neoliberal--encouraging less active government intervention economy and more individualistic entrepreneurship.
What do you know about economics. That diagram is shit.
Makes sense. No need to vote TJS if you do not wish to vote TT.
Your view of TJS is based on the $60bn plan he has written in his capacity as a private citizen, which was often confused with the SDP promise manifesto by the MSM during GE2011. He has not explicitly stated the SDP Promise (can't because he is supposed to be independent) or the $60bn plan, which he cannot execute. He is in the opinion that more spending should be done in targeted sectors, but that would be in consultations with the PM and the cabinet. If he wishes to push his views through, I am neither against nor in favour of it. Compromises will have to be made by the president and the cabinet.
But there is a unique angle that makes TJS an attractive choice.
The president's veto power can be used to influence the appointment of PM, key appointments and budgets of stat boards and GLCs. A president loyal to the old regime can cause disruptions to a newly formed government, as can a new president be made to halt the entrenchment of economic power by a dominant government. Less army general in NOL, judge in SPH, familee in Singtel.
I think TJS is a credible candidate to wave the veto stick at the ruling government to prevent excesses and nepotism in all parts of the Singapore economy. In fact, it seems he is the most likely of 4 candidates to do so.
Worse come to worst, ministers and possibly the elite Admin Service will take a pay cut with an elected TJS taking the lead to do so. Makes sense to me.
(P.S. what is this neoliberal thing and why do you think it will not work?)
A Simple Guideline Here
As long as the potential president doesn't kowtow to everything PAP dishes out to him, I think that itself is good enough to convince those who wish to have a balanced government. But, by saying Nathan is good, are you telling me you are going to mimic Nathan, and so you are going to become the next Nathan who is another yes man of PAP ? TCB has to be a bit more aggressive or else he will be seen as eyeing the pro-PAP supporters' votes and pissing off some potential anti-PAP votes as well.
My vote is clear from day one when I said they were all ex-PAP candidates, I feel that they are just too close to the fascist regime. My answer was answered when TJS stood out and volunteer himself to campaign for the PE. Like the One who said before, "Those that are not against me, is with me." If an unknown man preaches the right thing what fault can we find against him even if he wasn't the Son of God. In this case, the democratic rights that we are all pursuing : equality, justice, freedom, etc.
As long as the potential president doesn't kowtow to everything PAP dishes out to him, I think that itself is good enough to convince those who wish to have a balanced government. But, by saying Nathan is good, are you telling me you are going to mimic Nathan, and so you are going to become the next Nathan who is another yes man of PAP ? TCB has to be a bit more aggressive or else he will be seen as eyeing the pro-PAP supporters' votes and pissing off some potential anti-PAP votes as well.
My vote is clear from day one when I said they were all ex-PAP candidates, I feel that they are just too close to the fascist regime. My answer was answered when TJS stood out and volunteer himself to campaign for the PE. Like the One who said before, "Those that are not against me, is with me." If an unknown man preaches the right thing what fault can we find against him even if he wasn't the Son of God. In this case, the democratic rights that we are all pursuing : equality, justice, freedom, etc.
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Steffy, I am confused. If you say TJS is neoliberal, that means he should be encouraging less government intervention. But his proposed spending money on healthcare and encourage start-ups, both of which are interventionist in nature. So based on his $60bn plan, why you say he is neoliberal? :*:
Might as well label him Marxist.
For crying out loud, TJS is asking the government to spend $60 bil on 5 key sectors, some of which may have to be funded by our reserves! And you call that 'less active government intervention'??
The TJS plan is classically left-wing, and in the US would be lambasted by the Republicans as socialist or even Marxist!
Don't show your stupidity here - you're just making a fool of yourself and discrediting all the other Pappy moles working here to derail TJS's campaign (not that they're any better though). It's one thing being ignorant - that can be remedied with some tutoring. It's quite another being so dense and intellectually as well as morally challenged that one refuses to concede even when confronted with evidence of one's bullshit.
As for the diagram, I assure you it's not shit; you are. That's a classic political spectrum chart studied by all students of economics and political science. Go bone up on your economics before you start spewing any more drivel here:
The Political Compass
Sheez! With people like you and cass888 around, it's little wonder the quality of posts here has deteriorated precipitously since the days of the Delphi forum.
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No confusion here. Steffychun is an ISD IB clown who's shown his/her illiterate hand in trying too hard to discredit TJS. I just can't for the hell of me figure out why the ISD employs such goons to do their dirty deed - even my fourteen-year-old son could have run a better covert operation!
I think if we try to dig the past of each and every candidate, there will somehow be cracks and holes for people to cast doubts and fault. I was shocked to hear of TCB's stance of sticking to his guts when he supported the detention of 1987 Marxists Conspirators based on the evidence dished out. However he has other qualities which people like about him too. After all, we are humans, all got past, and none is a saint. The difference lies in who is the least tainted or evil amongst them and has the best conditions to take the role more effectively in today's context. That's why many are split between TCB or TJS because each got his own qualities. After hearing the talks by the candidates, TJS seems to be more driven and will see to a closure of issues, while TCB although has principles but when dealing with issues that can directly conflict with equally powerful authority or above, he might lose steam. I will want someone who will check on the govt effectively but not to oppose every moves without sound reasons. Now I believe TJS fits the role although TCB was my first choice. Anyway...until the last piece of ballot paper is taken out and read, no one can say for sure who is the winner and is still everybody's race. My 2 cents. 
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if u see the bigger picture, TT doesnt have spine, so he leans on the incumbent gov, which also is all for big spending (except, the spending is in other's intoxicated soil, but not our own soil). so, the incumbent's brand is seen superficially as neo-libertarian, but actually socialist amongst themselves, by means of; ridiculously astronomical salaries & bonuses.Don't use big words if you don't know what they mean. You make a fool of yourself.
TJS's economic plan is not 'neo-liberal', which refers to an economic philosophy on the far right which believes in unfettered free markets and small government.
If anything the TJS plan is left-wing, towards the socialist end, requiring big government spending and investment in social causes like education and health care.
that being the case, there needs to bring back a balance... moderate that monstrous & ridiculous "investment" of the incumbent, and re-distribute to the people that helped give us the GDP they brag so much about.
the business of the gov is not to do business, it is to serve the people's interest 1st!
Why Tan Jee Say Must Be Handed A Strategic Victory
While I believe TCB would make a better "unifying" president than TJS, for the sake of democracy in Singapore and the emergence of a future two-party system, it is best that opposition voters seriously consider handing Tan Jee Say a strategic victory this weekend.
Those who want to see the opposition advance further and have a chance to form a future government by kicking the PAP out within the next 10-15 years, should seriously consider uniting behind Tan Jee Say and investing in a TJS victory. That small but expected percentage that will go to Tan Kin Lian may well be the decisive percentage in deciding the winner in what can be expected to be a very narrow contest with a win for any candidate to be, I believe, no more than a single digit percentage over the runner-up.
The problem with the various opposition parties is that nobody in their right mind will believe that any individual opposition party will ever be strong enough to form the next Government nor can they or will they voluntarily unite themselves under a coalition umbrella for the common and long-term good of Singaporeans.
This is where an ex-President can play a strategic role in unifying the opposition parties in Singapore. I believe TJS will be amenable to the idea and can be persuaded to play this important role for the greater good of Singapore.
An ex-President would be just that person who will have that clout and "soft power" to knock sense into the various and disparate opposition parties. He will have that moral authority to advise or lead and unite them under a coalition of opposition umbrella. He will have that stature to do what Anwar Ibrahim has done in uniting the opposition forces in Malaysia into an opposition Pakatan Rakyat coalition.
If he performs well in his Presidency and I believe he will, TJS will be just that man who will be able to convince Singaporeans that a coalition of the opposition parties that he leads or advises can take on the role of the Government of Singapore.
While I believe TCB would make a better "unifying" president than TJS, for the sake of democracy in Singapore and the emergence of a future two-party system, it is best that opposition voters seriously consider handing Tan Jee Say a strategic victory this weekend.
Those who want to see the opposition advance further and have a chance to form a future government by kicking the PAP out within the next 10-15 years, should seriously consider uniting behind Tan Jee Say and investing in a TJS victory. That small but expected percentage that will go to Tan Kin Lian may well be the decisive percentage in deciding the winner in what can be expected to be a very narrow contest with a win for any candidate to be, I believe, no more than a single digit percentage over the runner-up.
The problem with the various opposition parties is that nobody in their right mind will believe that any individual opposition party will ever be strong enough to form the next Government nor can they or will they voluntarily unite themselves under a coalition umbrella for the common and long-term good of Singaporeans.
This is where an ex-President can play a strategic role in unifying the opposition parties in Singapore. I believe TJS will be amenable to the idea and can be persuaded to play this important role for the greater good of Singapore.
An ex-President would be just that person who will have that clout and "soft power" to knock sense into the various and disparate opposition parties. He will have that moral authority to advise or lead and unite them under a coalition of opposition umbrella. He will have that stature to do what Anwar Ibrahim has done in uniting the opposition forces in Malaysia into an opposition Pakatan Rakyat coalition.
If he performs well in his Presidency and I believe he will, TJS will be just that man who will be able to convince Singaporeans that a coalition of the opposition parties that he leads or advises can take on the role of the Government of Singapore.
Serve the people not your self-interest and ego. :oIo:
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Exposed. You are TT supporter. You are now desperate, bosses breathing down your dog ears? Can see increased activity promoting TT in other threads now.
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